The Way of Salvation and Eternal Life

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Beloved of God who believe in Christ and keep His words, grace to you and peace from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I write to you concerning the most essential matter of life, the way to remain saved and possess eternal life. There is but one way, one truth, and one life, and it is through our Lord Jesus Christ. As He Himself said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6, NKJV).

Salvation is not by works, so that no one may boast, but by grace through faith. We are saved when we believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross, trusting Him as the Son of God who bore our sins, died in our place, and rose again for our justification. The apostle Paul said, “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9, NKJV).

Those who are saved are not those who simply call themselves believers, but those who have genuinely received Christ into their hearts. They are those who have been born again, born of the Spirit, and sealed with the Holy Spirit. Just as Jesus told Nicodemus, “Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3, NKJV). The evidence of being born again is a transformed life—one that turns away from sin and follows Christ.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16, NKJV). The promise is clear: eternal life belongs to those who believe in Jesus Christ, who abide in His word, and who live according to His commands.

You who are saved, hold fast to the faith. Do not depart from the path that leads to life. The Scripture says, “But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13, NKJV). Your salvation is secure, but only as long as you remain in Him, for “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6, NKJV).

The Danger of Not Keeping God’s Word

But woe to those who hear the word and do not keep it, for they will not inherit eternal life. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21, NKJV).

You must understand, beloved, that salvation is not merely a verbal profession; it is a life surrendered to God, lived out in obedience to His Word. Many in this world hear the gospel, and many even profess to know God, but they do not do His will. This is the danger of a heart that does not submit to His Word.

Consider the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:3-9). Some hear the word of God, but their hearts are like the path where the seed is sown and quickly snatched away by the enemy. These are those who hear the gospel but do not hold fast to it, and so they are lost.

Others receive the word with joy, but when trials and tribulations arise, they fall away. These are those who do not endure to the end. They may seem to believe for a time, but when faced with difficulty, they abandon the faith, showing that their belief was not deep-rooted.

Then, there are those whose hearts are like the thorny ground. They receive the word, but the cares of this life, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful (Mark 4:18-19). These are the people whose love for the world exceeds their love for God, and as a result, they bear no fruit of righteousness.

Finally, there are those whose hearts are like good soil, those who hear the word, understand it, and keep it, and bear fruit in their lives (Matthew 13:23). These are the ones who will inherit eternal life, for they keep the word of Christ and endure in it.

As Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15, NKJV). The word of God is clear: to be saved, one must not only hear but obey His word. Those who do not keep God’s word, whose hearts are hardened, whose lives are unfruitful, will not inherit the kingdom of God. Their end will be like the foolish man who built his house on the sand. When the storms came, it fell, and great was its fall (Matthew 7:26-27).

The Lord also warned us with another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way” (Matthew 13:24-25, NKJV). The tares represent those who are among the true believers but are not genuinely saved. They look like believers on the outside, but they do not bear the fruit of the kingdom of God. In the end, the angels will gather the tares and cast them into the fire. So, it is with those who do not keep God’s word.

Let this be clear: eternal life is promised to those who remain in Christ, who live by His word, and who endure to the end. “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me” (John 14:21, NKJV). The love of God is not a feeling or a mere verbal declaration; it is seen in action, in obedience to His word.

To Keep God’s Word and Inherit Eternal Life

Therefore, beloved, let us not be hearers only, deceiving ourselves, but doers of the word (James 1:22). Let us continue in the faith, steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that our labor is not in vain in Him (1 Corinthians 15:58). Remember, Jesus has promised eternal life to those who remain faithful to His word, and He is able to keep us from stumbling and present us faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy (Jude 24).

Be encouraged, be diligent, and continue to press forward toward the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:14). For it is written, “And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life” (1 John 2:25, NKJV). Keep His word, endure in faith, and you will inherit the eternal life He has promised.

Grace and peace be with you.
 
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Beloved of God who believe in Christ and keep His words, grace to you and peace from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I write to you concerning the most essential matter of life, the way to remain saved and possess eternal life. There is but one way, one truth, and one life, and it is through our Lord Jesus Christ. As He Himself said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6, NKJV).

Salvation is not by works, so that no one may boast, but by grace through faith. We are saved when we believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross, trusting Him as the Son of God who bore our sins, died in our place, and rose again for our justification. The apostle Paul said, “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9, NKJV).

Those who are saved are not those who simply call themselves believers, but those who have genuinely received Christ into their hearts. They are those who have been born again, born of the Spirit, and sealed with the Holy Spirit. Just as Jesus told Nicodemus, “Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3, NKJV). The evidence of being born again is a transformed life—one that turns away from sin and follows Christ.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16, NKJV). The promise is clear: eternal life belongs to those who believe in Jesus Christ, who abide in His word, and who live according to His commands.

You who are saved, hold fast to the faith. Do not depart from the path that leads to life. The Scripture says, “But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13, NKJV). Your salvation is secure, but only as long as you remain in Him, for “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6, NKJV).

The Danger of Not Keeping God’s Word

But woe to those who hear the word and do not keep it, for they will not inherit eternal life. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21, NKJV).

You must understand, beloved, that salvation is not merely a verbal profession; it is a life surrendered to God, lived out in obedience to His Word. Many in this world hear the gospel, and many even profess to know God, but they do not do His will. This is the danger of a heart that does not submit to His Word.

Consider the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:3-9). Some hear the word of God, but their hearts are like the path where the seed is sown and quickly snatched away by the enemy. These are those who hear the gospel but do not hold fast to it, and so they are lost.

Others receive the word with joy, but when trials and tribulations arise, they fall away. These are those who do not endure to the end. They may seem to believe for a time, but when faced with difficulty, they abandon the faith, showing that their belief was not deep-rooted.

Then, there are those whose hearts are like the thorny ground. They receive the word, but the cares of this life, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful (Mark 4:18-19). These are the people whose love for the world exceeds their love for God, and as a result, they bear no fruit of righteousness.

Finally, there are those whose hearts are like good soil, those who hear the word, understand it, and keep it, and bear fruit in their lives (Matthew 13:23). These are the ones who will inherit eternal life, for they keep the word of Christ and endure in it.

As Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15, NKJV). The word of God is clear: to be saved, one must not only hear but obey His word. Those who do not keep God’s word, whose hearts are hardened, whose lives are unfruitful, will not inherit the kingdom of God. Their end will be like the foolish man who built his house on the sand. When the storms came, it fell, and great was its fall (Matthew 7:26-27).

The Lord also warned us with another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way” (Matthew 13:24-25, NKJV). The tares represent those who are among the true believers but are not genuinely saved. They look like believers on the outside, but they do not bear the fruit of the kingdom of God. In the end, the angels will gather the tares and cast them into the fire. So, it is with those who do not keep God’s word.

Let this be clear: eternal life is promised to those who remain in Christ, who live by His word, and who endure to the end. “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me” (John 14:21, NKJV). The love of God is not a feeling or a mere verbal declaration; it is seen in action, in obedience to His word.

To Keep God’s Word and Inherit Eternal Life

Therefore, beloved, let us not be hearers only, deceiving ourselves, but doers of the word (James 1:22). Let us continue in the faith, steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that our labor is not in vain in Him (1 Corinthians 15:58). Remember, Jesus has promised eternal life to those who remain faithful to His word, and He is able to keep us from stumbling and present us faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy (Jude 24).

Be encouraged, be diligent, and continue to press forward toward the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:14). For it is written, “And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life” (1 John 2:25, NKJV). Keep His word, endure in faith, and you will inherit the eternal life He has promised.

Grace and peace be with you.
This is long winded, but I hope you will read it. It will help you understand a critical aspect of salvation that you miss.

You are in part correct. What you do not understand is the difference between being born again and the salvation of the soul. I've covered this a number of times, but it's OK, I'll go over it again.

To be born again means that you have a new spirit that is born of God. God makes us alive (Colossians 2:13). That is what it means to have eternal life. If you do not have eternal life now then you are still dead in trespass and sin. Eternal life is exactly that. It is of God and so cannot die.

There is a "second salvation", which is the goal of our faith. Since "salvation" has come to mean going to heaven when you die, I prefer to use the word "deliverance". This is the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus preached (Luke 4:18). It is a lifetime work of the Holy Spirit that is intended to transform the soul.

You will remember the wonderful passage from Isaiah 40, A voice of one calling: “Prepare the way for the LORD in the wilderness; make a straight highway for our God in the desert. Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill made low; the uneven ground will become smooth, and the rugged land a plain." John the Baptist declared that he was that voice.

John did not command Israelites to make a new road. It is a spiritual principle. So what does it mean?

An individual may be born again, but some attitude problems still remain (Hebrews 12:1) Often, some bondages are removed the moment we are born again. However, we ourselves retain most of the attitudes that were formed in us over our lives. And there is the natural life that indwells the soul still. This is the life that Adam had when he disobeyed God. You will recall that spiritual life was to be found in the Tree of Life. If Adam's natural life was sufficient, God would not offered him the Tree of Life.

We are programmed to live according to self-will, our own opinions, thoughts, logic, reason and feelings. Because the natural man does not know the things of God, they mostly are in opposition to God's ways. And this is what God sets out to change.

There are three areas of the soul that need changing. We need to learn to live by God's truth, not our own reason and logic. This requires the renewal of the mind. We need to know that our feelings are unreliable. So we live by principle, not feeling. And we need to know that God's will is vastly superior to our own will.

The proud are like the mountains that must be brought low. The rebellious are like the valley that must be raised up. Many Christians are unstable, up one day and down in the dumps the next. This is the "uneven ground". And some are insensitive, coarse, noisy and obnoxious. These are the rough or rugged.

Most believers suffer from these problems to at least some degree. Jesus loves us so much that he does not want to leave us in that condition.
 
This is long winded, but I hope you will read it. It will help you understand a critical aspect of salvation that you miss.

You are in part correct. What you do not understand is the difference between being born again and the salvation of the soul. I've covered this a number of times, but it's OK, I'll go over it again.

To be born again means that you have a new spirit that is born of God. God makes us alive (Colossians 2:13). That is what it means to have eternal life. If you do not have eternal life now then you are still dead in trespass and sin. Eternal life is exactly that. It is of God and so cannot die.

There is a "second salvation", which is the goal of our faith. Since "salvation" has come to mean going to heaven when you die, I prefer to use the word "deliverance". This is the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus preached (Luke 4:18). It is a lifetime work of the Holy Spirit that is intended to transform the soul.

You will remember the wonderful passage from Isaiah 40, A voice of one calling: “Prepare the way for the LORD in the wilderness; make a straight highway for our God in the desert. Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill made low; the uneven ground will become smooth, and the rugged land a plain." John the Baptist declared that he was that voice.

John did not command Israelites to make a new road. It is a spiritual principle. So what does it mean?

An individual may be born again, but some attitude problems still remain (Hebrews 12:1) Often, some bondages are removed the moment we are born again. However, we ourselves retain most of the attitudes that were formed in us over our lives. And there is the natural life that indwells the soul still. This is the life that Adam had when he disobeyed God. You will recall that spiritual life was to be found in the Tree of Life. If Adam's natural life was sufficient, God would not offered him the Tree of Life.

We are programmed to live according to self-will, our own opinions, thoughts, logic, reason and feelings. Because the natural man does not know the things of God, they mostly are in opposition to God's ways. And this is what God sets out to change.

There are three areas of the soul that need changing. We need to learn to live by God's truth, not our own reason and logic. This requires the renewal of the mind. We need to know that our feelings are unreliable. So we live by principle, not feeling. And we need to know that God's will is vastly superior to our own will.

The proud are like the mountains that must be brought low. The rebellious are like the valley that must be raised up. Many Christians are unstable, up one day and down in the dumps the next. This is the "uneven ground". And some are insensitive, coarse, noisy and obnoxious. These are the rough or rugged.

Most believers suffer from these problems to at least some degree. Jesus loves us so much that he does not want to leave us in that condition.
 
The message was intended to those who follow Christ and keep his words.It was NOT for you.
 
Beloved of God who believe in Christ and keep His words, grace to you and peace from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I write to you concerning the most essential matter of life, the way to remain saved and possess eternal life. There is but one way, one truth, and one life, and it is through our Lord Jesus Christ. As He Himself said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6, NKJV).

Salvation is not by works, so that no one may boast, but by grace through faith. We are saved when we believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross, trusting Him as the Son of God who bore our sins, died in our place, and rose again for our justification. The apostle Paul said, “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9, NKJV).

Those who are saved are not those who simply call themselves believers, but those who have genuinely received Christ into their hearts. They are those who have been born again, born of the Spirit, and sealed with the Holy Spirit. Just as Jesus told Nicodemus, “Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3, NKJV). The evidence of being born again is a transformed life—one that turns away from sin and follows Christ.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16, NKJV). The promise is clear: eternal life belongs to those who believe in Jesus Christ, who abide in His word, and who live according to His commands.

You who are saved, hold fast to the faith. Do not depart from the path that leads to life. The Scripture says, “But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13, NKJV). Your salvation is secure, but only as long as you remain in Him, for “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6, NKJV).

The Danger of Not Keeping God’s Word

But woe to those who hear the word and do not keep it, for they will not inherit eternal life. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21, NKJV).

You must understand, beloved, that salvation is not merely a verbal profession; it is a life surrendered to God, lived out in obedience to His Word. Many in this world hear the gospel, and many even profess to know God, but they do not do His will. This is the danger of a heart that does not submit to His Word.

Consider the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:3-9). Some hear the word of God, but their hearts are like the path where the seed is sown and quickly snatched away by the enemy. These are those who hear the gospel but do not hold fast to it, and so they are lost.

Others receive the word with joy, but when trials and tribulations arise, they fall away. These are those who do not endure to the end. They may seem to believe for a time, but when faced with difficulty, they abandon the faith, showing that their belief was not deep-rooted.

Then, there are those whose hearts are like the thorny ground. They receive the word, but the cares of this life, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful (Mark 4:18-19). These are the people whose love for the world exceeds their love for God, and as a result, they bear no fruit of righteousness.

Finally, there are those whose hearts are like good soil, those who hear the word, understand it, and keep it, and bear fruit in their lives (Matthew 13:23). These are the ones who will inherit eternal life, for they keep the word of Christ and endure in it.

As Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15, NKJV). The word of God is clear: to be saved, one must not only hear but obey His word. Those who do not keep God’s word, whose hearts are hardened, whose lives are unfruitful, will not inherit the kingdom of God. Their end will be like the foolish man who built his house on the sand. When the storms came, it fell, and great was its fall (Matthew 7:26-27).

The Lord also warned us with another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way” (Matthew 13:24-25, NKJV). The tares represent those who are among the true believers but are not genuinely saved. They look like believers on the outside, but they do not bear the fruit of the kingdom of God. In the end, the angels will gather the tares and cast them into the fire. So, it is with those who do not keep God’s word.

Let this be clear: eternal life is promised to those who remain in Christ, who live by His word, and who endure to the end. “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me” (John 14:21, NKJV). The love of God is not a feeling or a mere verbal declaration; it is seen in action, in obedience to His word.

To Keep God’s Word and Inherit Eternal Life

Therefore, beloved, let us not be hearers only, deceiving ourselves, but doers of the word (James 1:22). Let us continue in the faith, steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that our labor is not in vain in Him (1 Corinthians 15:58). Remember, Jesus has promised eternal life to those who remain faithful to His word, and He is able to keep us from stumbling and present us faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy (Jude 24).

Be encouraged, be diligent, and continue to press forward toward the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:14). For it is written, “And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life” (1 John 2:25, NKJV). Keep His word, endure in faith, and you will inherit the eternal life He has promised.

Grace and peace be with you.

Thank you how do we get rid of our sins or don't we have to?

How do we know we have the Holy Ghost or don't we have to get it?
 
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The promise is clear: eternal life belongs to those who believe in Jesus Christ, who abide in His word, and who live according to His commands.

I,See clearly, from day one anyone chooses to believe God in risen Son, God gives them new life to learn new from. We, I at least learn new in trust to God Father in risen Son to not give up on me to teach me what is not good for me, my Soul. Then, one, anyone that continues in belief, Col 1:21-23 will learn new and stop things not good for them. As, that might take time, I know for me it has and does and did.Father never forsaking me or you or anyone in this gift alone of the love and mercy of Son does for everyone. To be new and see new and learn new. Going to God in my own closet daily in prayer other truth from God over error. I get from God in God's Spirit and Truth the best answers, Father knows best Jeremiah 29:11
Thank you
 
Thank you how do we get rid of our sins or don't we have to?

How do we know we have the Holy Ghost or don't we have to get it?
Good questions
Thank you how do we get rid of our sins or don't we have to?

How do we know we have the Holy Ghost or don't we have to get it?
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Thank you how do we get rid of our sins or don't we have to?

When we talk about sin and the Holy Spirit, Jesus gives us a very simple and hopeful path that anyone can understand. He never told us to ignore sin, but He also never told us to carry the weight of our mistakes alone. Instead, He invites us to come to Him honestly. Jesus said, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand,” showing that repentance is simply turning back toward God with a sincere heart. He also taught us to pray, “Forgive us our sins,” which means forgiveness is always open to us when we ask for it. As we follow Him, He welcomes us without rejection, for He said that those who come to Him He will never cast out. Peter taught the same truth when he said, “Repent, that your sins may be blotted out.” So yes, getting rid of sin means we bring it to God, confess it, turn from it, and let Jesus wash our hearts clean. This is not something we do only once; it is a gentle, daily walk of trust, honesty, and obedience. And God never turns away a sincere heart.

Q:How do we know we have the Holy Ghost or don't we have to get it?

When we ask about receiving the Holy Spirit, Jesus explained that the Spirit is essential for the life of a believer. He called Him the Helper and the Spirit of truth, and He promised that the Father would give Him to those who love Him and keep His words. So how do we know we have the Spirit? Jesus and the apostles described simple signs that begin quietly but grow over time. The Spirit gives us a new desire to follow God; He softens the heart and gives us a growing love for what is right. He also gives us new understanding of God’s word, fulfilling Jesus’ promise that the Spirit would teach us and guide us into all truth. Another sign is a new love for others, a deeper patience and gentleness that grows inside us. John explained that we know God abides in us by the Spirit He gives. The Spirit also gives strength to resist sin, not making us perfect in a single moment, but helping us overcome things we could never defeat alone. And He provides a quiet inner witness, a gentle awareness of God’s presence that is steady and real, not loud or forced.
All of this leads to a simple and comforting truth. If you seek forgiveness, Jesus will forgive you. If you ask for the Holy Spirit, Jesus will give Him to you. He promised that the Father will give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him. You do not need to be perfect first. You only need an honest heart that turns to God and says, “Lord, I want You.” And He will answer every time.

Peace be with you.
 
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Salvation is not by works, so that no one may boast, but by grace through faith. We are saved when we believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross, trusting Him as the Son of God who bore our sins, died in our place, and rose again for our justification. The apostle Paul said, “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9, NKJV).
But woe to those who hear the word and do not keep it, for they will not inherit eternal life. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21, NKJV).

You must understand, beloved, that salvation is not merely a verbal profession; it is a life surrendered to God, lived out in obedience to His Word. Many in this world hear the gospel, and many even profess to know God, but they do not do His will. This is the danger of a heart that does not submit to His Word.

I do not understand why people who insist that salvation is through obedience to the law also claim that salvation is not by works.
 
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I do not understand why people who insist that salvation is through obedience to the law also claim that salvation is not by works.


About the law ( the ten commandments also called the covenant by GOD) here is why directly we have to Obey directly from .Jesus own words. Listen to him!;
Jesus said clearly, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15) and repeated, “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me” (John 14:21). Love and obedience are inseparable.

When the rich young ruler asked what he must do to have eternal life, Jesus pointed directly to the commandments: “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 19:18–19). This was not optional advice. Jesus expected the man to follow God’s law, and the man went away sorrowful because he refused.

Jesus’ teaching is clear and certain: salvation is expressed in keeping God’s commandments out of love for Him, not ignored or set aside. Obedience is the evidence of faith, not a separate work.


About salvation and works, People have to read James 2:14-26 if they want to understand, he explains it brilliantly, please read it.

Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves.
(James 1:22)
 
About the law ( the ten commandments also called the covenant by GOD) here is why directly we have to Obey directly from .Jesus own words. Listen to him!;
Jesus said clearly, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15) and repeated, “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me” (John 14:21). Love and obedience are inseparable.

When the rich young ruler asked what he must do to have eternal life, Jesus pointed directly to the commandments: “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 19:18–19). This was not optional advice. Jesus expected the man to follow God’s law, and the man went away sorrowful because he refused.

Jesus’ teaching is clear and certain: salvation is expressed in keeping God’s commandments out of love for Him, not ignored or set aside. Obedience is the evidence of faith, not a separate work.


About salvation and works, People have to read James 2:14-26 if they want to understand, he explains it brilliantly, please read it.

Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves.
(James 1:22)
No, your characterization of the rich young ruler's attitude is wrong.

"The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?” (Mt 19:20)​

But when Jesus told him to sell all His posessions and give the proceeds to the poor and afterwards follow Him, He went away sad. I suppose you have sold all your possessions and have given all the proceeds to the poor, since you are condemnatory towards everyone who doesn't do what Jesus said.
 
Just to be clear: are you saying Gideon3000 does not follow Christ and keep his words?

Oh you had better believe that is what he is saying. The problem though, is that it is the op's words that must be followed. If not?
it's the fiery pit for you. His thread on the 10 commandments are the covenant, was peppered with him telling people they are going to hell and "you don't belong to God' and various other judgements.

He said yesterday he was not going to post in that thread anymore and that he would create new threads.

Yet, it's just more of the same. Rinse and repeat.
 
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No, your characterization of the rich young ruler's attitude is wrong.

"The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?” (Mt 19:20)​

But when Jesus told him to sell all His posessions and give the proceeds to the poor and afterwards follow Him, He went away sad. I suppose you have sold all your possessions and have given all the proceeds to the poor, since you are condemnatory towards everyone who doesn't do what Jesus said.

You interpret your own way, as I know you would. People who do not follow Jesus’ words often use this as an excuse—but it is not an excuse at all. Jesus said what He said to the rich young ruler for a reason, and it is important to understand the principle, not just the letter of that one situation.

The rich young ruler was asked to sell all his possessions because his heart was clinging to wealth more than to God. Jesus saw that his attachment would block him from fully following. He did not give the same instruction to everyone; He gave a test of the heart, not a universal rule that all must sell everything. Jesus said the commandments first—the Ten Commandments and the law of love—to show that eternal life is rooted in obedience and a pure heart. Only then did He point to the thing that was truly holding the young man back.

Notice what this means: Jesus’ instruction is measured, purposeful, and personal. It was not meant to condemn others who have possessions, but to reveal what was keeping that one man from wholehearted devotion. The principle is obedience from love, not a rigid checklist applied in the same way to every person. Jesus wanted him to prioritize God above everything else, showing that salvation is lived through love expressed in obedience.

So using this verse as an excuse to dismiss God’s commands or to say, “I don’t have to follow because I don’t sell all I have,” misses the point entirely. Jesus’ words are always about the heart’s orientation. He calls everyone to follow Him according to what is honestly required of their own hearts, in the way that obedience shows love. The story illustrates the seriousness of surrendering what keeps you from God, not a literal requirement that everyone sell everything they own.

Also, the rich young ruler was breaking a commandment—though not by outward sin like stealing or lying, but in his heart. God’s first commandment is: “You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3), and Jesus saw that the man’s attachment to wealth had become a god to him. By valuing his possessions more than God, he was disobeying the commandment to love God with all his heart (Matthew 22:37). Jesus emphasizes again and again that sin begins in the heart; obedience is shown by what we truly love and trust. The story shows that placing anything above God—even money—is breaking His law in the heart, which is exactly what Jesus calls us to correct through love and obedience.
 
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You wrote, in response to Gideon3000

Gideon3000 said that he indeed follows Christ and keeps His words.
Do you agree with Gideon3000?
You are asking me to judge Gideon, but that is not my place; each person is guided by their own conscience and can make their own choices.
 
in your second paragraph, you say, "the way to remain saved". no born again Christian has to be concerned about remaining saved. once saved always saved is totally true. study these verses: John 10:28, John 3:36, Hebrews 5:9 & 1st John 5:13. we are assured salvation forever by Jesus, eternal life! guaranteed!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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You interpret your own way, as I know you would. People who do not follow Jesus’ words often use this as an excuse—but it is not an excuse at all. Jesus said what He said to the rich young ruler for a reason, and it is important to understand the principle, not just the letter of that one situation.

The rich young ruler was asked to sell all his possessions because his heart was clinging to wealth more than to God. Jesus saw that his attachment would block him from fully following. He did not give the same instruction to everyone; He gave a test of the heart, not a universal rule that all must sell everything. Jesus said the commandments first—the Ten Commandments and the law of love—to show that eternal life is rooted in obedience and a pure heart. Only then did He point to the thing that was truly holding the young man back.

Notice what this means: Jesus’ instruction is measured, purposeful, and personal. It was not meant to condemn others who have possessions, but to reveal what was keeping that one man from wholehearted devotion. The principle is obedience from love, not a rigid checklist applied in the same way to every person. Jesus wanted him to prioritize God above everything else, showing that salvation is lived through love expressed in obedience.

So using this verse as an excuse to dismiss God’s commands or to say, “I don’t have to follow because I don’t sell all I have,” misses the point entirely. Jesus’ words are always about the heart’s orientation. He calls everyone to follow Him according to what is honestly required of their own hearts, in the way that obedience shows love. The story illustrates the seriousness of surrendering what keeps you from God, not a literal requirement that everyone sell everything they own.

Also, the rich young ruler was breaking a commandment—though not by outward sin like stealing or lying, but in his heart. God’s first commandment is: “You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3), and Jesus saw that the man’s attachment to wealth had become a god to him. By valuing his possessions more than God, he was disobeying the commandment to love God with all his heart (Matthew 22:37). Jesus emphasizes again and again that sin begins in the heart; obedience is shown by what we truly love and trust. The story shows that placing anything above God—even money—is breaking His law in the heart, which is exactly what Jesus calls us to correct through love and obedience.
You said, "Jesus expected the man to follow God’s law, and the man went away sorrowful because he refused. " But Jesus didn't say, "You're a liar" like He could have when he claimed he had followed the required commandments from his youth. Instead, He drilled down on one of the ten commandments that he had been breaking (perhaps his whole life). Keeping his wealth to himself and not being generous to others who were in need proved he didn't care for other people as much as he cared for himself.
 
You interpret your own way, as I know you would. People who do not follow Jesus’ words often use this as an excuse—but it is not an excuse at all. Jesus said what He said to the rich young ruler for a reason, and it is important to understand the principle, not just the letter of that one situation.

The rich young ruler was asked to sell all his possessions because his heart was clinging to wealth more than to God. Jesus saw that his attachment would block him from fully following. He did not give the same instruction to everyone; He gave a test of the heart, not a universal rule that all must sell everything. Jesus said the commandments first—the Ten Commandments and the law of love—to show that eternal life is rooted in obedience and a pure heart. Only then did He point to the thing that was truly holding the young man back.

Notice what this means: Jesus’ instruction is measured, purposeful, and personal. It was not meant to condemn others who have possessions, but to reveal what was keeping that one man from wholehearted devotion. The principle is obedience from love, not a rigid checklist applied in the same way to every person. Jesus wanted him to prioritize God above everything else, showing that salvation is lived through love expressed in obedience.

So using this verse as an excuse to dismiss God’s commands or to say, “I don’t have to follow because I don’t sell all I have,” misses the point entirely. Jesus’ words are always about the heart’s orientation. He calls everyone to follow Him according to what is honestly required of their own hearts, in the way that obedience shows love. The story illustrates the seriousness of surrendering what keeps you from God, not a literal requirement that everyone sell everything they own.

Also, the rich young ruler was breaking a commandment—though not by outward sin like stealing or lying, but in his heart. God’s first commandment is: “You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3), and Jesus saw that the man’s attachment to wealth had become a god to him. By valuing his possessions more than God, he was disobeying the commandment to love God with all his heart (Matthew 22:37). Jesus emphasizes again and again that sin begins in the heart; obedience is shown by what we truly love and trust. The story shows that placing anything above God—even money—is breaking His law in the heart, which is exactly what Jesus calls us to correct through love and obedience.
Salvation through obedience to the law is a hard pill to swallow for those who see salvation as being the unmerited favor of God towards those who have trusted the safekeeping of their souls to Christ.

4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Tt 3:4–7).​
 
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