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PlainWord

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No Evangelical Individual that I know personally, SETS DATES.

We believe in the PRETRIB, because ALL OF THE OTHERS OPTIONS fixed Dates can be establish because Antichrist makes a 7 year Peace treaty with ISRAEL. Therefore the ONLY OPTION when NO ON KNOWS THE DATE OR THE HOUR, is before that 7 Year Peace Treaty BEGINS.


Mark 13:32-33 (NCV)
32 No one knows when that day or time will be, not the angels in heaven, not even the Son. Only the Father knows.
33 Be careful! Always be ready, because you don’t know when that time will be.


The only reason for the Angels in Heaven NOT TO KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE, is JEWISH WEDDING TRADITIONS. Only the FATHER has the right to determine when the SON has fully prepared the NEW DWELLING PLACE for HIS Bride. Until HIS FATHER APPROVES, the SON KEEPS Building up the NEW DWELLING PLACE.

Matthew 24:36-37 (NKJV)
36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

You do not KNOW much about what Evangelicals Teach and Believe, do you ? ? ?

Just wild Theories and very little of them are actually true about our Beliefs.

BACK TO REPORTING THE NEWS ABOUT THE THIRD TEMPLE.
They are still doing it:

Jeane Dixon predicted that Armageddon would take place in 2020. She previously predicted the world would end on February 4, 1962.

Kent Hovind while clarifying there is no way to be certain, this Christian fundamentalist speculates 2028 as the "most likely" date for the rapture.

My dad was a Baptist minister and predicted Christ would return by Sept 1988. So I got married to someone I barely knew in August 1988 thinking the world was going to end soon. I then endured the worst 25 years of my life being married to the wrong woman. So, I know first hand how dangerous predictions of futurists can be. People have sold everything and went up on a hill waiting for the rapture. It's just nonsense. The rapture happens to each of us when we die. It isn't a one-time, group event. It applies to anyone who was still alive or not yet born, at the resurrection of 66 AD.

All of this predicting comes from the false interpretation of Mat 24:32-34. The so-called Generation of the Fig Tree was not Israel becoming a nation again, it was about her destruction in 70 AD. Jesus says, "when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!" The "these things" were the signs He was giving leading up to Jerusalem's destruction in 70 AD. In Mat 3, JTB says "Even now, the ax is laid to the root of the trees." "Trees" of course is a metaphor for the Jewish priests and religious leaders. John goes on to say, "therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." He was talking directly at the Pharisees and Sadducees about their fate. Jesus echoes this message in Mat 21. The destruction of the temple and Israel is found throughout the NT. It's all they could talk about, that and the return of Christ's presence to carry out that judgment, which He did.

The Bible is silent about the Israel of today, just as it is silent about anything in our future other than what becomes of us when we die. It certainly says nothing about a third temple. If they build one, stand back because all heck will break loose.
 

PlainWord

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This Video shows more proof that where the Dome of the Rock is, was ALL part of Fortress Antonia.
This Video was Posted Jan 10, 2019.

I agree with you here. Been there three times. The temple complex was completely removed. The reason they dug down after the temple was burnt to the ground was to recover all the gold from her ornaments. The heat was so intense, all the gold of the temple melted and flowed through the stones. The Romans dug all those stones up to recover that gold. There was so much gold found that the price of gold on the Syrian market fell 50%.

If the temple were built in the exact same place it would be 20-30 feet up in the air and a good 300 feet south of the Dome of the Rock, basically where the Al-Aqsa Mosque is today, except above it. The second temple was absolutely massive. It could hold a football stadium worth of people in the temple complex, all of which was considered holy where only Jews were allowed. The entire structure was completely removed, every stone was hauled away in perfect fulfillment of Jesus' prediction.
 

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Isaiah 49:14-15 (NKJV)
14 But Zion said, "The LORD has forsaken me, And my Lord has forgotten me."
15 "Can a woman forget her nursing child, And not have compassion on
the son of her womb? Surely they may forget, Yet I will not forget you.


Why are you bringing up an 8th century BC prophet who wrote extensively about the pending 6th century judgment of Israel at the hands of the Babylonians, then her subsequent forgiveness and restoration to her land? Isaiah doesn't even get to 70 AD until chapter 65!!
 

PlainWord

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My side has never been proven wrong!!


So, there are sides? Smh....
You don't see eschatological sides? Welcome to CC. We preterists have minor disagreements, full, partial, etc. I'm 99.5% full but still see some things in Rev 20 of interest. But we all pretty much agree most of the things like the tribulation, second coming, etc are in the past. The futurists disagreements run much deeper. They have pre, mid and post tribbers. The reason they can't come together on this is because they fail to understand that the Great Tribulation of Mat 24 was the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD and that Christ's presence was there to see Jerusalem's final destruction as He aided the Romans in their efforts. Many miracles which favored the Romans were recorded in history.

The futurists fails to recognize that the Almighty's presence came 4 times in the 6th century BC to destroy 4 places (Egypt, Edom, Israel and Babylon) using a foreign invading army as His tool each time. They don't realize that the "cosmic disturbances" of Mat 24:29-31 were also present during those previous 4 occasions. When the presence of God (or Christ since they are the same) comes into our physical realm, they do so with their glory cloud which blocks their extreme brightness and as a consequence blocks all heavenly lights, moon and stars, etc. While rare, we have precedence and the disciples of the 1st century BC would recognize this. This is why they asked for signs of Christ's presence so they would know when He was back.

One would expect Christ to be there at the end of the Jewish age given what they did to them. He told them what He was going to do to them when He returned. They were the ones hiding in rocks and caves from the wrath of God and the Lamb.
 

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Big difference, like east is from the west.

Well yes there is a big difference in that one group thinks that the MoS,mark image AoD, ect. is past tense(prior to ad70). While the other group thinks that those same events cannot take place until after they are raptured(post rapture), But neither of the two groups are watching for it to take place right now(present tense) because they place those events in either the past or the future. So then if they think that those things are in the past tense or,,, in the future tense but after they are no longer here, then why would they keep watch for those things at this time?
 

PlainWord

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Well yes there is a big difference in that one group thinks that the MoS,mark image AoD, ect. is past tense(prior to ad70). While the other group thinks that those same events cannot take place until after they are raptured(post rapture), But neither of the two groups are watching for it to take place right now(present tense) because they place those events in either the past or the future. So then if they think that those things are in the past tense or,,, in the future tense but after they are no longer here, then why would they keep watch for those things at this time?
We shouldn't be watching for those things. I'm not. Are you? We aren't even told to watch for those things. The Thessolonians of the first century were told to watch for those things as were others of that day. If those events would not come to pass until our future (2,000+ years), why were they told to watch? Heck, I'm not even worried about Nazi Germany and they were just 18 years before my life began so why would I give a rip about the AoD, the Mark or anything else that happened in the first century - other than the historical and faith lessons they provide?

Are we to worry about Rome invading us today? I worry more about China and/or Russia. The Bible doesn't say anything about America or Europe being surrounded by armies. It said Jerusalem was to be surrounded by armies and history tells us they were Roman armies which desolated them.
 

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We shouldn't be watching for those things. I'm not. Are you? We aren't even told to watch for those things. The Thessolonians of the first century were told to watch for those things as were others of that day. If those events would not come to pass until our future (2,000+ years), why were they told to watch? Heck, I'm not even worried about Nazi Germany and they were just 18 years before my life began so why would I give a rip about the AoD, the Mark or anything else that happened in the first century - other than the historical and faith lessons they provide?

Are we to worry about Rome invading us today? I worry more about China and/or Russia. The Bible doesn't say anything about America or Europe being surrounded by armies. It said Jerusalem was to be surrounded by armies and history tells us they were Roman armies which desolated them.

Yes as a preterist you see those things as past tense and so there is no need to watch for those things. If you remember we have had several discussions about who and what you see as fulfilling those things. That's the whole point of me asking about this because you are not watching for those things because you assume they are fulfilled even though you cannot explain them in their fulfillment.

On the other hand the same is true of the dispensationist(but opposite) in regards to those things because to them all that happens after the rapture. So to them things like the RFID chip is "leading up to", but always something in the future and not in force now. Meaning that to them the AOD,the image,mark ect. do not yet exist at present(because their still here) so why would they be worried about it either?

In post #1804 you said you are 99.5% full preteist but that in Revelation 20 there are things that interest you so then you see some of this future tense. Regardless of what it is, if you see something not having been fulfilled at present but that it would be fulfilled in the future then that is a futurist position is it not?
 
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Yes as a preterist you see those things as past tense and so there is no need to watch for those things. If you remember we have had several discussions about who and what you see as fulfilling those things. That's the whole point of me asking about this because you are not watching for those things because you assume they are fulfilled even though you cannot explain them in their fulfillment.

On the other hand the same is true of the dispensationist(but opposite) in regards to those things because to them all that happens after the rapture. So to them things like the RFID chip is "leading up to", but always something in the future and not in force now. Meaning that to them the AOD,the image,mark ect. do not yet exist at present(because their still here) so why would they be worried about it either?

In post #1804 you said you are 99.5% full preteist but that in Revelation 20 there are things that interest you so then you see some of this future tense. Regardless of what it is, if you see something not having been fulfilled at present but that it would be fulfilled in the future then that is a futurist position is it not?
Not neccessarily.

It appears to me that the mark and the revealing of the ac will be almost simultaneous.
Pretrib rapture believers refusing the mandatory mark will be arrested and held in huge facilities.
The rapture happening during that time.

The ac revealed and the mark are not the great tribulation.

But the opening to it.

The ones one arrested and detained and left behind,refusing the mark, will die.
The bible says so.

They are the 5 foolish virgins.

Jesus came back too early. They were not prepared.
They did not take imminancy serious.

They will tell us pretribs in the facilities "ha,ha where is your stupid rediculous pretrib rapture ???"

Then they get their answer right before their eyes.

Get ready
 

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Not neccessarily.

It appears to me that the mark and the revealing of the ac will be almost simultaneous.
Pretrib rapture believers refusing the mandatory mark will be arrested and held in huge facilities.
The rapture happening during that time.

The ac revealed and the mark are not the great tribulation.

But the opening to it.

The ones one arrested and detained and left behind,refusing the mark, will die.
The bible says so.

They are the 5 foolish virgins.

Jesus came back too early. They were not prepared.
They did not take imminancy serious.

They will tell us pretribs in the facilities "ha,ha where is your stupid rediculous pretrib rapture ???"

Then they get their answer right before their eyes.

Get ready

See Revelation 17-18 because the 5 wise virgins tell the 5 foolish to "go and buy oil from them that sell". So Babylon(that sells it) does exist when those 5 wise ones tell them this.
 
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See Revelation 17-18 because the 5 wise virgins tell the 5 foolish to "go and buy oil from them that sell". So Babylon(that sells it) does exist when those 5 wise ones tell them this.
It is a parable.
A story within a story.

Oil is symbolic.

Oil is a type of the Holy Spirit.

In the 7 letters to the 7 churches one is told "go and buy gold"

"Buy" and "gold" are symbolic.
Neither buying or gold could help them in their spiritual needs.

Same with the virgin parable.

Light
Lamps
Oil
Buying
Them that sell
Door
Virgins
Bridegroom

All symbolic
 

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Well yes there is a big difference in that one group thinks that the MoS,mark image AoD, ect. is past tense(prior to ad70). While the other group thinks that those same events cannot take place until after they are raptured(post rapture), But neither of the two groups are watching for it to take place right now(present tense) because they place those events in either the past or the future. So then if they think that those things are in the past tense or,,, in the future tense but after they are no longer here, then why would they keep watch for those things at this time?

I present the truth about ISRAEL, from a envangelical point of view. If you want to teach a whole new theory, then PLEASE start your own THREAD. Thank You.
 

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I present the truth about ISRAEL, from a envangelical point of view. If you want to teach a whole new theory, then PLEASE start your own THREAD. Thank You.
lol, The post that you quoted is a question(? at the end) can you answer the question I ask seeing you are teaching? People don't usually ask questions if their teaching.
 

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It is a parable.
A story within a story.

Oil is symbolic.

Oil is a type of the Holy Spirit.

In the 7 letters to the 7 churches one is told "go and buy gold"

"Buy" and "gold" are symbolic.
Neither buying or gold could help them in their spiritual needs.

Same with the virgin parable.

Light
Lamps
Oil
Buying
Them that sell
Door
Virgins
Bridegroom

All symbolic

It's interesting how you see this "symbolic" do you see Babylon symbolic also? If so the blood of the prophets and saints, does she kill them symbolically(spiritual death) or does she kill them literally?
 
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It's interesting how you see this "symbolic" do you see Babylon symbolic also? If so the blood of the prophets and saints, does she kill them symbolically(spiritual death) or does she kill them literally?
To me babylon is a bit of a mystery....like a hologram.
 
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It's interesting how you see this "symbolic" do you see Babylon symbolic also? If so the blood of the prophets and saints, does she kill them symbolically(spiritual death) or does she kill them literally?
all parables use symbols.

why do you find that unusual?
 

VCO

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It's interesting how you see this "symbolic" do you see Babylon symbolic also? If so the blood of the prophets and saints, does she kill them symbolically(spiritual death) or does she kill them literally?
We teach that any verse that makes since LITERALLY, should be LEFT in a Literal INTERPRETATION.

Including the Rapture - Because HE told people nearly 2000 Years ago to WATCH!

Matthew 25:13 (NKJV)
13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.


Including the 70th Week of Daniel happens after the CHURCH-AGE is FINISHED, because GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL.


Daniel 9:24-27 (NKJV)
24 "Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.
25 "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.
26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."


The 70th is not consecutive with the 62 week, that means something is in between the end of the 62 weeks, and the 70th Week, hence the CHURCH-AGE.

Ezekiel 16:42 (HCSB)
42 So I will satisfy My wrath against you, and My jealousy will turn away from you. Then I will be silent and no longer angry.

Jeremiah 3:12 (HCSB)
12 Go, proclaim these words to the north, and say: Return, unfaithful Israel. ⌊This is⌋ the LORD’s declaration. I will not look on you with anger, for I am unfailing in My love. ⌊This is⌋ the LORD’s declaration. I will not be angry forever.

THUS:

Matthew 19:30 (ESV)
30 But many who are first {covenant} will be last, and the last {covenant} first.

That is what we mean my Literal Interpretation, and that is the way we interpret literally. It does not matter that you disagree, we are comfortable because we believe the HOLY SPIRIT confirmed in in our hearts. SO I AM NOT GOT TO DEBATE ANYBODY ON A SUBJECT NOT PERTAINING TO THIRD TEMPLE NEWS.
 

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Simple Logic, If the sole Purpose for the Third Temple is to fulfill the Antichrist's plans to sit in the Temple of GOD, Perhaps GOD WOULD PREFER THAT TEMPLE BE ON THE WRONG SITE, when Satan's Antichrist sits down. Do you know the only seat in the TEMPLE is the Mercy Seat in the Holy of Holies.

 

massorite

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Simple Logic, If the sole Purpose for the Third Temple is to fulfill the Antichrist's plans to sit in the Temple of GOD, Perhaps GOD WOULD PREFER THAT TEMPLE BE ON THE WRONG SITE, when Satan's Antichrist sits down. Do you know the only seat in the TEMPLE is the Mercy Seat in the Holy of Holies.

Yes I do know that if the antichrist were to sit in a new temple and show himself as if he was God he would have to be stting in the Holy of holies. The antichrist will appear to fulfill prophecy just like Christ has already done. He will come speaking great words of peace, he will do miracles such as calling fire down from heaven, he will receive a fatal head wound and come back from death after three days and he will declare himself to be God. None of that has happened yet.
 

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Yes I do know that if the antichrist were to sit in a new temple and show himself as if he was God he would have to be stting in the Holy of holies. The antichrist will appear to fulfill prophecy just like Christ has already done. He will come speaking great words of peace, he will do miracles such as calling fire down from heaven, he will receive a fatal head wound and come back from death after three days and he will declare himself to be God. None of that has happened yet.
Amen, even so Come Lord Jesus. I am not sure if it will be called a Holy Temple.