Plus, the Qur'an is not in chronological order, but arranged roughly longest surah (chapter) to the shortest. Not to mention there is no way to validate any of it, since all original copies were burned to eliminate discrepancies that existed in copies at the time of the burning.
That's not right. The last part is about judgment, not murder? If Allan's murder is murder?
I don't think true Christians are mixed up about "works salvation" at all, but I see some pretty mixed up people who think they can have Christ living within and want to keep their sin, it is salvation without repentance. They even fight about it.
The main contention Paul faced, was being accused of preaching ' licence ' . A message against the law and ' liberty ' . They did not understand grace so accused Paul of preaching against moses .
Most unbelievers think being a Christian is Joining something/ pledging a commitment to do good / appease God through good deeds and or keeping rules, requirements in order to get to heaven. Sadly a great deal of ' christians ' more or less preach and teach this , if not more subtly .
That is not how I understand what was happening. They understood grace, the unmerited deliverance from sin. But Paul taught that the gentiles did not have to obey the rules for living that were part of their culture like circumcision.
A true Christian teaches forgiveness of sin through Christ. A "don't work for salvation" person teaches that after salvation you need not live with the Lord in your heart for that is the no no of working for the Lord.
Hogwash. Once again you are utterly corrupting the words of others and completely misrepresenting the message.
Because it is true that salvations is never given through works, only by faith, that message needs to be understood in its purest form. So often in posts it is twisted to mean you must not work. It can be twisted in the opposite way, to say it is our work that saves. I find that the majority of posts put their emphasis on the twist to not work, and my posts saying so is then twisted to say you must work. It is a matter of balance. I'll bet you that your post is to say that I am not understanding this guy, that you are sure he is balancing the word properly.
The Biblical view is that we do works that were prepared for us beforehand.
When I say 'works salvation ' I don't mean that we don't work for the Lord . I mean that works dont keep us saved .
They did not understand salvation through grace. Hence the book of Galations and ephesians labours on this. Its the same today. Some still want to put their works into the Gospel.
A person who believes that he is saved by grace by believing the gospel does not forget himself. Those that err on the ' works salvation ' no matter how subtle the variety, forgets who is was when he first trusted Christ . He was a helpless sinner with nothing to offer . later this is forgotten and pride takes over . He began in the Spirit and is now trying to be made perfect in the flesh. Or worse still , he never truly trusted in Christ to begin with .
