There will be no Rapture!!!

[TheDivineWatermark]

TDW: He is not MARRYING the ppl in the Matthew 25 context!

Yes he is. That is literally the context of the parable.

No it isn't.

"The kingdom OF THE heavenS" (see v.1) is the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, commencing, in earnest, upon His Second Coming to the earth (Rev19 time-slot); This passage is one of several telling who will ENTER the MK age ("still-living" / in mortal bodies) upon His RETURN there (to the earth)--saints only (NO unbelievers will); These folks never lift off the earth.




Note that this passage (speaking of v.10) does not use the WITH-word "G4862 [UNIONed-with (Him)]" like it does of US in passages like in 1Th4:17 (and other related passages); Instead, it uses the WITH-word that is "G3326 [accompanying (Him)]"
-- https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/25-10.htm

(because they are not "MARRYING" Him... these are the PLURAL VIRGINS, just like the "bridesmaids" are; check out Ps45:14 "She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee." See the "plural"?? Those are not the one he's marrying/married to, in that particular text, see)





He's not MARRYING "the FRIEND of the Bridegroom"... nor the "FIVE [wise] virginS"... nor the "GUESTS [plur.]"... nor "the sons of the bridechamber"... etc...

He's only "MARRYING" the ONE He is "betrothed" to... the ONE "A CHASTE VIRGIN [singular]" of 2Cor11:2... the ONE "bride / wife [singular]" of Rev19:7 (not the INVITED guests [plural]" of v.9)

 

[presidente]

Yes I believe that will happen. But it will
Happen the way scripture declares it, not the way man images it.

As stated: when utilizing the Greek subject and object is of the utmost importance.

The subject is not rapture, or millennium or trumps.
The subject is where the dead are.

1Thes 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant#1, brethren, concerning them which are asleep#2, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

We are not to grieve because tge dead will rise from the dead at the end of tge age.

"Died and gone to heaven" seems to get more airtime at funerals, though I hear this passage read more. Scripture says little about tge state of the dead before the resurrection, though preachers at funerals can say much.


Btw I do not get what you are trying to say

 

[cv5]

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him (Beast) to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Why haven’t these saints been raptured?

Because they are not the Church. The Church is "one and done". Starts at Pentecost, ends at the rapture. The Church Age.

These are "tribulation saints" who COME TO BELIEVE post-rapture, because of the preaching of the 144,000 Israelite "virgins", the two witnesses and probably many other ways and means, including simply reading the Bible and recognizing that IT IS ALL REALLY HAPPENING.

 

[cv5]

Obviously I know that there are MANY MEMBERS of the ONE BODY!!

But it is called "A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR]"... not FIVE VIRGINS!


--see also Ephesians 5:30-31,32






(He is not MARRYING the ppl in the Matthew 25 context! though they are the "wise" / "saved" / saints / believers and will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies upon His "RETURN" there, just as the Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 ppl will!)

Likewise, Jesus is not marrying Daniel, Moses and all other OT saints.

When are these deniers going to read the book of Ruth and "get it"?

 

[cv5]

That is not from the bible. It is imaginary, fiction created by Pretribbers. The saints of the GT were not raptured because there is no rapture until the GT has ended. That's why the war against the church is waged by satan in the trib.

"That is not from the bible. It is imaginary, fiction created by Post-tribbers"

 

[cv5]

The scriptures say nothing about “these are the people who come to faith” you added that..
Also
Rev 13:7-8
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (KJV)

The beast is making war with the saints, not people who are going to become saints later.

Saved trib saints. Right there buddy. Saved by the washing of the Blood just like everybody else. Just like the Church. Just like OT saints.

Rev 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[cv5]

Rightly understanding prophecy demands wisdom.....

Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

 

[PennEd]

So the rapture doesn’t pertain to the saints of Revelation 13, but it does to others? And how are we to know which saints does pertain to?
You get to decide?

What do you mean the saints had not come to the faith? They are called “saints” because they are of the faith.

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

It doesn’t say saints that haven’t come to the faith yet. It says “saints” plain and simple. You are literally changing the word of God.

I mean, this doesn't seem terribly difficult to understand.

The Church, will be raptured. After that, the JEWISH 144,000 will go out and convert many of their Brethren, and I think it's fair to say, many Gentiles as well.

So these people ARE THE SAINTS that have been converted AFTER the rapture of the Church, and will go through the 3.5 yrs of The Great Tribulation.

This is also the pattern, or SIMILITUDE, given several times in Scripture. Most notably with Enoch getting raptured, representing the Church.
Noah and family representing the righteous going THROUGH tribulation, and the unbelieving rest facing God's wrathful judgement.

Could the Pre and mid trib rapture folks be wrong? Sure. But I loathe the idea that each person get's to use Scripture in some allegorical fashion as what enters their minds and imaginations. That's what the Amil crowd does.

Still my brothers and sisters. Let's not forget that!

 

[Truthnightmare]

Because they are not the Church. The Church is "one and done". Starts at Pentecost, ends at the rapture. The Church Age.

These are "tribulation saints" who COME TO BELIEVE post-rapture, because of the preaching of the 144,000 Israelite "virgins", the two witnesses and probably many other ways and means, including simply reading the Bible and recognizing that IT IS ALL REALLY HAPPENING.

First of all, what is the church? It is a body of believers. The church of Christ is the many-member body of the faithful. Ok, the Rapture doctors state that the Church is not mentioned after {Rev 4:1}, but then our Sunday-schooler opens his/her Bible to the last chapter in the book of Revelation, the sixth verse from the end of the Bible even, to Jesus Christ's last recorded words*, and reads:

Rev 22:16 (Jesus' last recorded words*)
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (KJV)

I mean, this doesn't seem terribly difficult to understand.

The Church, will be raptured. After that, the JEWISH 144,000 will go out and convert many of their Brethren, and I think it's fair to say, many Gentiles as well.

So these people ARE THE SAINTS that have been converted AFTER the rapture of the Church, and will go through the 3.5 yrs of The Great Tribulation.

This is also the pattern, or SIMILITUDE, given several times in Scripture. Most notably with Enoch getting raptured, representing the Church.
Noah and family representing the righteous going THROUGH tribulation, and the unbelieving rest facing God's wrathful judgement.

Could the Pre and mid trib rapture folks be wrong? Sure. But I loathe the idea that each person get's to use Scripture in some allegorical fashion as what enters their minds and imaginations. That's what the Amil crowd does.

Still my brothers and sisters. Let's not forget that!

The notions are not based on scripture, or language. The word “Air as utilized doesn’t refer to oxygen and nitrogen. And the Greek is clear. But people don’t care about the Greek.
It’s a new age itchy ear proposal.

 

[cv5]

First of all, what is the church?

The question is:

WHEN is the Church.

And show me any place in Revelation chapter 6 thru 19 and where the term "Christian" or "Church" is mentioned.
And who are the 24 Elders of Rev 4 & 5? Remember, ch 4 & 5 come before ch 6.

 

[Underwhosewings]

AC - effortlessly miraculously defeated by the Shepherd of Israel Jesus Christ

These verses come to mind….

Daniel 2:34,45 KJV
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Daniel 2:44 KJV
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

[45] Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

 

[bluto]

No, "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" takes place upon the earth following His "RETURN" there (2nd Coming to the earth Rev19), and IS the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (or at least its inauguration).


It is not the purpose of "our Rapture" (we won't be "feasting" when we're raptured [/caught up]--that's not WHEN the "feast" takes place, nor where)

Actually there are various views on this subject. Some believe it takes place in heaven and others on the earth. Read the 4th paragraph from the following site: https://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-supper-Lamb.html It places the supper in heaven. Personally, (a post tribulation believer) thinks it takes place on earth.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[cv5]

Could the Pre (and mid) trib rapture folks be wrong?!

The more I study the matter, the more I conclude that the pre-trib rapture is Biblically boilerplate doctrine.
Not to mention hearing/watching the post-tribbers aimless inconclusive error-filled ramblings, which conclusively DISPROVE their case.

At this point I am "all in". For me its all over but the waiting part.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

There will be no pre or mid tribulation rapture.

CHuckle!!! Unless there IS ONE after all. Time will tell.

 

[DRobinson]

Why are you pre-tribers avoiding post 367 about the first resurrection?

 

[PennEd]

OK Read Rev 20 which explains the importance of being in the first resurrection, when it happens, who will be in it.
Now explain that away with your clutter.

Again. Seems pretty plain to me. If people can get out of their "thousand yrs just means long time" or, "We're in the thousand yrs now" or any variation thereof.

Jesus will, just as the angel Gabriel promised Mary, (yeah, that's not allegory either) physically reign for a thousand years AFTER the Great Tribulation, with the Saints that were raptured AND those that became Saints DURING the Tribulation.

A LOT of people will be born during that thousand year reign. At the END of the Thousand year Reign, Satan will be loosed, and he will deceive a huge number of those that were born during the thousand year reign.

Remember, those people will live for many hundreds of years Isaiah tells us. So there's going to be an enormous number.

At the end of that, Jesus will simply wipe them all out, and THEN the New Heavens and Earth and Jerusalem will be.

And THEN the final judgement.

There. You've been answered. Yet somehow thinking you ain't gonna like the answer.

 

[John146]

Why are you pre-tribers avoiding post 367 about the first resurrection?

Was not Christ the first to resurrect? The resurrection has three parts. It is likened to a harvest.

1. Firstfruits = Jesus
2. Gathering = the body of Christ
3. The gleanings = the tribulation saints

 

[DRobinson]

Again. Seems pretty plain to me. If people can get out of their "thousand yrs just means long time" or, "We're in the thousand yrs now" or any variation thereof.

Jesus will, just as the angel Gabriel promised Mary, (yeah, that's not allegory either) physically reign for a thousand years AFTER the Great Tribulation, with the Saints that were raptured AND those that became Saints DURING the Tribulation.

A LOT of people will be born during that thousand year reign. At the END of the Thousand year Reign, Satan will be loosed, and he will deceive a huge number of those that were born during the thousand year reign.

Remember, those people will live for many hundreds of years Isaiah tells us. So there's going to be an enormous number.

At the end of that, Jesus will simply wipe them all out, and THEN the New Heavens and Earth and Jerusalem will be.

And THEN the final judgement.

There. You've been answered. Yet somehow thinking you ain't gonna like the answer.

Nice try but you did not address the first resurrection.

 

[DRobinson]

Was not Christ the first to resurrect? The resurrection has three parts. It is likened to a harvest.

1. Firstfruits = Jesus
2. Gathering = the body of Christ
3. The gleanings = the tribulation saints

Are you saying the first resurrection began with Jesus and will not conclude until Jesus returns ?Don't you see how ridiculous that is?

 

[John146]

Are you saying the first resurrection began with Jesus and will not conclude until Jesus returns ?Don't you see how ridiculous that is?

Was Jesus the first to resurrect? Or those only found in Revelation 20? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?