So,who are gnostics teachers when we speaking about Theosis?Give me the names.
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So,who are gnostics teachers when we speaking about Theosis?Give me the names.
The Contribution of the Theotokosto the Theosis of Man
So, the Lord Jesus gives us this possibility to unite with God and return to the primary purpose which God ordained for man. Therefore He is described in Holy Scripture as the way, the door, the good shepherd, the life, the resurrection, the light. He is the new Adam who rights the wrong of the first Adam. The first Adam separated us from God with his disobedience and his egotism. With His love and His obedience to the Father,obedience unto death, to “death on the cross,” the second Adam, Christ, brings us back once more to God. Once again He orients our freedom towards God, so that by offering Him our freedom, we unite with Him.The work of the new Adam pre-supposes the work of the new Eve, the Panagia who put right the wrong done by the old Eve. Eve drove Adam to disobedience. The new Eve, the Pana-gia, contributes to the incarnation of the new Adam who will guide the human race towards obedience to God. Therefore, as the first human person who achieved Theosis in an exceptional and, of course unrepeatable, way– the Lady Theotokosplayed a role in our salvation which was not only fundamental,but both necessary and irreplaceable. According to St. Nicholas Cabasilas, the great 14th cent u r y theologian if the Panagia, in her obedience, had not offered her freedom to God had she not said “yes” to God– God would not have been able to incarnate. Once God had given freedom to man, He would not have been able to violate His gift, so He would not have been able to incarnate if there had not been such a pure, all-holy, immaculate psyche as the Theotokos, who would offer her freedom, her will, all of herself totally to God so as to draw Him towards herself and towards us.We owe so much to Panagia. This is why our Church honours and venerates the Theotokos so much, so that St. Gregory Palamas, summarising Patristic theology, says that our Panagia holds the second place after the Holy Trinity; that she is god after God, the boundary between the created and the uncreated. “She leads those being saved,” according to another fine expression by a theologian of our Church. Recently St. Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain, the steadfast luminary and teacher of the Church, pointed out that the angelic ranks themselves are illumined by the light they receive from the Panagia.Therefore, she is praised by our Church as “more honourable than the Cherubim and incomparably more glorious than the Seraphim.”The incarnation of the Logos and the Theosis of man are the great mystery of our Faith and Theology.
So, the Lord Jesus gives us this possibility to unite with God and return to the primary purpose which God ordained for man. Therefore He is described in Holy Scripture as the way, the door, the good shepherd, the life, the resurrection, the light. He is the new Adam who rights the wrong of the first Adam. The first Adam separated us from God with his disobedience and his egotism. With His love and His obedience to the Father,obedience unto death, to “death on the cross,” the second Adam, Christ, brings us back once more to God. Once again He orients our freedom towards God, so that by offering Him our freedom, we unite with Him.The work of the new Adam pre-supposes the work of the new Eve, the Panagia who put right the wrong done by the old Eve. Eve drove Adam to disobedience. The new Eve, the Pana-gia, contributes to the incarnation of the new Adam who will guide the human race towards obedience to God. Therefore, as the first human person who achieved Theosis in an exceptional and, of course unrepeatable, way– the Lady Theotokosplayed a role in our salvation which was not only fundamental,but both necessary and irreplaceable. According to St. Nicholas Cabasilas, the great 14th cent u r y theologian if the Panagia, in her obedience, had not offered her freedom to God had she not said “yes” to God– God would not have been able to incarnate. Once God had given freedom to man, He would not have been able to violate His gift, so He would not have been able to incarnate if there had not been such a pure, all-holy, immaculate psyche as the Theotokos, who would offer her freedom, her will, all of herself totally to God so as to draw Him towards herself and towards us.We owe so much to Panagia. This is why our Church honours and venerates the Theotokos so much, so that St. Gregory Palamas, summarising Patristic theology, says that our Panagia holds the second place after the Holy Trinity; that she is god after God, the boundary between the created and the uncreated. “She leads those being saved,” according to another fine expression by a theologian of our Church. Recently St. Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain, the steadfast luminary and teacher of the Church, pointed out that the angelic ranks themselves are illumined by the light they receive from the Panagia.Therefore, she is praised by our Church as “more honourable than the Cherubim and incomparably more glorious than the Seraphim.”The incarnation of the Logos and the Theosis of man are the great mystery of our Faith and Theology.
Our Orthodox Church lives this every daywith its Mysteries, with its hymns, with its icons, with its whole life. Even the architecture of an Orthodox Church witnesses to this. The great dome of the churches, on which the Pantocrator is painted, symbolises the descent of Heaven to
earth; it tells us that the Lord “bent down theHeavens and descended.” The Evangelist St. John writes that God became man “and dwelt among us” (John 1:14).
So, we represent the Theotokos in the apse of the altar to show that God comes to earth and to men through her, because He became man
through the Theotokos. She is “the bridge by which God descended,” and again, “she who conducts those of earth to Heaven,” the Platytera of the Heavens, the space of the uncontainable, who contained the uncontainable God within herself for our salvation.To continue, our Churches show deified men; those who became gods by Grace because God became man. In our Orthodox Churches we can picture not only the incarnate God, Christ, and His immaculate Mother the Lady Theotokos, but we also show the saints around and below the Pantocrator; on all the walls of the Church we paint the results of God’s incarnation: sainted and deified men.Thus, when we enter an Orthodox Church and see the beautiful holy icons, this is an im-mediate experience through which we learn what God’s plan is for man; what is the purpose of our life.Everything in the Church talks to us about the incarnation of God and the Theosis of man!
earth; it tells us that the Lord “bent down theHeavens and descended.” The Evangelist St. John writes that God became man “and dwelt among us” (John 1:14).
So, we represent the Theotokos in the apse of the altar to show that God comes to earth and to men through her, because He became man
through the Theotokos. She is “the bridge by which God descended,” and again, “she who conducts those of earth to Heaven,” the Platytera of the Heavens, the space of the uncontainable, who contained the uncontainable God within herself for our salvation.To continue, our Churches show deified men; those who became gods by Grace because God became man. In our Orthodox Churches we can picture not only the incarnate God, Christ, and His immaculate Mother the Lady Theotokos, but we also show the saints around and below the Pantocrator; on all the walls of the Church we paint the results of God’s incarnation: sainted and deified men.Thus, when we enter an Orthodox Church and see the beautiful holy icons, this is an im-mediate experience through which we learn what God’s plan is for man; what is the purpose of our life.Everything in the Church talks to us about the incarnation of God and the Theosis of man!
Cobus...i'm just going to keep posting this everytime you go off on a perfectionist/sinless perfection tangent.
perfectionism (of man in this life) that you believe and teach borders on blasphemy...i have seen it repeatedly in your musings...because the wrong conclusion you are forced to arrive at means you will be a god.
this is unacceptable. you really have to stop it, because it is dishonoring The Trinity - The Absolutely Perfect (in the sense you use it), by you bringing His Perfection down to the level of your (our) performance.
shun sin; deal with it ruthlessly; cut it out of your life; strive to conform to Jesus' character; but never confuse your own righteousness with His.
perfect (teleios) when used of God (only) means in an absolute sense.
when used of man, it means complete (see below). and that completion; maturity is what we strive for.
when comparing God and man (Matthew 5:48), with God it is absolute, whether conveying Completion; Fullness; Holiness; Love or any other attribute of His.
the subject is revealed within its context. the subject will vary, though the word teleios appears in many contexts.
the adjective teleios (when used of man) modifies the noun or pronoun (you; he, she; etc)...you will see that it can never mean something like what you suggest: that men will be gods.
you know there is only One God. if you haven't gotten anything else from the Bible, this is the one thing you must grasp.
[following this post are LINKS TO 2 short writings which should show you why it is wrong for you to continue to believe and teach perfectionism (of men in this life). please read them Cobus; study what they say and prayerfully seek God on this matter.
you really want to turn back from the false teaching of perfectionism (in this life): it leads to a kind of delusion that is very difficult to come out of, because it is idolatry of a kind - believing you are divine, or will be divine or will be a god, or God Himself. it happens all the time with perfectionists - they end up claiming to be God!]
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5046. teleios
- in an absolute sense, of God: Matthew 5:48
- of men:
- full-grown, adult; of full age, mature
- as respects understanding and goodness
- of mind and character, one who has reached the proper height of virtue and integrity
- more intelligent, ready to apprehend divine things
- to rise to the same level of knowledge which we ascribe to a full-grown man
- likened to a full-grown man
- consummate human integrity and virtue
- genuine and sincere
examples, when used of men:
Hebrews 5:14
13For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. 14But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.
Ephesians 4:13b
attain mature adulthood and the full standard of development in the Messiah.
1 John 4
12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
1 Corinthians 2:6
Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away.
1 Corinthians 14:20
Brothers, stop being childish in your thinking. Be like infants with respect to evil, but think like adults.
Colossians 1:28
We proclaim Him, warning and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone mature in Christ.
1 John 4
13This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.
here please study and see what it means to be led by the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit is not feeble in His Commission to lead you to completeness; maturity; transforming you; making you mature in Christ:
Romans 8
14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God
led
71. agó
Thayer's Greek: 71. ἄγω (agó) -- to lead, bring, carry
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i hope you will take notice Cobus.
you will see this post again, i'm guessing.
please don't just post back with the same errors about perfect; perfectionism; you having no sin; and/or you being god or godlike.
i'll just repost these posts.
zone
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continued...in following post:
why it is wrong and dishonoring for you to continue to believe and teach perfectionism (of man in this life) - which places you on equal footing with Jesus Christ in His Perfection...
Cobus:
continued...from previous post:
why it is wrong and dishonoring for you to continue to believe and teach perfectionism (of man in this life) - which places you on equal footing with Jesus Christ in His Perfection...
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The Heresy of Perfectionism
An ancient heresy of the distinction between two types of Christians, carnal and Spirit-filled, is the heresy of perfectionism. Perfectionism teaches that there is a class of Christians who achieve moral perfection in this life. To be sure, credit is given to the Holy Spirit as the agent who brings total victory over sin to the Christian. But there is a kind of elitism in perfectionism, a feeling that those who have achieved perfection are somehow greater than other Christians. The “perfect” ones do not officially—take credit for their state, but smugness and pride have a way of creeping in.
The peril of perfectionism is that it seriously distorts the human mind. Imagine the contortions through which we must put ourselves to delude us into thinking that we have in fact achieved a state of sinlessness.
Inevitably the error of perfectionism breeds one, or usually two, deadly delusions. To convince ourselves that we have achieved sinlessness, we must either suffer from a radical overestimation of our moral performance or we must seriously underestimate the requirements of God’s law. The irony of perfectionism is this: Though it seeks to distance itself from antinomianism, it relentlessly and inevitably comes full circle to the same error.....
The Heresy of Perfectionism by R.C. Sproul | Ligonier Ministries Blog < click for short writing
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The False Doctrine of Perfectionism
1 John 1:8-10
Introductory Thoughts
The problem of balance in this doctrinal area
Extreme Views:
First Extreme View: No holiness, or, “Holiness, what is that?” Many in the churches believe that a consistent Christian lifestyle is optional. They believe in conduct-neutral Christianity.
Second extreme view—Perfection (much rarer today)
· The True Doctrine—God is Light - 1 John 1:5
· The First False Doctrine we looked at—Antinomianism 1:6-7. Antinomianism is against all law, is against any ethical requirement for the Christian. It teaches that the evidence of a person’s life is irrelevant.
· The True Alternative Doctrine—1:7
Now we deal with the false doctrine of perfectionism.....
Striking the Balance < click for short writing
continued...from previous post:
why it is wrong and dishonoring for you to continue to believe and teach perfectionism (of man in this life) - which places you on equal footing with Jesus Christ in His Perfection...
...
The Heresy of Perfectionism
An ancient heresy of the distinction between two types of Christians, carnal and Spirit-filled, is the heresy of perfectionism. Perfectionism teaches that there is a class of Christians who achieve moral perfection in this life. To be sure, credit is given to the Holy Spirit as the agent who brings total victory over sin to the Christian. But there is a kind of elitism in perfectionism, a feeling that those who have achieved perfection are somehow greater than other Christians. The “perfect” ones do not officially—take credit for their state, but smugness and pride have a way of creeping in.
The peril of perfectionism is that it seriously distorts the human mind. Imagine the contortions through which we must put ourselves to delude us into thinking that we have in fact achieved a state of sinlessness.
Inevitably the error of perfectionism breeds one, or usually two, deadly delusions. To convince ourselves that we have achieved sinlessness, we must either suffer from a radical overestimation of our moral performance or we must seriously underestimate the requirements of God’s law. The irony of perfectionism is this: Though it seeks to distance itself from antinomianism, it relentlessly and inevitably comes full circle to the same error.....
The Heresy of Perfectionism by R.C. Sproul | Ligonier Ministries Blog < click for short writing
....
The False Doctrine of Perfectionism
1 John 1:8-10
Introductory Thoughts
The problem of balance in this doctrinal area
Extreme Views:
First Extreme View: No holiness, or, “Holiness, what is that?” Many in the churches believe that a consistent Christian lifestyle is optional. They believe in conduct-neutral Christianity.
Second extreme view—Perfection (much rarer today)
· The True Doctrine—God is Light - 1 John 1:5
· The First False Doctrine we looked at—Antinomianism 1:6-7. Antinomianism is against all law, is against any ethical requirement for the Christian. It teaches that the evidence of a person’s life is irrelevant.
· The True Alternative Doctrine—1:7
Now we deal with the false doctrine of perfectionism.....
Striking the Balance < click for short writing
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The Church: The Place of Man’s Theosis
Those who wish to unite with Jesus Christ, and, through Christ, with God the Father, recognise that this union is realised in the body of Christ, which is our Holy Orthodox Church. Of course, this Union is not with the Divine essence but with the deified human nature of Christ. But this union with Christ is not external, nor is it simply moral.We are not followers of Christ in the way that one might perhaps follow a philosopher or
a teacher. We are members of Christ’s body, theChurch. The Church is the body of Christ, the real body, not a moral one, as some mistaken theologians have written, not having looked deeply enough into the spirit of the Holy Church. Despite our unworthiness and sinfulness, Christ
takes us Christians and incorporates us into His body. He makes us members of Himself. We become real members of Christ, not just followers of a code of morality. As the Apostle Paul puts it, “We are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones” (Ephesians 5:30).
Certainly, depending on the spiritual state of Christians, they are sometimes living members of Christ’s body, at other times they are dead. Even as dead members, we still do not cease to be members of Christ’s body. For example, someone who is baptised has become a member of Christ’s body. If he does not confess, does not take Communion, does not live a spiritual life, he is a dead member of Christ’s body, but when he repents, he immediately receives di-vine life. This permeates him and he becomes a living member of Christ’s body. Someone like this does not need to be re-baptised. Someone who has never been baptised, however, is not a member of Christ’s body even if he lives a moral life according to human standards. In order to become a member of Christ’s body, in order to be incorporated into Christ, he needs to be baptised.Since we are members of Christ’s body, Christ’s life is offered to us and becomes our life. So we are enlivened, saved, and deified, yet we could not be deified if Christ did not make us members of His body; we could not be saved if the Holy Mysteries of the Church did not exist. These make us one body with Christ, and as, according to the Church Fathers, we share the same body and the same blood as Christ... we are in fact one body and one blood with Christ.
Those who wish to unite with Jesus Christ, and, through Christ, with God the Father, recognise that this union is realised in the body of Christ, which is our Holy Orthodox Church. Of course, this Union is not with the Divine essence but with the deified human nature of Christ. But this union with Christ is not external, nor is it simply moral.We are not followers of Christ in the way that one might perhaps follow a philosopher or
a teacher. We are members of Christ’s body, theChurch. The Church is the body of Christ, the real body, not a moral one, as some mistaken theologians have written, not having looked deeply enough into the spirit of the Holy Church. Despite our unworthiness and sinfulness, Christ
takes us Christians and incorporates us into His body. He makes us members of Himself. We become real members of Christ, not just followers of a code of morality. As the Apostle Paul puts it, “We are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones” (Ephesians 5:30).
Certainly, depending on the spiritual state of Christians, they are sometimes living members of Christ’s body, at other times they are dead. Even as dead members, we still do not cease to be members of Christ’s body. For example, someone who is baptised has become a member of Christ’s body. If he does not confess, does not take Communion, does not live a spiritual life, he is a dead member of Christ’s body, but when he repents, he immediately receives di-vine life. This permeates him and he becomes a living member of Christ’s body. Someone like this does not need to be re-baptised. Someone who has never been baptised, however, is not a member of Christ’s body even if he lives a moral life according to human standards. In order to become a member of Christ’s body, in order to be incorporated into Christ, he needs to be baptised.Since we are members of Christ’s body, Christ’s life is offered to us and becomes our life. So we are enlivened, saved, and deified, yet we could not be deified if Christ did not make us members of His body; we could not be saved if the Holy Mysteries of the Church did not exist. These make us one body with Christ, and as, according to the Church Fathers, we share the same body and the same blood as Christ... we are in fact one body and one blood with Christ.
Divinization
St. Athanasius of Alexandria wrote, "For He was made man that we might be made God".[5] His statement is an apt description of the doctrine. What would otherwise seem absurd—that fallen, sinful man may become holy as God is holy—has been made possible through Jesus Christ, who is God incarnate. Naturally, the crucial Christian assertion, that God is One, sets an absolute limit on the meaning of theosis: as it is not possible for any created being to become God ontologically, or even a necessary part of God (of the three existences of God called hypostasis). As a created being can not become Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit nor the Father of the trinity.[6]
Most specifically creatures (created beings) can not become God in his transcendent essence (called ousia), hyper-being (see apophaticism). Such a concept would be the henosis or absorption, fusion into God of Greek pagan philosophy. However, every being and reality itself is considered as composed of the immanent energy (Energeia) of God. As energy is the actuality of God (his immanence), from God's being or ontology, it is also the activity of God. Thus avoiding pantheism while partially accepting Neoplatonism's terms and general concepts (but not the actual philosophy see Plotinus).[7]
St. Maximus the Confessor wrote, "A sure warrant for looking forward with hope to deification of human nature is provided by the incarnation of God, which makes man god to the same degree as God himself became man
Theosis (Eastern Orthodox theology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Deuteronomy 32:39a
"See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me.
Psalm 18:31
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
Colossians 2
7 having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude. 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form
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your are still purdy. You talk about this and that. I talk about the cross. whats wrong with that, sasquatch. Did you eat your jerky today. I love that you love God, your Lutheran teachings are holding you back preacher. I know of your ailments and I have prayed for you. When will you see the cross sasquatch.
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Study what previous teachers have taught or study what Jesus taught and that is the cross,Its what Paul taught and He was successful, why preach anything else?
The Holy Spirit is not feeble in His Commission to lead you to completeness; maturity; transforming you; making you mature in Christ:
Zonie AGAIN yor own words.... The Holy Spirit LEADS TO COMPLETENESS.... MATURITY... MATURE IN CHRIST....
Now I ask is the MATURE IN CHRIST PERFECT OR NOT? Are the people that the HOLY SPIRIT LEAD TO COMPLETENESS PERFECT OR NOT?
Are MATURITY IN CHRIST STILL SINNERS? Or are they STILL TO BE LEAD BY HIM?
Stop thinking of the one that the Holy Spirit still HAVE TO LEAD TO MATURITY... Thisk of a person that IS MATURE IN CHRIST, onw that IS LEAD ALL THE WWAY TO MATURITY... The Holy Spirit CANNOT lead him no more.... HE CANNOT be MORE MATURE.... He is in the SAME Measure of Jesus, the Same Stature of Jesus, the same FULNESS of Jesus...
Zone how does the COMPLETE MAN LOOK LIKE? Not the one that still NEED to grow to maturity.... THE FULL MATURE PERSON THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT FINISHED TO LEAD.... Is that man PERFECT or NOT?
What does the COMPLETE MAN LOOK LIKE?
Zonie AGAIN yor own words.... The Holy Spirit LEADS TO COMPLETENESS.... MATURITY... MATURE IN CHRIST....
Now I ask is the MATURE IN CHRIST PERFECT OR NOT? Are the people that the HOLY SPIRIT LEAD TO COMPLETENESS PERFECT OR NOT?
Are MATURITY IN CHRIST STILL SINNERS? Or are they STILL TO BE LEAD BY HIM?
Stop thinking of the one that the Holy Spirit still HAVE TO LEAD TO MATURITY... Thisk of a person that IS MATURE IN CHRIST, onw that IS LEAD ALL THE WWAY TO MATURITY... The Holy Spirit CANNOT lead him no more.... HE CANNOT be MORE MATURE.... He is in the SAME Measure of Jesus, the Same Stature of Jesus, the same FULNESS of Jesus...
Zone how does the COMPLETE MAN LOOK LIKE? Not the one that still NEED to grow to maturity.... THE FULL MATURE PERSON THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT FINISHED TO LEAD.... Is that man PERFECT or NOT?
What does the COMPLETE MAN LOOK LIKE?
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Okay purdy. why is that wrong if your purdy then your purdy, no sexual thing intended. I got scolded for calling elisabeth purdy. Man you just can't say anything can you sasquatch?
okay Cobus.
you win.
Christians are to reach sinless perfection - godhood, in this life.
status equal to Jesus Christ.
The Holy Spirit finishes perfecting; deifying the perfect man who is presumably glorified, in this life.
then that perfected man gets old (and sick?) and DIES.
yes, perfect and glorified.
but goes into the grave.
forget it.
i'm done.
you love your sin and are looking for an excuse to keep it.
perfection (which you'll never attain in this life) is the PERFECT excuse.
i've wasted way too much this on this already.
believe what you want.
salvation and eternal life isn't enough for you - you need to be GOD or you're not interested. you've stated that clearly many times.
see ya.
Let me show you what GOD says He looks like... Not the LEAD man, the FINISHED MAN..... The COMPLETE man. THE MAN IN CHRIST MAN....
Eph 4:13... Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Let me show another LIKENESS... Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Zonie how can I live GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD, IF GOD DOES NOT RESIDE IN ME? NO other way.... ONLY GOD IN ME CAN DO THIS... And GOD IS PERFECT IN ME, AS HE WAS IN JESUS!
I will NEVER BE GOD...NEVER...
God has a glory for HIMSELF THAT ONLY HE HAS....
AND GOD HAS A GLORY FOR ME THAT I MAY LIVE GODLY HERE ON EARTH, LIKE GOD DID IN JESUS... AS MAN!
Jesus as MAN is NOT GOD IN ALL HIS GLORY... THe WORLD cannot even contain God's GLORY AS GOD, but the FLESH can contain God's GLORY as MAN... And all who does CONTAIN THIS GLORY, LIVES A GODLY, PERFECT, SINLESS Life HERE ON EARTH...
I do not know whow this RC Sproul is, but HE knows not God.... HE is a FALSE Teacher, He does not believe much of the Bible... He obviously does not believe this concept.... godly, in this present world;
Zonie, look at this, and believe this.... God says we should live A GODLY LIFE RIGHT HERE.... So how WOULD GOD LIVE HERE IN THIS WORLD? GODLY or with some sin in it?
Zone READ the Bible, leave OTHER MEN WIT HFALSE TEACHINGS OUT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS... They that contradict the COMPLETE man KNOWS NOTHING... They are the decievers... God says those that live righteous, is as rightoue as He is righteous.... Is there sin in HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS? NOPE!!!!
Eph 4:13... Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Let me show another LIKENESS... Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Zonie how can I live GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD, IF GOD DOES NOT RESIDE IN ME? NO other way.... ONLY GOD IN ME CAN DO THIS... And GOD IS PERFECT IN ME, AS HE WAS IN JESUS!
I will NEVER BE GOD...NEVER...
God has a glory for HIMSELF THAT ONLY HE HAS....
AND GOD HAS A GLORY FOR ME THAT I MAY LIVE GODLY HERE ON EARTH, LIKE GOD DID IN JESUS... AS MAN!
Jesus as MAN is NOT GOD IN ALL HIS GLORY... THe WORLD cannot even contain God's GLORY AS GOD, but the FLESH can contain God's GLORY as MAN... And all who does CONTAIN THIS GLORY, LIVES A GODLY, PERFECT, SINLESS Life HERE ON EARTH...
I do not know whow this RC Sproul is, but HE knows not God.... HE is a FALSE Teacher, He does not believe much of the Bible... He obviously does not believe this concept.... godly, in this present world;
Zonie, look at this, and believe this.... God says we should live A GODLY LIFE RIGHT HERE.... So how WOULD GOD LIVE HERE IN THIS WORLD? GODLY or with some sin in it?
Zone READ the Bible, leave OTHER MEN WIT HFALSE TEACHINGS OUT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS... They that contradict the COMPLETE man KNOWS NOTHING... They are the decievers... God says those that live righteous, is as rightoue as He is righteous.... Is there sin in HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS? NOPE!!!!
Oh Zonie you are so close to see GOD. God says.... Blessed are the PURE at heart for they shall see God.... I know you will see God Zonie...
One more thing Zone, if you think I am hard on you, you should have seen me on myself about 12 years ago....
I Kicked against God and said out LOUD......GOD THIS BIBLE IS LYING TO ME.... But HE WAS NOT... I was just so lost in FALSENESS I could not recognise the TRUTH if it HIT ME IN THE FACE... Like they did to the TRUTH TWICE in the Bible...
The False hit the TRUTH preachers TWICE in the MOUTH. Jesus and Paul... Why? Like I would have... I ALSO would have hit Jesus in the mouth... Because I was under FALSENESS... But now? Now people want to hit ME IN THE MOUTH for preaching TRUTH...
Sinners will ALWAYS not like the Truth.... they sin because sin is against God, and God is the TRUTH... I LOVE God and the TRUTH, and so do you Zone.. You just need to know ALL the Truth and then you will be free... FREE EVEN FROM YOUR OLD SELF... that is how POWERFUL God saves... Oh please Lord give peace to my darling friend ZONE, SHE IS A WORTHY DISCIPLE LORD... She LOVES YOU, COMPLETE HER FOR YOUR GLORY GOD.... PLEASE! AMEN!
One more thing Zone, if you think I am hard on you, you should have seen me on myself about 12 years ago....
I Kicked against God and said out LOUD......GOD THIS BIBLE IS LYING TO ME.... But HE WAS NOT... I was just so lost in FALSENESS I could not recognise the TRUTH if it HIT ME IN THE FACE... Like they did to the TRUTH TWICE in the Bible...
The False hit the TRUTH preachers TWICE in the MOUTH. Jesus and Paul... Why? Like I would have... I ALSO would have hit Jesus in the mouth... Because I was under FALSENESS... But now? Now people want to hit ME IN THE MOUTH for preaching TRUTH...
Sinners will ALWAYS not like the Truth.... they sin because sin is against God, and God is the TRUTH... I LOVE God and the TRUTH, and so do you Zone.. You just need to know ALL the Truth and then you will be free... FREE EVEN FROM YOUR OLD SELF... that is how POWERFUL God saves... Oh please Lord give peace to my darling friend ZONE, SHE IS A WORTHY DISCIPLE LORD... She LOVES YOU, COMPLETE HER FOR YOUR GLORY GOD.... PLEASE! AMEN!