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Bible_Highlighter

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Now if they could only render the King James in clear and lucid English ?

Then you might have at least one foot to stand on.
So you would recognize the KJV as the perfect and inerrant words of God if it was updated properly in English, reflecting beautifully the work of the KJV translators and Beza, etcetera?


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Bible_Highlighter

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How many men are you?

My pastor was recommended to me by the professor of ancient languages at a Bible college I attended. This professor was associated with Harvard during WWII. Other pastors who have the integrity and skill to exegete also endorsed him.

What endorsed him the most for me?
He makes sense where others meander around in a maze of footnotes and comments, but can never nail an issue down.

So, you who promote the KJV? Are telling me you know better?


Have a nice Day.

You will like it anyway (eventually).
I am not impressed by titles or scholarship. Jesus warned us about the scribes.


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Dino246

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Actually, the 5,800 Greek manuscripts are Byzantine text type, and while they are not always an exact match, the Textus Receptus aligns more with these 5,800 manuscripts than the Alexandrian manuscripts such as Vaticanus and Sinaiticus.
Um, no. While the majority of the 5800 manuscripts are of the Byzantine text type, it is completely wrong to claim that all of them are. Try checking things before making claims that make you look foolish.

As for "aligning" with them, that's irrelevant. Some people are swayed by the volume of evidence, giving no consideration to the reasons why the Byzantine text type is predominant among the extant manuscripts. Don't bother claiming it's because they are the correct ones; it is essentially impossible to prove that.
 

Dino246

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Anyway, your reply here does not in any way prove your agenda of the false of Science of Modern Textual Criticism.
Why do you keep making accusatory statements like this? Are you really that much of a jackdonkey that your day is not complete until you insult someone? Did he claim to have an agenda for the "Science of Modern Textual Criticism"? If not, you are in league with Satan here.
 

Dino246

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I believe that a perfect Word needs to exist because man is corrupt and fallen.
You can believe whatever you like, but that doesn't make it true, and it doesn't count as evidence for your position.

Man (as a whole) is generally going to go with something that benefits his dark heart rather than let the perfection of God's Word change them.
The "perfection" of God's word doesn't change anyone.
 

Dino246

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When individuals are prosecuted for a crime, a solid case is often built against them in court with multiple pieces of evidence. This creates a clear theme, leading to a conclusion. The same principle applies to the issue of Bible translations.
Unless you hold the KJV to exactly the same standards to which you hold other translations, your grandiose claims are nothing but wind.
 

Bible_Highlighter

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Are you implying that Peanut's in purgatory?
No. Purgatory is a Catholic idea and I am not Catholic. I just believe the King James Bible. What I am saying is that I’m uncertain where animals go during the time that saints currently reside in Abraham’s bosom (Paradise) in the heart of the Earth before the future Rapture takes place and the 7 year tribulation. What I do know, however, is that they are awaiting the manifestation of the sons of God, as Romans 8:19 reveals. This could mean that the creature (animals) may arise again either in the Millennium or the New Earth or something. Again, I am not so sure on the specifics or details about it because Scripture does not specifically make it clear.


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Bible_Highlighter

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Um, no. While the majority of the 5800 manuscripts are of the Byzantine text type, it is completely wrong to claim that all of them are. Try checking things before making claims that make you look foolish.
My wording is not perfect always or precise. To clarify, I am saying that the majority of the 5,800 Greek manuscripts are Byzantine text type. The smaller percentage of these manuscripts out of this large pool is Alexandrian, etcetera.

You said:
As for "aligning" with them, that's irrelevant. Some people are swayed by the volume of evidence, giving no consideration to the reasons why the Byzantine text type is predominant among the extant manuscripts. Don't bother claiming it's because they are the correct ones; it is essentially impossible to prove that.
The fact that the KJV aligns primarily (not precisely) with the majority of the 5,800 Greek manuscripts shows that the church did indeed have the Word of God as per the promises of God mentioned in His Word. We can also see one line of Bibles is corrupt (the Alexandrian line), and the other is not corrupt (The Byzantine text type and TR) because of the changed doctrines that are for the worse and not for the better. We can also see that heretics are associated with this corrupt line, as well. Even biblical numerics confirms both the original language TR manuscripts and the KJV. The KJV helped to be a part of the three greatest revivals, and lead to unbelievers and believers speaking idioms popularized by the KJV makes it not another mere book, but something more.


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Bible_Highlighter

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You can believe whatever you like, but that doesn't make it true, and it doesn't count as evidence for your position.
I am not saying that particular reason was really good evidence exactly. My decision is based on a long line of other really good evidences. That is what my 150 Reaosns for the KJV is all about.

You said:
The "perfection" of God's word doesn't change anyone.
Sounds like the Leftist machine or the Legacy Media.

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Genez

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So you would recognize the KJV as the perfect and inerrant words of God if it was updated properly in English, reflecting beautifully the work of the KJV translators and Beza, etcetera?


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No sir....
The fact that it's rendered into a foreign type of English for our ears means you have no leg to stand on to prove what you claim about it is true
 

Dino246

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The fact that the KJV aligns primarily (not precisely) with the majority of the 5,800 Greek manuscripts shows that the church did indeed have the Word of God as per the promises of God mentioned in His Word.
It means nothing of the sort. You've bought in to the fallacy of truth by popularity.

We can also see one line of Bibles is corrupt (the Alexandrian line), and the other is not corrupt (The Byzantine text type and TR) because of the changed doctrines that are for the worse and not for the better.
You're guessing. You don't know which is the original.

We can also see that heretics are associated with this corrupt line, as well. Even biblical numerics confirms both the original language TR manuscripts and the KJV.
Horse droppings.
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Dino246

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LOL! Then who translated the KJV? :giggle: The baker in town?

Obviously, scholarship you find distasteful...
I'm just waiting for him to wax poetic about the allegedly unmatched knowledge, skill, character, and diligence of the translators. Then I'll remind him of his assertion here. ;)
 

Genez

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My wording is not perfect always or precise. To clarify, I am saying that the majority of the 5,800 Greek manuscripts are Byzantine text type. The smaller percentage of these manuscripts out of this large pool is Alexandrian, etcetera.

The fact that the KJV aligns primarily (not precisely) with the majority of the 5,800 Greek manuscripts shows that the church did indeed have the Word of God as per the promises of God mentioned in His Word. We can also see one line of Bibles is corrupt (the Alexandrian line), and the other is not corrupt (The Byzantine text type and TR) because of the changed doctrines that are for the worse and not for the better. We can also see that heretics are associated with this corrupt line, as well. Even biblical numerics confirms both the original language TR manuscripts and the KJV. The KJV helped to be a part of the three greatest revivals, and lead to unbelievers and believers speaking idioms popularized by the KJV makes it not another mere book, but something more.


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And, what "scholarship" do you have to back up your claims about the KJV?

I am not impressed by titles or scholarship. Jesus warned us about the scribes..
Highlighter you are a funny walking contradiction.
 

Genez

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I'm just waiting for him to wax poetic about the allegedly unmatched knowledge, skill, character, and diligence of the translators. Then I'll remind him of his assertion here. ;)
In the meantime, certain sects at one time formed on the basis of Holy Ghost vs Holy Spirit.

It's ok....
 

Dino246

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In the meantime, certain sects at one time formed on the basis of Holy Ghost vs Holy Spirit.

It's ok....
I generally use "Spirit" as it avoids the unfortunate cultural associations. I once baptized someone in rather cold seawater. He was baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Gho-o-ost!