The US Joins WW3

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studier

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Yes, I felt it was imminent just as others felt it wasn't. There is nothing "failed" about having an opinion.

My main objection to most bible teachers on eschatology is that there is no way to verify or test their interpretation.

I feel that my approach is much more scientific, just like Thomas Edison once said, he didn't fail 99 times, rather he found 99 ways that didn't work. These aren't simply stabs in the dark they are based on biblical interpretation and so I can go back and see where that interpretation was off.

The spirit if prophecy is not about predicting the future, it is about the testimony of Jesus who is the incarnated word of God. What I am doing is studying the word of God, what others are doing is telling people they can't study the word of God.
Your "opinion" failed. Agree?
Your interpretation failed. Agree?
Your approach to theology, especially eschatology, is sadly not unusual.
You're predicting the future, frequently.
 

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Your "opinion" failed. Agree?
Your interpretation failed. Agree?
Your approach to theology, especially eschatology, is sadly not unusual.
You're predicting the future, frequently.
I don't agree with your claim that I am predicting the future. My interpretation is that the Bible is telling us the end from the beginning. I use that to check my interpretation. For example I used to think that Ruth depicts the rapture of the Gentile church before the tribulation. No more, I now think she represents the left behind saints. I have been able to adjust and tweek my understanding of many scriptures, but you can't do that with most bible teachers of eschatology. That is bogus.

I learn how to interpret scriptures from Jesus. He is the one who said that Moses saying that God is the God of Abraham proves there is a resurrection.

He is also the one that asked why the religious leaders say that the Messiah is the son of David when David himself calls the Messiah Lord. That exposed them. They were accusing Jesus of Blasphemy for saying that He and the Father were one. He was pointing out that if the Messiah is not God incarnate then how do you explain David calling Him Lord?

This is how Jesus read the Bible, it is more difficult, it is deeper, and of course it is very likely you will get it wrong. However, the safeguard is not to say "don't do that". Jesus will rebuke you if you don't do that. Not doing that is what got the Sadducees rejecting the resurrection and it got the Pharisees saying Jesus was blaspheming. No the safeguard is that no verse is of its own interpretation. No interpretation can contradict a bible verse. That is why I reject the interpretation that "no one knows the day or the hour" means that no one can ever know the day or the hour. That interpretation contradicts other Bible verses where God will do nothing without telling His prophets, and where Jesus rebukes those in Sardis saying they need to return to the way they first studied the Bible or If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

I do agree that no one Bible verse tells you the day and hour and that no one book of the Bible tells you the day and hour. However, Jesus said nothing about the year or season. You can get those from individual verses and Books of the Bible. I also agree that the Lord is warning us. Satan has tried to change the calendar, and so you can be right in your bible interpretation and still be wrong because the calendar has been changed. Finally, I saw a movie about a dog named Hachi and I thought it was the perfect illustration of what the watchmen are in waiting for the Lord's return.
 

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I don't agree with your claim that I am predicting the future. My interpretation is that the Bible is telling us the end from the beginning. I use that to check my interpretation. For example I used to think that Ruth depicts the rapture of the Gentile church before the tribulation. No more, I now think she represents the left behind saints. I have been able to adjust and tweek my understanding of many scriptures, but you can't do that with most bible teachers of eschatology. That is bogus.

I learn how to interpret scriptures from Jesus. He is the one who said that Moses saying that God is the God of Abraham proves there is a resurrection.

He is also the one that asked why the religious leaders say that the Messiah is the son of David when David himself calls the Messiah Lord. That exposed them. They were accusing Jesus of Blasphemy for saying that He and the Father were one. He was pointing out that if the Messiah is not God incarnate then how do you explain David calling Him Lord?

This is how Jesus read the Bible, it is more difficult, it is deeper, and of course it is very likely you will get it wrong. However, the safeguard is not to say "don't do that". Jesus will rebuke you if you don't do that. Not doing that is what got the Sadducees rejecting the resurrection and it got the Pharisees saying Jesus was blaspheming. No the safeguard is that no verse is of its own interpretation. No interpretation can contradict a bible verse. That is why I reject the interpretation that "no one knows the day or the hour" means that no one can ever know the day or the hour. That interpretation contradicts other Bible verses where God will do nothing without telling His prophets, and where Jesus rebukes those in Sardis saying they need to return to the way they first studied the Bible or If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Of course you don't. I knew you didn't. The rapture prediction becomes the Pope's death.
Jesus is teaching you eschatological forecasts by trial and error while you reject the day and hour statement.
You don't think God will rapture us next week without telling you first? How do we trust you when you err and casually alter your interpretation or opinion or whatever it is you're posting and not admitting was an error and explaining how you erred?
 

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Of course you don't. I knew you didn't. The rapture prediction becomes the Pope's death.
Jesus is teaching you eschatological forecasts by trial and error while you reject the day and hour statement.
You don't think God will rapture us next week without telling you first? How do we trust you when you err and casually alter your interpretation or opinion or whatever it is you're posting and not admitting was an error and explaining how you erred?
This is what amazes me. There are many, many people who teach on eschatology who I disagree with. They all have a variety of interpretations, I'll listen to a point. I don't care if they are contrary to me, I am simply looking to see if they shed light on the word of God. But I don't feel any need to constantly try and get them to stop teaching. After all, I realize that no one has solved this riddle, so it would be arrogant of me to think I have. And yet, for some reason, people like yourself think you have some kind of mission to tell others like myself to stop. I am not aware of any such mission in the New Testament and on the contrary I see many warnings against such an attitude.

Also, I do not reject any verse of the Bible including the verse on not knowing the day and hour. What I reject is any interpretation of that verse that contradicts other verses. I hold every verse in the Bible up equally. So if one verse tells Sardis that they need to repent or else they will not know at what hour the Lord will come, that is every bit incontrovertible as "no one knows the day and hour". Both have to be true and both can be. Every single time that Jesus said "no one knows the day and hour" referring to the rapture He concluded that we must therefore watch. We are given three analogies to help us understand. You do not know the day and hour a thief will strike, that is why we hire watchmen whose job it is to watch. You do not know the day and hour that you should harvest your crops, that is why the farmer must watch daily. And you do not know the day and hour your wife will give birth to the baby, again, that is why we must watch.

However, even though we don't know the day and hour there are signs we will see. For example, a thief may put some duct tape on a door so they can open it. If you saw that while doing your rounds you would know the thief was coming that night. A farmer can see that the crop is ripe and so know when it is time to reap. When your wife's water breaks you know it is time for the baby to be born.

We have been given signs to look for and anyone who is very serious about their job as a watchman would know what all those signs are. But because of teaching to not talk about this most Christians have no idea what the signs are. This doctrine is harmful, it is irresponsible, and it contradicts the Lord's charge to us to watch.

For example, I was a HS teacher and every year there was a state wide exam my kids had to take. I needed to predict where they were going to have trouble and what I needed to spend more time on to help them the most. I created an algorithm based on their test scores during the year that was highly correlated to how they would do on the exam. As a result I was able to accurately predict each kids score on the exam before hand. This was very helpful to the kids, but it was also helpful to my teaching because during the summer I was able to see how to tweek my teaching to the whole class to improve our performance.
 

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For example, I was a HS teacher and every year there was a state wide exam my kids had to take. I needed to predict where they were going to have trouble and what I needed to spend more time on to help them the most. I created an algorithm based on their test scores during the year that was highly correlated to how they would do on the exam. As a result I was able to accurately predict each kids score on the exam before hand. This was very helpful to the kids, but it was also helpful to my teaching because during the summer I was able to see how to tweek my teaching to the whole class to improve our performance.
I ran out of time on this point -- so I will continue it here.

This approach helped me improve my teaching. Every single year I mad adjustments and that is how my students improved every year. Every single teacher in NYC was required to use data to inform their teaching, but no one else did what I did. When I tried to explain it to others their eyes glazed over and when I went to Professional development on the use of data I learned even the instructors were clueless about correlation coefficients.

But my kids went from the bottom 25% of NYC which is truly abysmal to the top 6% which put them on par with HS's rated in the top 100 HS in the country.

I consider all those teachers who were not using this approach as "bad teachers". They were not using data to inform their teaching, they were not confirming whether or not their approach was optimal, they simply assumed they were right and if the kids failed it was the kids fault. That is, in my opinion, a bad teacher.
 

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We went out to a very nice banquet, 5,000 people were there supporting a ministry that helps women who are pregnant and don't want to get an abortion.
The Gideons do good work. I remember receiving a little new testament waaaaaaaay back around second grade.
 

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The Gideons do good work. I remember receiving a little new testament waaaaaaaay back around second grade.
This event was a different ministry from the Gideons, however, six people sitting at my table were also Gideon's (out of ten) so there is a lot of overlap.
 

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This event was a different ministry from the Gideons, however, six people sitting at my table were also Gideon's (out of ten) so there is a lot of overlap.
They do tend to flock together.
 

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We went out to a very nice banquet, 5,000 people were there supporting a ministry that helps women who are pregnant and don't want to get an abortion.
Wow. What venue has such the capacity to cater to 5,000 diners?!
 

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Wow. What venue has such the capacity to cater to 5,000 diners?!
It was a Convention center in Sioux Falls. There were 500 tables and they were sold out. (That was what I was told but I did not try to count). The national convention for the Gideon's usually has 3,000 so this was a very big gathering.

https://www.facebook.com/AlphaCenter3500/
 

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12 loaves and five fish does come to mind but (calculating) that would require 500 at 10 setting each, or 100 tables set for 50...:unsure:
We just have them sit down in the pasture. Anyone desiring to help clear some land can have seconds.
 

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Right now Russia, China, Iran, NATO, the US, and Israel are all in a hot war. The only reason it seems far away is because of drones and AI. That is essentially all the major nuclear powers. True, Pakistan and India are not in the war yet, but that will come.

⚡ALERT! NEW MAJOR WW3 FRONT OPENS! TOP RUSSIAN GENERAL ASSASSINATED! PEACE TALKS COLLAPSING?!

He does a good job of summarizing what is happening between India and Pakistan in the latest skirmish.

I would think that the US and Israel would be very happy if a new front opens between Pakistan and India.
 

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Drone's APOCALYPTIC first look at Iran port after explosion as Russian planes help
 

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⚡ALERT! HISTORICAL BLACKOUT! WORLD ON BRINK OF TOTAL WAR! SHELVES EMPTYING! PAKISTAN "48 HOURS"


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"If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it - Mark Twain"
 

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"Prepare yourself for when the Lights go out"

⚡ALERT: EXPLOSIONS THROUGHOUT IRAN! MAY 9TH SHTF?! UK PREPS NUCLEAR BUNKERS! YEMEN MOBILIZING!

 

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A new front opens up in WW3


⚡BREAKING NEWS: NUCLEAR STANDOFF IN KASHMIR, US LOSES 3X F-18s! TRUMP LIES, US SENDS B-52S TO DG!