Am standing in front of this what i have posted.On u is will u believe or not.It is not on me.
THEOSIS-The true porpouse of human life
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Am standing in front of this what i have posted.On u is will u believe or not.It is not on me.
We are now more than Adam was. Adam was made in GOD's image from dirt; we are birthed of GOD and now have his nature.
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eternally-gratefull
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We are what adam was before he sinned. If anything, he was more than us, he did not have a sin nature to carry around.
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eternally-gratefull
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No, It is not on you. You have claimed many times now man must be a god.
Get away from men. And start listening to God. Your being led astray by babylon!
How u mean that,we are now more then Adam was?U mean after his fall or before?
And to listen to u,right?Please,am following 2000years of Christianity,unchanged and unreformed.U are reformed from changed,but that didn't brought u to the source of Christianity,just some new Jesus Christ.My and your Christ are different.
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eternally-gratefull
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No you are following a reformed pagan christianity formed in the 300's AD. And not the christianity as founded by peter and Paul and most importantly Christ.
yes they are. yours demands work and religion to pay for his gift. Mine gives it freely out of his love for all mankind.
Either before or after his fall. Adam was of the earth; we in Christ are of heaven. Adam was made a living soul; we in Christ are birthed from a life-giving spirit. Adam was of the earth; we in Christ have the nature of GOD (yet we are not GOD).
The first man [Adam] is from the earth, made of earth; the second man [Christ] is from heaven. As the one who is made of earth, so also are [all] those who are made of earth, and as the heavenly, so also are [all] those who are heavenly. And just as we have borne the image of the one who is made of earth, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:47-49
Then who u follow if Christianity was paganized in 300's AD?Don't be silly and do not deny Bible and Jesus Christ.If u know so much,tell us all and illuminate us with your knowledge and truth.
What am i ever payed to get from Church?Everything i give is from my heart and will,i have never bought anything from God nor it is possible.Those who teach u teach u wrongly.U mixed me with R Catholicism,but u came from them.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Who do I follow? You might have heard of them
Christ, Paul, Peter, James, John, Peter. You know the ones who wrote the bible in the first place!
lol. You are Rome. I am not Rome.
I did not say the church pays you, I said you try to pay God wiht your religion and sacraments, and think he will save you through them. Your bringing God to your level, and not falling on your knees and admitting you have NO hope. save his flesh and blood. Not of works, lest ANYONE should boast!
Hey wait.U missed something.Adam was created from earth(dust) and soul which is particle of God in Adam.Adam(after fall) as our ancestor was same as we are here on earth now,sinner.He needed Jesus Christ(new Adam) to release him and whole man kind of bonds of death.U missed Adam part of God which is his soul.
U have missed much in history of Christianity and i am not stunned,it is normal thing.But u have mixed Orthodox Christianity with Roman Catholicism.Those two are miles far one from another.Who ever told u that we pay anything with Holy Mysteries?Man,u are missed everything,what do they teach u have no common sense.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
lol and you have been fooled into thinking you are different.
The only thing which separates the east from the west (rome) is the pope.
You pay with your sacraments. Just as they do. Your gospel message is the same. If you think otherwise. YOU do not know the truth of roman or eastern theology.
The only church history which can be trusted in the word of God, given to us in scripture. All other things are words and work of men, Not inspired.
The jews had history too. Their history proves jesus was the false messiah. Yours does the same. Their works and sacrmants saved them, as your church teaches, yours save you
This is what someone told u or u think,but the truth is very different.West and East aren't same for 1000years almost.For that time not just Pope or Filoques changed us,but many many things are changed on the West.If u wan't to know,u can find it easily on internet and see.Didn't u knew that Pope of Rome is the first Protestant?
And of course that Holy Mysteries save u,but Salvation is a process-Theosis.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
lol.. You need to stop listening to men.
you both have the same sacraments.
you both say these sacraments are required if you want to be saved.
many protestants only got rid of a few sacraments.(which is why the roman church calls them lesser churches) but teach the same religion.
The church of God, salvation based on faith of Christ, never died. it was just hidden because the church of rome killed everyone who did not believe as they did.
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st_sebastian
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Whenever conversations about theosis come up, a disturbing verse comes to mind:
One part of this, "just as you are in me and I am in you," is often quoted when discussing the Trinity. It means that Jesus and the Father are more than just on the same side - they're somehow the same. Jesus wants us to be one in the same way. What in the world would that mean?
Of course, if you believe just that it means they have the same intentions, then it's not so troubling. I apologize, I may have missed some place where this is discussed.
One part of this, "just as you are in me and I am in you," is often quoted when discussing the Trinity. It means that Jesus and the Father are more than just on the same side - they're somehow the same. Jesus wants us to be one in the same way. What in the world would that mean?
Of course, if you believe just that it means they have the same intentions, then it's not so troubling. I apologize, I may have missed some place where this is discussed.
It is some science-fiction from mind of some Protestant,who heard God speak to him such a thing.Or he heard some other spirit who don't have anything Holy in him...Man,when and where Jesus ever said that Church will be HIDDEN for God's sake!?All i know is that Church gates won't be prevailed by gates of hell!And indeed,Orthodox Church won all heresies of Early Christianity and will win present as in future also!
And,there are no lesser Churches or greater Churches,just true CHURCH(single) and fake CHURCHES(multiple),because God is One and He have only One Church!
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
lol. No what you know is we were warned of false prophets who would enter the church 9they already were) and making the churches different ( a different gospel) that we have seven different churches in asia, all having different struggles. some close to being cast out. Which proves there was never just one church.
you you take your pagan practices and ritual, and give it to god thinking he will bless you for it.. Think again. I feel sorry for you. God wants so much more for you, and to be with you,
yep he does have one church, with different names. people who focus on different things, (do not judge one who eats meat, or who does not eat meat etc etc) denominations where in the NT.. you can't see this though, because the history of men has blinded you.
Experiences of Theosis
Experiences of Theosis are proportional to the purity of man. The more someone is cleansed from the passions, the higher the experience he will receive from God; he sees God just as it was written: “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God” (Matthew 5:8).When man starts to repent, to confess, and to cry for his sins, he receives the first experiences of God’s Grace. Such experiences are first of all tears of repentance, which bring inexpressible joy to the psyche, and then the deep peace which follows this. For this reason, this mourning for our sins is called “gladsome mourning,” as the Lord also said in His Beatitudes: “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall bencomforted” (Matthew 5:4).
Afterwards, we proceed to higher stages bydivine illumination in which the nous is illu-mined and sees things, the world, and men with another grace.Then the Christian loves God more and new and different tears come, higher ones, which are tears of love for God, tears of divine eros. Then he no longer weeps for his sins, because he has the certainty that God has forgiven his sins.
These new tears, which bring to the psyche agreater happiness, joy, and peace, are a higher experience of Theosis.Afterwards, man acquires dispassion: a life without deceitful passions and sinful weaknesses. Then he is peaceful and undisturbed from every external assault, having been delivered from pride, hatred, spitefulness, and desires of the flesh.This is the second stage of Theosis, called “theoria,” in the course of which man, having already been cleansed from the passions, is illumined by the Holy Spirit, is made luminous on the way to becoming deified. Theoria means vision. Theoria of God means a vision of God. To see God, he must be a deified man. Thus, theoria of God also means Theosis.Of course, when he has been thoroughly cleansed and has offered himself entirely to God, then he also receivesthe greatest experience of divine Grace available to men, which, according to the holy Fathers, is the vision of the uncreated light of God.Those who are very advanced in Theosis see this light, very few in each generation. God’s Saints see it and appear within it, and, incidentally, this is what the halos in the holy icons show us.
Experiences of Theosis are proportional to the purity of man. The more someone is cleansed from the passions, the higher the experience he will receive from God; he sees God just as it was written: “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God” (Matthew 5:8).When man starts to repent, to confess, and to cry for his sins, he receives the first experiences of God’s Grace. Such experiences are first of all tears of repentance, which bring inexpressible joy to the psyche, and then the deep peace which follows this. For this reason, this mourning for our sins is called “gladsome mourning,” as the Lord also said in His Beatitudes: “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall bencomforted” (Matthew 5:4).
Afterwards, we proceed to higher stages bydivine illumination in which the nous is illu-mined and sees things, the world, and men with another grace.Then the Christian loves God more and new and different tears come, higher ones, which are tears of love for God, tears of divine eros. Then he no longer weeps for his sins, because he has the certainty that God has forgiven his sins.
These new tears, which bring to the psyche agreater happiness, joy, and peace, are a higher experience of Theosis.Afterwards, man acquires dispassion: a life without deceitful passions and sinful weaknesses. Then he is peaceful and undisturbed from every external assault, having been delivered from pride, hatred, spitefulness, and desires of the flesh.This is the second stage of Theosis, called “theoria,” in the course of which man, having already been cleansed from the passions, is illumined by the Holy Spirit, is made luminous on the way to becoming deified. Theoria means vision. Theoria of God means a vision of God. To see God, he must be a deified man. Thus, theoria of God also means Theosis.Of course, when he has been thoroughly cleansed and has offered himself entirely to God, then he also receivesthe greatest experience of divine Grace available to men, which, according to the holy Fathers, is the vision of the uncreated light of God.Those who are very advanced in Theosis see this light, very few in each generation. God’s Saints see it and appear within it, and, incidentally, this is what the halos in the holy icons show us.