There WILL be a Rapture… Ready?

[cv5]

This part made me... smile.


FWIW, I've been saying for several years (in posts here at CC) that I believe we are [and have been] in "the seven good years" which precede "the 7 bad/famine years [i.e. the Trib]" (like in the example of Joseph's 7 good years before the 7-year famine, Gen41:14-28, esp. vv.26-27).

And this is based more on the biblical math (so to speak) rather than on what we view going on in the world around us.



Here are just a couple of those posts:

-- Post #7 - https://christianchat.com/threads/t...-left-until-the-year-6000.194147/post-4344407


-- Post #15 - https://christianchat.com/threads/d...l-witness-the-end-of-time.201780/post-4671517



So, as you can see (based on my previous posts, even), I believe it will take place much sooner than "18-years away from now." Yeah, MUCH sooner.

But I find when I speak with others about it, I find a common thread among them: most people I've ever discussed this with, in person (one on one), and over the near 50 years of talking with people about this, most feel comfortable with [their] idea of it being "15 years" from now. Consistently. It's a funny thing I've noticed.

To better understand the magnitude of the Babel disaster, we COULD delve into plasma physics, Richtmyer-Meshkov instabilities, Mach angles, resultant superimposed waveforms and whatnot.

But frankly, I really do not think it would bolster anyone's faith nor edify the Church in any meaningful way.

For kicks you could read up on the "squatter man" petroglyphs. And study the very ancient megalithic cities (unequalled by latter civilizations) and why there is little to no record of their demise. And yes, the Giza complex and Sphynx are VERY ancient. Built with technology that the latter (Biblical) Egyptians simply did not possess. Flawlessly fabricated and polished utterly gigantic granite statuary is practically impossible even to this present day.

And that 10,000-ish BC number keeps cropping up. Again and again.

Oh yes.....and then there is this:
Not human. Definitely not human.

 

[Lafftur]

The false prophet and antichrist are following almost the same script as Jesus Christ and John the Baptist.

- Mothers will be cousins.

- false prophet and antichrist will be second cousins born 6 months apart.

- Astrological sign of the birth of the antichrist.

- Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem but the antichrist is born in Syria… he is the Assyrian spoken of by Isaiah.

- The antichrist flees Syria 1 to 2 years after his birth to Egypt because of a great slaughter in Syria… remember the Syrian Refugees crisis in 2013/2014…

- Then, it’s quiet until he turns 12 years old and has to be about his father’s business.

- Then, it’s quiet again until he turns 30 years old and suddenly enters the public arena…

- John the Baptist announced Jesus Christ; the false will announce the antichrist…. it will be the year 2042/2043.

 

[cv5]

The false prophet and antichrist are following almost the same script as Jesus Christ and John the Baptist.

- Mothers will be cousins.

- false prophet and antichrist will be second cousins born 6 months apart.

- Astrological sign of the birth of the antichrist.

- Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem but the antichrist is born in Syria… he is the Assyrian spoken of by Isaiah.

- The antichrist flees Syria 1 to 2 years after his birth to Egypt because of a great slaughter in Syria… remember the Syrian Refugees crisis in 2013/2014…

- Then, it’s quiet until he turns 12 years old and has to be about his father’s business.

- Then, it’s quiet again until he turns 30 years old and suddenly enters the public arena…

- John the Baptist announced Jesus Christ; the false will announce the antichrist…. it will be the year 2042/2043.

I think that you are on to something there......

 

[cv5]

The false prophet and antichrist are following almost the same script as Jesus Christ and John the Baptist.

- Mothers will be cousins.

- false prophet and antichrist will be second cousins born 6 months apart.

- Astrological sign of the birth of the antichrist.

- Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem but the antichrist is born in Syria… he is the Assyrian spoken of by Isaiah.

- The antichrist flees Syria 1 to 2 years after his birth to Egypt because of a great slaughter in Syria… remember the Syrian Refugees crisis in 2013/2014…

- Then, it’s quiet until he turns 12 years old and has to be about his father’s business.

- Then, it’s quiet again until he turns 30 years old and suddenly enters the public arena…

- John the Baptist announced Jesus Christ; the false will announce the antichrist…. it will be the year 2042/2043.

Evidently he will be an Israelite. The AC will be the "greater Judas", the primary type. Also the greater Saul, who is a lesser type.
The Jews would only receive an Israelite IMO.

Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another G243 shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
(G243: allos - another of the same kind, expressing a numerical difference)

Dan 11:37
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all

 

[Omegatime]

Yep. Very close.
However, to attempt a count from creation day? Well.....that is just not going to work, because using Ussher's chronology is pretty much useless I'm afraid.

But counting from the Ascension via Hosea 5 & 6 ? Sure. Definitely. But with windage.

Pastor Chronister is adamant about a divine pattern of "6" and then the "7". To which I agree in principle. But how this typology functions in the real world with respect to creation I cannot yet understand.

Because of this.....

Archbishop Ussher: Flood of Noah ended 2348 BC
Any version of the Bible: Abraham born 2322 BC
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Difference 26 years

There were great kingdoms in the world at the time of Abraham. Far greater than even a couple of hundred years of would allow given that here were 8 people alive after the flood. But merely a 26 years gap is patently absurd. To gain perspective, recall that 70 souls entered Egypt, and it took 430 years to generate a couple of million people. This with very high birth rates.

Even a slightly later date for the birth of Abraham (strictly using the 1 Kings 1:6 figure of 480 years) still yields a date far too close to the supposed date of the flood calculated by Ussher. All that is gained is.......113 years. Not close to enough.

Using the Vorlage/LXX gains over a thousand years from the time of the flood to Abraham......so this may indeed be plausible. But doing so SUPPOSEDLY ruins the "6" and 7th" typology that everyone demands.

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Complete NONESENSE
Abraham was the 9th generation after the flood. Only 26 years is a fantasy

You quoted Ussher-I am within 3 years of that date

Abraham born 2052 BC or 1948 from creation

 

[Omegatime]

Evidently he will be an Israelite. The AC will be the "greater Judas", the primary type. Also the greater Saul, who is a lesser type.
The Jews would only receive an Israelite IMO.

Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another G243 shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
(G243: allos - another of the same kind, expressing a numerical difference)

Dan 11:37
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all

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One of the few things you are correct about but he will not be a " greater Judas "

He will come from the Tribe of Dan and leapt from Bashan


Gen.49:16 Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel.

 

[cv5]

Abraham born 2052 BC or 1948 from creation

Not accurate. Sorry.
It is quite a simple matter to deduce the year of the birth of Abraham.

It is a much more complicated effort to find the "missing" 113 years noted in Acts and Judges that differs from the IDEALIZED sum of 480 years noted in 1 Ki 6:1.

https://av1611.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23974&postcount=4

All totalled.....we are definitely at a date somewhat earlier than 2300 BC.
In fact we can narrow the year down to well within 5 years or so.

BTW, the date of the Exodus (using the same techniques) arrives at 1605 BC. Much earlier than most people realize.

 

[Omegatime]

Not accurate. Sorry.
It is quite a simple matter to deduce the year of the birth of Abraham.

It is a much more complicated effort to find the "missing" 113 years noted in Acts and Judges that differs from the IDEALIZED sum of 480 years noted in 1 Ki 6:1.

https://av1611.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23974&postcount=4

All totalled.....we are definitely at a date somewhat earlier than 2300 BC.
In fact we can narrow the year down to well within 5 years or so.

BTW, the date of the Exodus (using the same techniques) arrives at 1605 BC. Much earlier than most people realize.

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Total Nonsense and you have no idea what you are talking about----

Exodus date was 2553 or 1447 BC

 

[cv5]

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Complete NONESENSE
Abraham was the 9th generation after the flood. Only 26 years is a fantasy

You quoted Ussher-I am within 3 years of that date

Abraham born 2052 BC or 1948 from creation

What is your estimate for the total population of the earth at the time of Abraham?

 

[cv5]

Exodus date was 2553 or 1447 BC

Yes, most Bibles quote that erroneous figure. I guess they just keep copying and pasting ROFL.

If you care to actually do the readings, you will find out that I am correct.

Start here buddy:

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"A base-line is needed to anchor any scheme of chronology: a date upon which everyone agrees. One date that is usually uncontroverted is the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in 586 BC ± 1 year. There in Babylon as a captive, the prophet Ezekiel in 4:1-5 records that Israel's idolatry had lasted 390 years from the kingdom division unto the fall of Jerusalem. This places the division of the kingdom as 976 BC ± 1 year at Solomon's death.

It is possible to cross-check that from the Scriptures. If the king lists in 1 and 2 Kings are taken at face value, using only the stated co-regencies and inter-regnal periods, then one can readily conclude that 390 years have indeed elapsed from the Kingdom Division to the destruction of the Temple. That is done chapter and verse in my handbook 'Creation and Catastrophe' page 74, and is reproduced here in the appended Table 1. Alternatively, a Scriptural authority such as Dr. J. Sidlow Baxter also confirms the calculation (see 'Explore the Book', Lesson 35, pp.120-121, Zondervan). He concludes that the Division occurred in 975 BC, in good agreement with the 976 BC ± 1 year stated above.

Now Solomon reigned for 40 years, and the Temple building started in his 4th year. If 36 years are now added to 976 BC, the date for the commencement of the Temple becomes 1012 BC ± 6 years.

There is another way to check the date of the commencement of the Temple construction. The total time from the start of Solomon's Temple to the time of its destruction by Nebuchadnezzar can be calculated as [1012 - 586] = 426 years. The Monarchy of the Hebrews lasted from King Saul's enthronement to the Temple destruction. This period may thus be asserted as [40 + 40 + 4 + 426] = 510 years. Saul was thus made king in 1096 BC ± 6 years. It is of interest to note that Dr. Lawrence Duff-Forbes, that great scholar of Scripture and things Jewish, actually lists the crowning of Saul as being in 1096 BC. He states from his studies that there was a resultant 510 years for the inception of the Monarchy to the Temple destruction (see 'The Vineyard', July 1991, p.3). Thus, Dr. Sidlow Baxter and Dr. Duff-Forbes reinforce the conclusion that is displayed in Table 1."

 

[Omegatime]

Sorry cv5, more garbage from someone I regard as a heretic.

 

[cv5]

Sorry cv5, more garbage from someone I regard as a heretic.

But he can do the math. He is a professional astronomer after all.

And no, I definitely do not agree with all of his views. But there definitely is some value there.

 

[cv5]

From what I understand, the Babel disaster was.....utterly immense.
FYI, the book of Job (events occurring some time after Peleg.....six generations if I recall) has a very clear record of catastrophic events. Very VERY interesting.

Sorry....mean to say six generations from SHEM.
One generation from Peleg. Joktan is Pelegs brother. Job is Joktans son.
So the Peleg disaster was in full swing at the time of Job.

 

[cv5]

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Complete NONESENSE
Abraham was the 9th generation after the flood. Only 26 years is a fantasy

You quoted Ussher-I am within 3 years of that date

Abraham born 2052 BC or 1948 from creation

According to YOUR calculations, Abraham was born in 2052 BC. Flood ended 2349 BC.
2349 BC - 2052 BC = 297 years.

In this 297 years, we had the Babel disaster, confusion of languages and the Peleg disaster.
The total annihilation of the true megalithic Babel civilization that was utterly wiped out, the memory of all of this, when and why utterly lost. All of the great bronze age near-Eastern civilizations already underway. Population of the earth in the tens of millions.

And then of course we have this:

10This is the account of Shem. Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad.
11And after he had become the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.

Game set match buddy. You are going to have to convince me and everybody else that Shem outlived Abraham.
And that Shem, being alive, and the greatest living patriarch, was ignored and scrubbed from the record by the writers of the Bible.

Long count Vorlage LXX all the way.
Smith-Henry-The-Case-for-the-Septuagints-Chronology-in-Gen-5-and-11-ICC.pdf (biblearchaeology.org)

Furthermore, using the formula of SUMMING the ages of the LXX patriarchs (****with exceptions**** were duly noted),
yields a date of the creation of Adam at somewhere around.....11,000 BC or so (I cannot remember exactly anymore, but close enough).

I cannot imagine a more faith-challenging assertion than a creation that occurred 4004 BC and worse, a global annihilation flood that wiped out literally EVERYTHING that occurred 2348 BC.
Frankly, I never did take any of those dates seriously, as I knew that there were more complete answers to be found.
And I found them.

 

[NightTwister]

Do not be deceived, there WILL be a rapture for the five wise virgins with extra oil and lamps lit, awake and be ready.

The last trump is the last net thrown out into the world that will burst because of the amount of fish… the last call and great outpouring is soon… awake, be ready!

The rapture will soon follow the last great outpouring of the Holy Spirit with the preaching of the last and final call of the gospel.., God is going to shake us to wake us up all over the Earth in every continent… and within 18 years…

The rapture will happen at the close of the Feast of Trumpets.

The time of the antichrist and false prophet will begin at the feast of the Day of Atonement… it’s not a “day” it’s an appointed time… we’re very close…. within 18 years… pray.

I love dates!

 

[cv5]

Tombs of Egyptian kings? Not a chance man.
More likely factories for making stuff.

All of this historical account.....wiped out. No records whatsoever.
The Biblical Egyptians were clueless. And THEIR construction was tinker toys compared to the true megalithic.

https://www.youtube.com/@thelandofchem/videos

 

[Omegatime]

Flood------------------------------------------------1656
Shem lived 600 years-------born 1558--------------------------------died 2158 ---all dates from creation
Arphaxad-----------------------born 1658--------------------------------died 2096
Shelah---------------------------born 1693--------------------------------died 2126
Eber------------------------------born 1723--------------------------------died 2187
Peleg------------------------------------1757--------------------------------------1996
Reu---------------------------------------1787--------------------------------------2026
Serug-------------------------------------1819-------------------------------------2049
Nahor-------------------------------------1849-------------------------------------1997
Terah--------------------------------------1878-------------------------------------2083
Abraham----------------------------------1948-------------------------------------2123

Shem died 35 years after Abraham ' good Buddy"

 

[cv5]

Terah----1878
Abraham---1948

Oooopppppsie.

Abraham was born when Terah was 130 years old. Not 70. Abraham was probably the youngest son, not a triplet.
A common error.

Gen 11:32
And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.
Gen 12:4
So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

So now, you MUST ADD these extra 60 years to YOUR date of the birth of Abraham,
which brings you to 2112 BC (which is still too late and can be easily proven so).

Sooooo.....now all that you have is a mere 237 years to ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY after the flood.
Eight souls and a ship full of animals. Thats it. That where we begin. And a ruined earth. No buildings, no farms, no nothing.

Does that sound right to you? You know, with the entire super-continent breaking apart and all of that?
And the entire world had their language changed somewhere in the middle of this 237 years,
with ZERO evidence in the written records of the nations? Evidently, this Babel catastrophe happened sometime around when Peleg and Job was born.

What about the extinction of the megafauna like mammoths and saber tooth cats and giant teratorns?
And yes, there are definitely records of humans painting these critters in caves in several locations. Definitely post-flood.
And yes, monsters like leviathan and behemoth, that Job knew, are not around anymore.
All these species FILLED THE EARTH, and then done and over with ALL WITHIN 237 years?

I think not.

 

[DavyP]

No one can set a date or hour on when Lord Jesus Christ will return. Jesus said only The Father knows the day and hour of His coming (Matt.24:36).

But we can... know the SIGNS that Jesus gave us leading up to His future return and our gathering. Those SIGNS Jesus covered in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. And those SIGNS are the Seals of Revelation 6.

In His Olivet discourse while upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples, and they asked what sign would there be for the day of His coming and the end of the world, Jesus then gave them (and us, His Church) seven main SIGNS. Those SIGNS leading up to His return are what He commanded us to be 'watching'. And Jesus gave then a metaphor; that day will come 'as a thief', as He further mentioned in Revelation 16:15 to His Church. And if the watchman had known in what hour the thief came, he would not have allowed his house to be broken up (i.e., broken into).

But no one still can know that day or hour of His coming, but He did give us the SIGNS to be watching leading up to it. And He commanded His servants to be watching those SIGNS.

So here's a WARNING about that: IF... you are not being taught about those SIGNS Jesus gave us there, then it means those teaching you either do not know them theirselves, or their church system won't allow them to teach about those SIGNS. In 1 Thessalonians 5, Apostle Paul is also covering a couple of those SIGNS Jesus gave leading up to His future coming. So beware of those who try to claim Jesus was not speaking His Olivet discourse for His Church today. Those men telling you that have been deceived by their church system.

The order... of the SIGNS Jesus gave in Matt.24 and Mark 13 follow the order of the SEALS of Revelation 6. So the believer should study those Chapters together at the same time.

 

[Omegatime]

cv5--Done discussing things with you. Do no studies of your own but use plagiarism to back up your garbage.

Greatest cult talker I have seen on here