There are no sinful believers, but only unbelieving transgressors.

[ATG]

But no one keeps the 1st command 24/7

We already know that you don't do God's righteousness by your own accusation. And we can suppose the same for other sinners such as yourself, who also proclaim their continued transgressions of God's commandments.

And I've already sufficiently answered your dismissal of the saint's perfecting. I don't repeat myself to others that don't listen.

But then how shall anyone hear the preaching of the Lord's righteousness, if they continue to preach their own unbelief in doing His righteousness. And even laughing and mocking at a good confession of doing so?

Mat 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

If anyone will despise the Spirit of grace to repent not unto salvation from sin, then neither will they hear the preaching the Spirit's grace to do His righteousness:

Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that is doing righteousness at all times.

Heb 10:28
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We already know that you don't do God's righteousness by your own accusation. And we can suppose the same for other sinners such as yourself, who also proclaim their continued transgressions of God's commandments.

And I've already sufficiently answered your dismissal of the saint's perfecting. I don't repeat myself to others that don't listen.

But then how shall anyone hear the preaching of the Lord's righteousness, if they continue to preach their own unbelief in doing His righteousness. And even laughing and mocking at a good confession of doing so?

Mat 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

If anyone will despise the Spirit of grace to repent not unto salvation from sin, then neither will they hear the preaching the Spirit's grace to do His righteousness:

Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that is doing righteousness at all times.

Heb 10:28
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

once again,

if we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves.

You are decieved. and I will move on.. No need to beat a dead horse when someone pumps his chest.

 

[John146]

once again,

if we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves.

You are decieved. and I will move on.. No need to beat a dead horse when someone pumps his chest.

I am in Christ, therefore, I have the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Did Jesus Christ ever sin? That's me. Even though I may sin in this flesh, God sees me as he sees his Son...righteous and without sin. Should we sin that grace may abound? God forbid.

 

[Freed18]

The apostle john has a message for you
if you say you have no sin, you decieve yourself and there is no truth in you.

Not for me, but for those who walk in darkness.
Thanks be to God, I walk in the light...where there is no sin.

You want to pat yourself on the back. feel free.. don't expect the rest of us to bow down to you

The thought never crossed my mind.

Walk in sin is not the same as being sinless or perfect. without sin.

I agree, as sinners cannot say they have fellowship with God or His Son, (1 John 1:6), or that they have no sin, (1 John 1:8), or that they even know God. (1 John 2:3-4)
Those without sin, (those in the light that is God in Whom is no darkness), can say they have all of those things.

Yes there is
one who walks in sin is continually in sin, it was they live, they walk
one who has a moment where they stumble and fall is not walking in sin. they do as John said, confess that sin and move on.

One sin is all it takes to manifest a lack of repentance, whom one is born of, and whom one serves.

I have no doubt either. But he did not claim sinless perfection. He was humble before God..

You may be unaware of Paul writing...“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 6:18)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)
And...
"Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in anything ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you." (Phil 3:15)
"Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:" (Col 1:28)
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Tim 2:19)

So heaven will happen for you if you keep obeying

That is the promise made by Jesus Christ, in Matt 24:13..."But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Paul writes this to Titus..."They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16)
Are you saying those people will be saved ?

that's the law my friend. that is not grace.
Heaven will happen for me, because my savior died on the cross. and was risen, proving victory over death.

It is written..."Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt 7:21-23)

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

ThereRoseaLamb said:
We are ALL sinners saved by grace. Show me the words Christian sinner in that sentence!!

Since this is a site for Christians, then you need to declare yourself as something else, than a Christians sinner.

Ugh I'm so not in the mood for a troll tonight. Go back and show where Christian sinner was said in the sentence. It wasn't. Every single Christian is a sinner saved by grace. EVERY SINGLE ONE!

And when sinners say that 'we are ALL sinners',

The BIBLE says we are all sinners, and we are saved by God's grace, that's fact. Period.

without specifying only themselves ebing sinners, then they are condemning ALL people as being sinners like themselves.

Do you read and understand English? Is your first language? Let me know if it isn't so I can help you understand what is being said here.

it's the bad judgmentalism of people judging all others by themselves and their own works.

Right so quit doing it.

The least judgmental are the righteouds,

Then you aren't righteous because there isn't one person in this thread you haven't judged. You're not the first self proclaimed "non sinner" that has come here "preaching" the "I'm sinless you all are sinners" gospel. Unfortunately you won't be the last troll we see, but at least you could have tried to be original. This is quite boring.

 

[ATG]

The BIBLE says we are all sinners, and we are saved by God's grace, that's fact. Period.

The Bible says that all unbelievers are sinners on earth, not all people on earth:

Psa 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Which is why Paul quotes the Scripture, so that all sinners must repent to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, and His salvation from sinning.

Which is also why some Christian sinners seeking to justify their continued sinning, quote the Scripture without the first part, where God is only speaking of the unbelievers are ALL sinners, doing nmor good nmor right on earth.

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Some Scriptures written by Paul indeed need study to understand, but his quoting from Psa 14 is not hard to understand at all: All have sinned as unbelievers, and so ALL sinners are unbelievers commanded to repent for Jesus' sake.

It's also not hard to understand why some Christian sinners misquote Psa 14, in order to justify themselves, as if God is now condemning ALL people on earth, as being sinners like themselves. That's only Christian sinners evilly judging and accusing all Christians of being sinners like ALL the unbelievers.

Which is not surprising, since our Lord Jesus Christ warns us, that since He is falsely accused as a sinner, so shall His righteous servants be likewise falsely accused as being sinners also:

Jhn 8:48
Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?

Matth 10:24
The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

Nothing has changed between the Jewish sinners, seeking to justify themselves by accusing the Lord Jesus Himself, and the Christian sinners seeking the same by accusing the Lord's household brethren saints.

Then you aren't righteous because there isn't one person in this thread you haven't judged.

There isn't one Christian sinner on this thread, who isn't judged by the Scriptures given.

Nor is there on Christian sinner on this thread, that has addressed the argument of Scripture I give, which confiorms it's truth.

Therefore, since the words I speak are true, then those sinners judged by the Scriptures of truth, are judging themselves guilty by the words of the Lord.

Accusing the messenger, rather than being corrected, is a default way of accusing the true message, without showing it's not true.

Mat 7:26
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

You're not the first self proclaimed "non sinner" that has come here "preaching" the "I'm sinless you all are sinners" gospel.

You're not the first self proclaimed "sinner", that has come here "preaching" the "I'm a sinner, you all are sinners" false gospel.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The Bible says that all unbelievers are sinners on earth, not all people on earth:

Romans 3:23

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God... Comes from the same Bible. All meaning all of us have sinned.

Which is why Paul quotes the Scripture, so that all sinners must repent to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, and His salvation from sinning.

So that all people must repent, because all have sinned.

Which is also why some Christian sinners seeking to justify their continued sinning,

No such thing as a Christian sinner. But there is also no such thing as a perfectly sinless Christian.

so ALL sinners are unbelievers commanded to repent for Jesus' sake.

Correct, those who continue to live in sin are unbelievers or backslidden Christians.

. That's only Christian sinners evilly judging and accusing all Christians of being sinners like ALL the unbelievers.

No such thing as Christian sinners. Also no such thing perfectly sinless Christian. Only Christ was completely sinless.

so shall His servants be likewise falsely accused as being sinners also

No one falsely accused anyone, what I said there are no perfectly sinless Christians. That is a fact.

There isn't one Christian sinner on this thread

Fixed it for you.

You're not the first self proclaimed "sinner",

Oh, you don't get to change the words I said there fella.

you all are sinners" false gospel.

We are not perfect this side of heaven, YOU aren't, no one here is. Christ was the only one who walked this earth and was perfectly sinless.

 

[ATG]

Romans 3:23

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God... Comes from the same Bible. All meaning all of us have sinned.

The Bible says that all have sinned on earth. The Bible does not say that all are now sinning on earth.

Only false judgmental sinners say, that all must now be sinning with them.

So that all people must repent, because all have sinned.

Correct.

The few that repent of sinning against God for Jesus' sake, are now His righteous saints with their sinning taken away by the blood of the Lamb.

No such thing as a Christian sinner.

I've already addressed this personal confusion of someone calling themselves a Christian and a sinner, but not a Christians sinner.

Now you need to make up your own mind what to call yourself on you're own time, thanks.

But there is also no such thing as a perfectly sinless Christian.

There are the righteous Christians, the religious sinners, and the nonreligious sinners.

The first are the hot, the last are the cold, and the middle ground are the lukewarm.

Rev 3:15
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Correct, those who continue to live in sin are unbelievers or backslidden Christians.

Those who continue to sin against Christ, whether much or little, are sinners not believing in doing the righteousnes of God.

Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that are doing righteousness at all times.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Some unrighteous sinners are religious, and some are not. Some of the religious sinners name Christ, Yaweh, Allha, etc...to dall their sinful religion by.

No such thing as Christian sinners. Also no such thing perfectly sinless Christian.

Rev 3:15
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Only Christ was completely sinless.

Only Jesus Christ and His saved saints have no sin in Him.

1Jo 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him is sinning not: whosoever is sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.

All false christs named by sinners, have their sin in them.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

No one falsely accused anyone,

This is the same confusion as trying to be a Christian and a sinner, but not a Christian sinner.

Trying to judge all people to be sinners like yourself, without falsely judging all people to be sinners like yourself.

what I said there are no perfectly sinless Christians. That is a fact.

if there are no righteous Christians saints on earth at this time, then no one is saved and delivered from sin by Jesus Christ, and washed in His blood.

In your confusion, no doubt you've heard a voice at night telling you so...

Not a true voice nor angel is talking to you:

Gal 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

We are not perfect this side of heaven,

We already know you aren't. And those who agree with you, and you speak for.

YOU aren't,

Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And so, by your own judgmenalism, you've accused me of being the same sinner as you. I have not accused you of being the same righteous as me.

And also, you've preadched your sinful Christian religion, and I've preached the pure religion of the righteous saints.

I reject yours, and you can keep it for yourself. You reject mine, and I'll keep it for myself. Thanks.

 

[John146]

The Bible says that all unbelievers are sinners on earth, not all people on earth:

If all God had to go by is our thoughts that we have today and our words spoken today, we'd all be found guilty.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The Bible says that all have sinned on earth. The Bible does not say that all are now sinning on earth.

Only false judgmental sinners say, that all must now be sinning with them.

I didn't say that.

Correct.

The few that repent of sinning against God for Jesus' sake, are now His righteous saints with their sinning taken away by the blood of the Lamb.

We can stop the back and forth here. Are you saying Christians never fail? We never sin? We are 100 percent sinless?