Evidently you are confused.
Cameron143 said:
But I disagree that his motivation was selfless in partaking of the fruit.
Cameron143 said:
But I disagree that his motivation was selfless in partaking of the fruit.
There will be no Rapture!!!
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The operative, spiritual judgment of Adam and Eve was that they were “one flesh”. This superseded the physical evidence that they were two separate people.
Because of this, that God saw them as “one flesh”, had Adam not eaten the fruit he would have redeemed Eve by his faithfulness to God. God, by His own judgment, could not have removed Eve and kept Adam whole. By remaining true to God Adam would have become the Lord of all.
Because of this, that God saw them as “one flesh”, had Adam not eaten the fruit he would have redeemed Eve by his faithfulness to God. God, by His own judgment, could not have removed Eve and kept Adam whole. By remaining true to God Adam would have become the Lord of all.
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before Adam sinned, there was no death in him, because death only enters through sin.
so Adam did have eternal life - it wasn't something he had to 'attain' - but something he lost when he added death to himself by sin.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned
this isn't the same as the eternal life given to him, and to us through Christ, because we now have sin atoned for.Adam had life without sin, and the freedom to reject it. after he sinned, we all have death with sin, and the freedom to receive life through the promise of God, the finished redemptive work of the Son.
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if i warn you that this is poison, are you under a law against drinking it?
the apostle wrote saying 'be careful you don't bite and devour each other, or you will be consumed by each other!' - but we aren't under the law, or a covenant of works.
in any case God having warned Adam was prohibitive, not proscriptive. there wasn't anything he had to 'do' to have life - he was created with it: there was something he could choose to do, to have death. in this sense Adam was nothing like those under Moses.
the apostle wrote saying 'be careful you don't bite and devour each other, or you will be consumed by each other!' - but we aren't under the law, or a covenant of works.
in any case God having warned Adam was prohibitive, not proscriptive. there wasn't anything he had to 'do' to have life - he was created with it: there was something he could choose to do, to have death. in this sense Adam was nothing like those under Moses.
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Agreed. The real Biblical rapture is Post-Tribulation. It says so plainly in 1 Thess 4. Just read it. Believers will be caught up (1) only after the saints rise again and (2) the saints rise again on the last day (John 6:40). Therefore, the rapture happens only at the end of time.
"13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. "
"13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. "
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^ @cv5 , yep... that's pretty much exactly what I've been saying... (for many years).
Yeah, I believe it will correspond more with Jesus' FIRST ascension (on His Resurrection Day / ON Firstfruit--Lev23:10-12 / 1Cor15:20 / Jn20:17); and that His Second Coming TO THE EARTH corresponds more with His SECOND time of going up (Acts 1--which was "VISIBLE" in their sight)--with some "40 DAYS" intervening;
IOW, the PATTERN is consistent.
Yeah, I believe it will correspond more with Jesus' FIRST ascension (on His Resurrection Day / ON Firstfruit--Lev23:10-12 / 1Cor15:20 / Jn20:17); and that His Second Coming TO THE EARTH corresponds more with His SECOND time of going up (Acts 1--which was "VISIBLE" in their sight)--with some "40 DAYS" intervening;
IOW, the PATTERN is consistent.
Really the Rapture is a conclusive open and shut case.
There is no wiggle room. I just hope people will come to understand this.
Also.....the The 5 Fold Lies of Satan from about 50 mins onward.
Amazing truths.
https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/9101132540/
Uhm, those prophesies REPEATEDLY speak about believers being deceived by false prophets/teachers/leaders, to the point where they will depart from the faith. They also warn us to PREPARE for what's coming, not to try and stop what has been prophesied. I think keeping brothers and sisters from separating from their faith would be the most important past of all this.
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