The Unpardonable Sin

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Greetings If I may​

Eternal sins, Unforgivable sins, Unpardonable sins, or Ultimate sins are that are not forgiven by God
What counts as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
The unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Blasphemy includes ridicule and attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.

Matthew 12:30-33 (NKJV) He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Matthew 12: 31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, will not be forgiven him or her, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12: 33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.

The Unpardonable Sin

Trampoline under foot, with the blood of Christ (Hebrews 10:28-31)

Romans 1:28-32 (NKJV) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; and you have persevered, have patience, and have labored for My name's sake and have not become weary.
Rev 2:2-3

He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns in the lake of fire, which is the second death."
Rev 21:7-8

 

lrs68

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Greetings If I may​

Eternal sins, Unforgivable sins, Unpardonable sins, or Ultimate sins are that are not forgiven by God
What counts as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
The unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Blasphemy includes ridicule and attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.


Matthew 12:30-33 (NKJV) He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Matthew 12: 31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, will not be forgiven him or her, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12: 33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.


The Unpardonable Sin

Trampoline under foot, with the blood of Christ (Hebrews 10:28-31)

Romans 1:28-32 (NKJV) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; and you have persevered, have patience, and have labored for My name's sake and have not become weary.
Rev 2:2-3


He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns in the lake of fire, which is the second death."
Rev 21:7-8


Amen!

Don't be shocked if the Pharisees of this Site try to claim the unpardonable sin is disbelief in Jesus or God. We go directly by the specific words of Jesus when discussing this topic. We never go by a dead man's doctrine.

Excellent subject matter (y)
 

NotmebutHim

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The "unpardonable sin" that Jesus referred to was the Pharisees' attribution of the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan. Whether Jesus said that they were already eternally condemned for that sin or if they were merely in danger of condemnation if they continued, I don't know.

The Scripture also says that no one who has the Spirit can say that Jesus is cursed and no one can say Jesus is Lord without the Spirit.

(cf. 1 Corinthians 12:3)
 
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The context of blasphemy against the holy spirit is a heart that is so hardened and darkened by sin that it embraces evil as good and good as evil. That is what the pharisees were doing when Christ uttered those words. How can such a person see the error of their ways to repent and be forgiven if the light in them is darkness?

The light of the body is the eye. Therefore, if your eye is one, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. Therefore, if the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness. Matthew 6:22-23
 

GWH

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Greetings If I may​

Eternal sins, Unforgivable sins, Unpardonable sins, or Ultimate sins are that are not forgiven by God
What counts as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
The unpardonable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Blasphemy includes ridicule and attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.


Matthew 12:30-33 (NKJV) He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Matthew 12: 31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, will not be forgiven him or her, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12: 33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.


The Unpardonable Sin

Trampoline under foot, with the blood of Christ (Hebrews 10:28-31)

Romans 1:28-32 (NKJV) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; and you have persevered, have patience, and have labored for My name's sake and have not become weary.
Rev 2:2-3


He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns in the lake of fire, which is the second death."
Rev 21:7-8


Hebrews 6:4-6 indicates that the unforgiveable sin is for a Christian to repudiate or repent of having saving faith and thereby kick out the Holy Spirit, because the person who would insult God's Spirit after having experienced His goodness and other blessings would never have a reason to repent genuinely. This sin is called apostasy.
 

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The unpardonable sin in scripture, was unsaved people-- the Pharisees and Scribes, attributing Jesus' work to the work of the devil.

It doesn't have application to a believer in scripture.
 

wattie

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Amen!

Don't be shocked if the Pharisees of this Site try to claim the unpardonable sin is disbelief in Jesus or God. We go directly by the specific words of Jesus when discussing this topic. We never go by a dead man's doctrine.

Excellent subject matter (y)
The Pharisees and scribes were rejecting who Jesus is to begin with. So it was disbelief in Jesus. Attributing His work to the devil. In scripture, it isn't something a believer is doing.
 
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Greetings
this is comparing scriptures with scriptures
See 1 Corinthians 2:13-14


Christ Remember
Psalms 74:2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.


Psalms 74:18-23 Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name. O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor forever. Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty. O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name. Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily. Forget not the voice of thine enemies: the tumult of those that rise up against thee increaseth continually.

Psalms 137:7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

Deut 7:17-19 If thou shalt say in thine heart, These nations are more than I; how can I dispossess them? Thou shalt not be afraid of them: but shalt well remember what the LORD thy God did unto Pharaoh and unto all Egypt; The great temptations which thine eyes saw, and the signs, and the wonders, and the mighty hand, and the stretched out arm, whereby the LORD thy God brought thee out: so shall the LORD thy God do unto all the people of whom thou art afraid.

Psalms 109:14-16 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth. Because of that he remembered not to show mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.

Deut 8:2 Remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

Deut 9:7 Remember, and forget not, how thou provoked the LORD thy God to wrath in the wilderness: from the day that thou didst depart out of the land of Egypt until ye came unto this place, ye have been rebellious against the LORD.

Deut 9:27 Remember thy servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; look not unto the stubbornness of this people, nor to their wickedness, nor to their sin:

Deut 15:15 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing today.

Jer 12:15 And it shall come to pass, after that, I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.

Eccl 11:8 But if a man lives many years, and rejoices in them all, yet let him remember the days of darkness, for there shall be many. All that cometh is vanity.

Deut 29:20-22 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven. And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law: So that the generation to come of your children that shall rise up after you, and the stranger that shall come from a far land, shall say when they see the plagues of that land and the sicknesses which the LORD hath laid upon it

Zech 10:9 And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries, and they shall live with their children, and turn again.

Mal 4:4-6 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Psalms 22:27-28 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations.

The Shepherds over its people. Ezek 34:7-10 “Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: As surely as I live, says the Sovereign Lord, you abandoned my flock and left them to be attacked by every wild animal. And though you were my shepherds, you didn’t search for my sheep when they were lost. You took care of yourselves and left the sheep to starve.
Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord.
This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I now consider these shepherds my enemies, and I will hold them responsible for what has happened to my flock. I will take away their right to feed the flock, and I will stop them from feeding themselves. I will rescue my flock from their mouths; the sheep will no longer be their prey.
The Deeds of the People Eccl 8:9-17 All this I have seen, and applied my heart to every work that is done under the sun: There is a time in which one man rules over another to his own hurt.
Then I saw the wicked buried, who had come and gone from the place of holiness, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so done. This also is vanity.
Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
Though a sinner does evil a hundred times, and his days are prolonged, yet I surely know that it will be well with those who fear God, who fear before Him.
But it will not be well with the wicked; nor will he prolong his days, which are as a shadow, because he does not fear before God.
There is a vanity which occurs on earth, that there are just men to whom it happens according to the work of the wicked; again, there are wicked men to whom it happens according to the work of the righteous. I said that this also is vanity.
So I commended enjoyment because a man has nothing better under the sun than to eat, drink, and be merry; for this will remain with him in his labor all the days of his life which God gives him under the sun.
When I applied my heart to know wisdom and to see the business that is done on earth, even though one sees no sleep day or night, then I saw all the work of God, which a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun. For though a man labors to discover it, yet he will not find it; moreover, though a wise man attempts to know it, he will not be able to find it.


2 Sam 4:11 How much more, when wicked men have killed a righteous person in his own house on his bed? Therefore, shall I not now require his blood at your hand and remove you from the earth?"
Hosea 12:2 "The Lord also brings a charge against Judah, And will punish Jacob according to his ways; According to his deeds He will recompense him.


Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live
 
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Hebrews 13:8 Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
 

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The Pharisees and scribes were rejecting who Jesus is to begin with. So it was disbelief in Jesus. Attributing His work to the devil. In scripture, it isn't something a believer is doing.
The problem is that Jesus did not say blaspheming was because they didn't believe in Him. He said it's saying He performed miracles by Satan so that was saying the Holy Spirit of God was Satan.

You adding about disbelief IS NOT what Jesus said. It's what you say. I follow what Jesus said.
 

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The problem is that Jesus did not say blaspheming was because they didn't believe in Him. He said it's saying He performed miracles by Satan so that was saying the Holy Spirit of God was Satan.

You adding about disbelief IS NOT what Jesus said. It's what you say. I follow what Jesus said.
Well, attributing Jesus's work to the devil is disbelief.. but is true disbelief isnt exactly what He said.

The point I'm making is, this situation didn't involve believers...but Pharisees and Scribes. So the application of it isn't to believers.

Many think the unpardonable sin is something a believer can do..but that has nothing to do with the passage itself.
 

lrs68

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Well, attributing Jesus's work to the devil is disbelief.. but is true disbelief isnt exactly what He said.

The point I'm making is, this situation didn't involve believers...but Pharisees and Scribes. So the application of it isn't to believers.

Many think the unpardonable sin is something a believer can do..but that has nothing to do with the passage itself.
I completely understand what you are saying and in all complete honesty am not opposing your view at all.

I am only pointing out that in these examples we have in 3 of the Gospels Jesus is very clear about that this, Blaspheming the Holy Spirit of God, is the one sin that should we commit there's literally no forgiveness for.

Even disbelief can change and become belief.

But Blaspheming the Holy Spirit of God is never ever going to be forgiven.
 

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The context of blasphemy against the holy spirit is a heart that is so hardened and darkened by sin that it embraces evil as good and good as evil. That is what the pharisees were doing when Christ uttered those words. How can such a person see the error of their ways to repent and be forgiven if the light in them is darkness?

The light of the body is the eye. Therefore, if your eye is one, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. Therefore, if the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness. Matthew 6:22-23

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter.
 

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Mark 3:28-29 / Matthew 12:31-32 / Luke 12:10 Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.
 
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God didn't send his on to die on a cross and then put a snare in front of his children that will send them to hell for doing something they don't even really know what it is.
 

GWH

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Hebrews 6:4-6 indicates that the unforgiveable sin is for a Christian to repudiate or repent of having saving faith and thereby kick out the Holy Spirit, because the person who would insult God's Spirit after having experienced His goodness and other blessings would never have a reason to repent genuinely. This sin is called apostasy.
Again, when you hear "blasphemy/unpardonable sin", remember "apostasy/HB 6:4-6".
 
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The problem is that Jesus did not say blaspheming was because they didn't believe in Him. He said it's saying He performed miracles by Satan so that was saying the Holy Spirit of God was Satan.

You adding about disbelief IS NOT what Jesus said. It's what you say. I follow what Jesus said.


What can happen if we reject the Holy Spirit or what happens when you receive the Holy Spirit?
The Holy Spirit lives a true life, he lives in the very essence of the believer's heart, he is like a burning storm, he opens the mind to clear your mind from the world you made for yourselves, meaning the mind must be clear, but because your mind is carnal, he must first get your attention, you would fight your thought, by refusing entry into your thoughts, but since he knows every thought, he feels why and knows, it could pleasant or it could horrifying how to get in and you wouldn’t know it but by the love he works in the life of a believer to you see, all believer will experience darkness first, you’ll see the darkness of your hands because you will refuse to let he enter your life to save you from what you cannot see at the moment, everyone fears the unknown, he will not show himself to you, you could not bear yourself from all his majesty it is to great to look upon him, see

Matthew 5: 8. For a carnal mind cannot understand, to see. the carnal mind must be clear from all sin and evil thoughts, resisting only leads to condensation a feeling drowning of heavy guilt, the body burning with sweat, your heart will be very heavy, but you won’t die for the Holy Spirit maintain the life of a believe, this is being baptized by fire

What unbelief will do grieves the Holy Spirit you bring great distress upon you by denying the deity of the Trinity, by not confessing the name of Christ or the word in which it is written

Every sin is forgiving, but don’t be fooled, you can still lose your salvation by rejecting Your faith


sees 2 Thess. 2: 1-2 the truth within you, then Satan comes in, if you don’t know it say

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Key Word the temple of God who is the temple of God, not a church building but who?
for Jews is synagogues for Satan is already in their synagogues See Matthew 24: 16