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throughfaith

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Those are the mysteries of God....and the spiritual meanings are concealed....this is why Jesus said..give not your gift to the dogs...for they will devour

Also why Jesus said said to his disciples...unto you is given to know the kingdom of God..but unto others I speak in parables that they may be ever seeing and never perceiving....as spoken by the prophet Isaiah
Which verse says 'give not your gift to the dogs..'? And yes Jesus told his disciples about the parables , and we get to read them , with the explanation given . The point there is ,we now read the parable With the explanation. They are not hidden now . There not coded messages that only the gnostic enlightened can read.
 

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Those are the mysteries of God....and the spiritual meanings are concealed....this is why Jesus said..give not your gift to the dogs...for they will devour

Also why Jesus said said to his disciples...unto you is given to know the kingdom of God..but unto others I speak in parables that they may be ever seeing and never perceiving....as spoken by the prophet Isaiah
The "dogs" are those who don't believe in Jesus. Most people here do. The "others" are unrepentant Jews.

Instead of acting like you are God's gift to us, get off your high horse and start acting like you are not better; for in truth, you aren't. You are a sinner in need of a saviour, and your arrogance is a stench.
 

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35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Yes and what is the Gospel ( good news) here please ?
 

Naomi123

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It matters how much each person understands

“And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.

For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭

what you are saying about walking as Jesus did is the truth and agreeable to any Christian and the high goal I believe that when we find out where we really need to be we have that goal you are articulating and even though we never quite reach it and say “ I’m there I’m actually like Jesus “

it’s meant to produce humility , patience, integrity and those types of things the proper mind in Christ is just about where you are having that goal set as high as the heavens just remember also about the standard going up for some and remaining lower for mothers based on what they understand of the gospel

A good perfect mind in Christ seems to be in the pursuit of him and not actually having achieved the goal

“Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:13-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as we walk in the lord we need to live up to the things we do understand of him. But my standard that is my judgement is based upon my understanding God knows everything I know and what I’ve done

but others will be judged based upon what it is they know and what they’ve done

I think the pursuit of perfection in Christ keeps us moving forward I would hate to reach a point I thought I had become just like Jesus because infeel
I would be fooling myself because he is really really really far above me in every way
Jesus reveals the Father to those that love him and obey him...God is revealed in the great light...
now you will know
 

throughfaith

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The only ' obedience ' required to be saved today is ' believe the Gospel.
21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe .
1 cor 1.21 .

Romans 6:17 KJV
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

And no this is not what the demons believe .
 

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The "dogs" are those who don't believe in Jesus. Most people here do. The "others" are unrepentant Jews.

Instead of acting like you are God's gift to us, get off your high horse and start acting like you are not better; for in truth, you aren't. You are a sinner in need of a saviour, and your arrogance is a stench.
what did God say to Ezekiel .....give them my message whether they listen or fail to listen for they are a rebellious house....Paul said we must heed the words of the Prophets....and listen carefully....we don’t argue. .....Jesus said he was hated..he was hated from the beginning...why...because of the truth...Jesus said my words are truth...truth hurts..it’s the double edge sword...
The cause of the division..and yet it must be so.....it is prophecy....as it says in revelation....those that were killed for the testimony of Jesus..very sad indeed

remember Paul said..to some we are the aroma of life to others we are the smell of death..cor. 2.16
 

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what did God say to Ezekiel .....give them my message whether they listen or fail to listen for they are a rebellious house....Paul said we must heed the words of the Prophets....and listen carefully....we don’t argue. .....Jesus said he was hated..he was hated from the beginning...why...because of the truth...Jesus said my words are truth...truth hurts..it’s the double edge sword...
The cause of the division..and yet it must be so.....it is prophecy....as it says in revelation....those that were killed for the testimony of Jesus..very sad indeed

remember Paul said..to some we are the aroma of life to others we are the smell of death..cor. 2.16
Which verse says Paul said "we must heed the words of the Prophets"
 

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It seems to me that you have a narrow view of what makes a true believer in Christ. You consider yourself to be one, but you think very few others are. Do you attend a fellowship with other believers?
I did not say anything about myself...anyway it is good to discuss matters..we learn what is in the heart....
 

Naomi123

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Which verse says Paul said "we must heed the words of the Prophets"
acts 13.40.....just as a matter of interest read also psalm 49...one of my special. Psalms...we must talk and not get angry...let us discuss
 

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what did God say to Ezekiel .....give them my message whether they listen or fail to listen for they are a rebellious house....Paul said we must heed the words of the Prophets....and listen carefully....we don’t argue. .....Jesus said he was hated..he was hated from the beginning...why...because of the truth...Jesus said my words are truth...truth hurts..it’s the double edge sword...
The cause of the division..and yet it must be so.....it is prophecy....as it says in revelation....those that were killed for the testimony of Jesus..very sad indeed

remember Paul said..to some we are the aroma of life to others we are the smell of death..cor. 2.16
Your arrogance is a stench. The message you bring is either true, or it is false. If it is consistent with the Scriptures, it is true. If not, it is false.

Again, get off your high horse.
 

Naomi123

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Your arrogance is a stench. The message you bring is either true, or it is false. If it is consistent with the Scriptures, it is true. If not, it is false.

Again, get off your high horse.
Matthew 10.14
 

Naomi123

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Your arrogance is a stench. The message you bring is either true, or it is false. If it is consistent with the Scriptures, it is true. If not, it is false.

Again, get off your high horse.
Ok can you tell me why God is hated....deut. 5.9 ...and again Jesus said the world hates him...they hated him from the beginning..
 

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most certainly...we must walk as Jesus did....unto death
like I said not all can accept..as the masses said...this is very hard teaching who can accept it..
I think you are making this harder than what it actually is. He didn't literally mean that we should hate and or abandon anyone.

It is not a sin to own possessions or be married and/or have a family. However, we should put Jesus first and above all else and follow him. We need to make sure that we are following him and doing what he wants us to do. No matter what anyone else says, we are to put him first and do his will. To me, that is actually pretty simple to understand.


As far as them saying, it was a hard teaching and who can accept it...That was when he was talking about eating his flesh and drinking his blood....It was parable and they could not understand it. We know what it means, because he explained it. Good thing he explained it to them, as well because.... It would have been terrible if they would had taken him literal.
 

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Ok can you tell me why God is hated....deut. 5.9 ...and again Jesus said the world hates him...they hated him from the beginning..
Because they love darkness rather than light. They would rather hide in their sin instead of coming to Jesus.
 

Naomi123

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I think you are making this harder than what it actually is. He didn't literally mean that we should hate and or abandon anyone.

It is not a sin to own possessions or be married and/or have a family. However, we should put Jesus first and above all else and follow him. We need to make sure that we are following him and doing what he wants us to do. No matter what anyone else says, we are to put him first and do his will. To me, that is actually pretty simple to understand.


As far as them saying, it was a hard teaching and who can accept it...That was when he was talking about eating his flesh and drinking his blood....It was parable and they could not understand it. We know what it means, because he explained it. Good thing he explained it to them, as well because.... It would have been terrible if they would had taken him literal.
Can you tell me Why Jesus was hated....what are your thoughts...can someone be hated for delivering a message that is acceptable or not acceptable .
what do you think he was saying that caused the people to say crucify him...to have so much hatred in their heart....
 

Dino246

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Ok can you tell me why God is hated....deut. 5.9 ...and again Jesus said the world hates him...they hated him from the beginning..
Jesus rightly said that His followers would be hated... by the world. You are setting yourself up as one of His followers, implying that others on this forum are not His followers. Most here are followers of Jesus; we just don't necessarily agree with your interpretation of Scripture. Deal with it. Grow a thicker skin, and stop acting like a martyr.
 

Naomi123

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Because they love darkness rather than light. They would rather hide in their sin instead of coming to Jesus.
True....that’s what Jesus says is the conviction in a mans soul..and the purpose of the Holy Spirit
 

Naomi123

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Jesus rightly said that His followers would be hated... by the world. You are setting yourself up as one of His followers, implying that others on this forum are not His followers. Most here are followers of Jesus; we just don't necessarily agree with your interpretation of Scripture. Deal with it. Grow a thicker skin, and stop acting like a martyr.
not at all...I really like everyone here...it’s so important to discuss....like in ancient times..people sat around the fire and discussed important matters...
 

throughfaith

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acts 13.40.....just as a matter of interest read also psalm 49...one of my special. Psalms...we must talk and not get angry...let us discuss
34And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

35Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

36¶For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

37But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

38Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

40Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

41Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

42¶And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Its not saying the way you said it?
There's no anger here 😊