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I FOUND THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF HOW TALL WAS THE TOWER OF ANTONIA. IT IS 75 feet tall.

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Holman's Bible Dictionary:

Herod the Great built the tower at the northwest corner of the Temple court to replace the Maccabean fort. The tower was 75 feet high and was named for Herod's friend, Mark Anthony. Although the name “Antonia” is not used in the Bible, several references from the first century Jewish historian, Josephus, describe the appearance and function of the tower of Antonia.
https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/eng/hbd/a/antonia-tower-of.html
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So 55 feet of it when over the cliff.

I seems like someone learned this information years ago, and forgot to tell the rest of us.
 

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No one ever thought of the Colonnades being at a slant, and that count for it being 600 feet, instead of 525 feet.

READY OR NOT, IT IS ALMOST TIME TO GO HOME.

It is not enough to have faith in your HEAD, even the demons have that kind of faith.

GENIUNE FAITH COMES FROM GOD AS A GIFT, and you will KNOW IT IS IN YOUR HEART, that you TRULY BELIEVE.
 

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In this study, I have proven a lot of things.

I have proven that JOSEPHUS while growing up, was a member of the Ascetic Jewish sect, which including strict observance of the Law, including tell no Lies. He was observing the Jewish sects of Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes the Hierarchy in Judaism. According to his own account, he was a very learned youth who by the age of 14 was being consulted by high priests in matters of Jewish law.

So what changed Josephus's reputation? He became a Christian, Called Jesus the Messiah, and took a job as a Historian in the Roman Army. He took his job VERY serious, and as far as I can tell, he was faithful to both the Jews and Romans, he told no lies or exaggerations.

The JEWS called him a Traitor, as still do not trust his Writings.

In one assignment, he walked from the Pool of Siloam, around the east pathway to where that path met the Eastern Cloister of the TEMPLE [Covered walkway], on the east side of the TEMPLE, on the way to the ESSENE GATE. At that point he noted the TEMPLE was on the OPHEL, (Ophlas in the language day), but it translates OPHEL. He noted where he was at, and that it was on the southeast corner of the TEMPLE, making it obvious that is was on the OPHEL all the time.

I also found two gates on the souteast side of the so-called TEMPLE Mount, walled up, that no one ever noticed before. Someone cut those trees down recently with a Chain Saw, near the Southeast corner of the so-called Temple Mount Complex. SURPISE, those two gates have been hidden behind those two bushy trees all along. So I started a search if they could be the lost entrance to the Stables for horses. YES THERE WERE. And if found a few pictures that had to be taken, during Israel's victory over the 6 Day War. So Israel was in charge only 6 days after that 6 day war, and then Israel gave back to the Jordan. One of those pictures showed those two gates from the inside.
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Roman Law dictates every Horse has to be stabled in the SAME BUILDING as the Cavalry slept in. And Roman Law, dictated 300 Horses and Cavalry had to be assigned to every LEGION. So the pictures gave me another idea, figure out how much space every horse needed in a stall, and then figure out how many would fit in that one room on ground level. I got a good idea from pictures of those Stables, which I never expected to find, and therefore, I proceeded to find out. IT WAS EXACTLY 300 Horses, after my first estimate on the width proved to be wrong. Herod BUILD THAT FOR THE ROMAN X LEGION CALVARY, with the Bunks one floor above for the men to sleep. Yes, I only came up with 225, because I stopped well short of that Grey Domed Mosque. Found one picture that the looked the pictures again, and determined was further west, so I moved that wall west. And this time I got it right. I wanted to show the MINIMUM space you could house 300 Horses there. THAT IS ONLY THE MINIMUM, it could have been Larger. How did I come up with Stall Estimates? I grew up on a Dairy Farm, I know how large those stall ARE.

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I discovered lots more discoveries, than I thought possible. So, read through all the Post, if you want to see all that I found. But those two are the most important finds. I am TOTALLY CONVINCED. The TEMPLE was always on the OPHEL, and four Corners on top end to end, are NONE other than FORTRESS ANTONIA, home for 6000 Legionaires and 4000 support Personnel. And the Third MISTAKE the Jews made, was Forgetting the Mt. Moriah, was the Name of the Whole Ridge, THEREFORE, the True Mt. ZION, is the Central Peak on Mt. Moriah, literally ZION is on the OPHEL.
 

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Jeremiah 26:18 (HCSB)
18 “. . . ‘This is what the LORD of Hosts says: Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become ruins, and the temple mount a forested hill.’

And that's exactly what it's become. You can see the many trees there.
 

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Jeremiah 26:18 (HCSB)
18 “. . . ‘This is what the LORD of Hosts says: Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become ruins, and the temple mount a forested hill.’

And that's exactly what it's become. You can see the many trees there.
NO IT HAS NOT. It is STILL BARREN in the Middle, and HERE is THE VERSE you are trying to make it compare to:

Jer 26:18 (NET)
“Micah from Moresheth prophesied during the time Hezekiah was king of Judah.
He told all the people of Judah, The LORD of Heaven’s Armies says,
“Zion will become a plowed field.
Jerusalem will become a pile of rubble.
The temple mount will become a mere wooded ridge.”’

The Only picture that Fits that verses description is this:

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And according to Franny the Tour Guide in the City of David today, they both raised Potatoes. While the ridge on your THEORY is STILL BARREN of Trees.
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All the trees are at least 4 feet below the Dome of the Rock Platform.
Now let me share what I have learn through 4.5 Yes, is studying this subject. NONE of the so called Temple Mount is qualified to be the site of the TEMPLE. WHY ? ? ?

There is NO flat Ground on BEDROCK large enough on the so-called Temple Mount to be Ornan's Threshing Floor. King David paid 15 pounds of gold for it, and said it was a fair price for the Property. The Property had Level Ground on Bedrock, the Highest Price for a threshing floor. I remember that on one article I was reading online, it said was 90 meters by 180 meters, on top of Mt. Zion's flat top. It sound like an exaggeration to me, over 295 feet in width. So it could be narrower, such as 80 feet. Therefore, it could be Only the OPHEL (TRUE MT. ZION), just go south of Al-Aqsa Mosque, much lower than the original, since Prince Simon ordered the defiled bedrock be removed, but there you will find that level of a ground. The Double Circle in the middle, on the bottom graphics, is Ornan's Threshing Floor. I Tried all day and came up with nothing on the true dimensions of the TEMPLE.

Here is an edit of a top view of the area in question, and I am fully convinced that I have it right. I studied this for 4.5 years, and most of the surprise discoveries are on there. No, I do not want to debate this subject, if you want to come over, to my cabin, it is out back on one of the first few bends on the Crystal River, I think it will look like similar to this:
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Here is the picture that will show you what I believe about the Temple, and the home Fortress of the X Legion.

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All the trees are at least 4 feet below the Dome of the Rock Platform.
Now let me share what I have learn through 4.5 YEARS, is studying this subject. NONE of the so called Temple Mount is qualified to be the site of the TEMPLE. WHY ? ? ? Look at a topographical map of that area, and pay close attention to the bedrock. The type of Threshing Floor that KING DAVID was looking for was a bedrock based Threshing Floor. ONLY the OPHEL had a flat top floor such as that. People have forgotten that Mount Moriah was once the name of the WHOLE RIDGE, and I can prove it with Scripture.

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I do not know why the people do not want to study the rules of the TEMPLE, beforee they make up their minds on where the TEMPLE should be placed. There would be far less Biblical errors made. That Living Water concept, is just ONE of them. AND where did I get the idea that it MUST be on Bedrock. The PRICE King David paid is for the Best and Most expensive Price for a Threshing Field there is. A Threshing Field on DIRT, is the CHEAPEST Threshing Field their is. King David could have bought one for less than 1 pound of Gold, but HE PAID 15 Pounds of Gold. I understood that the minute I read it. Maybe it is because I grew up on a Farm in Nebraska, but their seems to be an awful lot of mentally City Slickers in this world.

But the way, can anybody show me a picture of a SPRING, on what they call Mount Zion today?

Here are the verses I promised you, and I want you to tell, me HOW both of them are TRUE, and without Mt. Zion being Part of Mt. Moriah (the whole Ridge is that name), therefore Mt. Zion is the central Peak of Mt. Moriah, so both can be TRUE.

2 Chronicles 3:1 (HCSB)
1 Then Solomon began to build the LORD’s temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah where the LORD had appeared to his father David, at the site David had prepared on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Joel 3:17 (HCSB)
17 Then you will know that I am Yahweh your God, who dwells in Zion, My holy mountain. Jerusalem will be holy, and foreigners will never overrun it again.

And here is what the Jews means by LIVING WATER, must come from a Spring:

Song of Songs 4:15 (NJB)
15 Fountain of the garden, well of living water, streams flowing down from Lebanon!

Jeremiah 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For My people have committed a double evil: They have abandoned Me, the fountain of living water, and dug cisterns for themselves, cracked cisterns that cannot hold water.
 

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Now on top of all that above, they want to Limit a LEGION, with almost 6000 Warriors, and 4000 Support Staff, (all kinds from Shop Keepers, Medical Staff, Repair Staff, Bar Staff, Food Staff, etc.), all because of Caesars RULES. That is NO ONE CAN SPEND MONEY DOWN TOWN in ANY JEWISH STORE. The Fortress had to be TOTALLY SELF SUFFICIENT, like a ROMAN CITY, Period ! ! !

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The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod's palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flavius-josephus/war-of-the-jews/book-5/chapter-5.html
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Now on top of all that above, they want to Limit a LEGION, with almost 6000 Warriors, and 4000 Support Staff, (all kinds from Shop Keepers, Medical Staff, Repair Staff, Bar Staff, Food Staff, etc.), all because of Caesars RULES. That is NO ONE CAN SPEND MONEY DOWN TOWN in ANY JEWISH STORE. The Fortress had to be TOTALLY SELF SUFFICIENT, like a ROMAN CITY, Period ! ! !

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The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod's palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flavius-josephus/war-of-the-jews/book-5/chapter-5.html
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100% accurate.
 

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I know, but FEW will ever believe it, they want to believe their false doctrine SO BAD, that they are BLINDED to the Truth:
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Artifacts found in Jerusalem, from the Roman X Legion:
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That is the Limit, but I have more, if you are not convince the Full LEGION Was there with almost 10,000 Personnel. Herod Build that Fortress for the Roman X Legion, and he was best friends with Mark Anthony. That Fortress was never intended to house the TEMPLE. TEMPLE was always on the OPHEL.
 

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I know, but FEW will ever believe it, they want to believe their false doctrine SO BAD, that they are BLINDED to the Truth:
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Artifacts found in Jerusalem, from the Roman X Legion:
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That is the Limit, but I have more, if you are not convince the Full LEGION Was there with almost 10,000 Personnel. Herod Build that Fortress for the Roman X Legion, and he was best friends with Mark Anthony. That Fortress was never intended to house the TEMPLE. TEMPLE was always on the OPHEL.
100% correct bro.
Keep at it with your posts. Rest assured I read every one of them and greatly appreciate your efforts.

If you have any links whereby you do you research please post them. Whatever you are doing, you are doing a GREAT job at this.
 

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Pretty compelling evidence that the Temple Mount in the real site of the Temple.
 

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What does a full Legion look like on the MARCH.

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They Marched in to Jerusalem because they had a FRIEND in KING HEROD, who built them a FORTRESS. A Fortress that held 10,000 Personnel, Fortress Antonia.
 

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-Josephus repeatedly refers to it as "the tower Antonia", and states that it had been built by John Hyrcanus and later by King Herod, and used for a vestry.

-Are there any Roman artifacts on the Temple mount? There are actual Temple roof pieces with inscriptions on them that were thrown down discovered outside the retaining wall that proved the Temple was atop the Temple Mount.

-The differences in the levels of the Temple Mount and Fort Antonia, which would have made it difficult to construct a fort on the site.

-The fortifications on the Temple Mount are consistent with the style and design of Jewish fortifications, not Roman ones.

-The dimensions of the Temple Mount do not match the dimensions of Fort Antonia

-The fortifications on the Temple Mount do not include features that would have been necessary for a Roman fort, such as cisterns, latrines, and stables...

-King Solomon built the Temple and its understructure long before the Romans. The Second Temple was built on the same Mount and in the same spot, before the Romans came to Judea.

-The fact that the Roman authorities would have been aware of the religious sensitivities of the Jews and would have avoided constructing a military fort on such a sacred site.
 

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Pretty compelling evidence that the Temple Mount in the real site of the Temple.
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The Works of Flavius Josephus:
Book 8, Chapter 5, Section 2:


2. This house was a large and curious building, and was supported by many pillars, which Solomon built to contain a multitude for hearing causes, and taking cognizance of suits. It was sufficiently capacious to contain a great body of men, who would come together to have their causes determined. It was a hundred cubits long, and fifty broad, and thirty high, supported by quadrangular pillars, which were all of cedar; but its roof was according to the Corinthian order, with folding doors, and their adjoining pillars of equal magnitude, each fluted with three cavities; which building as at once firm, and very ornamental. There was also another house so ordered, that its entire breadth was placed in the middle; it was quadrangular, and its breadth was thirty cubits, having a temple over against it, raised upon massy pillars; in which temple there was a large and very glorious room, wherein the king sat in judgment. To this was joined another house that was built for his queen. . . .

Solomon inherited his Father's Palace, Remodeled it to hear disputes and law suits, then built to more buildings out back on the Property, left one for himself, and the right one for one of his queens, Pharoah's daughter. NOW AS KING, WHAT TEMPLE DO YOU SUPPOSED HE WANTED OUT HIS BACK DOOR ON THE OPHEL ? ? ?

DID YOU NOTICE THAT ON THIS FACT SHEET FROM JOSEPHUS, which he said the TEMPLE was on the OPHEL:

But if we go the other way westward, it began at the same place; and extended through a place called Bethso, to the gate of the Essenes: and after that it went southward: having its bending above the fountain Siloam; where it also bends again towards the east at Solomon’s pool, and reaches as far as a certain place which they called Ophlas [what they called the OPHEL], where it was joined to the eastern cloister of the temple. The second wall took its beginning from that gate which they called Gennath, which belonged to the first wall. It only encompassed the northern quarter of the city, and reached as far as the tower Antonia. - Josephus The Jewish War Book V chapter 4
 

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-Josephus repeatedly refers to it as "the tower Antonia", and states that it had been built by John Hyrcanus and later by King Herod, and used for a vestry.

-Are there any Roman artifacts on the Temple mount? There are actual Temple roof pieces with inscriptions on them that were thrown down discovered outside the retaining wall that proved the Temple was atop the Temple Mount.

-The differences in the levels of the Temple Mount and Fort Antonia, which would have made it difficult to construct a fort on the site.

-The fortifications on the Temple Mount are consistent with the style and design of Jewish fortifications, not Roman ones.

-The dimensions of the Temple Mount do not match the dimensions of Fort Antonia

-The fortifications on the Temple Mount do not include features that would have been necessary for a Roman fort, such as cisterns, latrines, and stables...

-King Solomon built the Temple and its understructure long before the Romans. The Second Temple was built on the same Mount and in the same spot, before the Romans came to Judea.

-The fact that the Roman authorities would have been aware of the religious sensitivities of the Jews and would have avoided constructing a military fort on such a sacred site.
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I guess you never heard of the Ottoman Empire, who made SEVERAL CHANGES in the Structure.

And so did the Romans, when they Changed it to to look like a ROMAN CITY, called Aelia Capitolina

I told you the TRUTH, but YOU NEVER READ IT. Believe what you want to Believe.

The REAL Temple Mount was the OPHEL, and the Romans constructed to a TEMPLE TO JUPITER on the Very Suite as the Roman authorities tore down every stone in ancient Jerusalem. Then used the same stones to construct Aelia Capitolina.

You would do well, if you LEARN TO CHECK YOUR FACTS, FIRST.

THE TEMPLE WAS ALWAYS ON THE OPHEL.
 

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I guess you never heard of the Ottoman Empire, who made SEVERAL CHANGES in the Structure.

And so did the Romans, when they Changed it to to look like a ROMAN CITY, called Aelia Capitolina

I told you the TRUTH, but YOU NEVER READ IT. Believe what you want to Believe.

The REAL Temple Mount was the OPHEL, and the Romans constructed to a TEMPLE TO JUPITER on the Very Suite as the Roman authorities tore down every stone in ancient Jerusalem. Then used the same stones to construct Aelia Capitolina.

You would do well, if you LEARN TO CHECK YOUR FACTS, FIRST.

THE TEMPLE WAS ALWAYS ON THE OPHEL.
I'm open to changing my position when presented with more evidence. I have before.

I haven't read this whole thread, it's pretty big, and I haven't done a lot of research on the Temple being built on the Ophel.
If it was on the Ophel, why hasnt there been digs to find evidence of it (or have they?)