Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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Sounds like we agree. A holy saint may sin, but they can repent and get sorted.
Sin is the symptom of the broken relationship with God.
It need not be there. Many do not accept this, vehemently to the degree they will
say one is trampling on the cross, and are being an anti Christ legalistic, diy salvation,
the worst evil in the church. And they claim to be the ones who know Christ and the
rest are wicked evil deceivers. Quite an eye opener.
Soulish believers have a characteristic of being curious. They study biblical prophecies to know the things of the future that they may have the ideal information to satisfy their curious mind. Their apparel, speech, and conduct indicate that they have an attitude of being different and superior. They seek to achieve startling, instant success with many of their activities. Even before they believe in the Lord, they already have such an inclination, and afterwards it is still hard for them to overcome their natural life. They are not like spiritual believers who do not seek to understand any matter inquisitively.
Soulish believers do not seek to reconcile their experiences with God's teaching, but pay attention mostly to the understanding in their mind; that is, they like to reason. What saddens them the most is not that their experience fails to catch up with their ideals, but rather that they cannot understand with their ideals and their mind the spiritual experience they lack. Having the error of some kind of self-deception, they think that whatever they understand mentally is what they have experienced. Actually, this is a great error.
Soulish believers often have an attitude of self-righteousness, though sometimes it cannot be detected easily from the outside. They are very stubborn with their trivial opinions. We should hold fast to the major truths recorded in the Bible, but we certainly can let others have the liberty concerning minor points. Although we think our understanding is very clear and that what we believe is without any mistake, to strain out a gnat and swallow a camel displeases the Lord.
We should lay aside differences on small points and pursue the oneness on major points.The mind of soulish believers is often disturbed by evil spirits so that their thoughts become confused, mixed up, and sometimes defiled. In their conversation they answer what is not questioned, and their mind travels at high speed, changing topics every so often and proving how scattered their thoughts are. Even when they pray and read the Bible, their body is present, but their mind is far away. In their deeds, either dealing with men or matters, they do not think—they act without forethought. Yet when others speak to them about their conduct and how one should conduct himself, they can select similar incidents from their deeds to illustrate how carefully they consider and act according to principle. Occasionally, they indeed think before they act. The conduct of the soulish believers is often very fickle.
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I'm new here and really like the site. I have noticed more throwing of insults than ought to come for believers in Christ. Perhaps we all need to do a better job of applying the scriptures to our lives as someone once said interpretation without application is an abortion of the truth. I'm sure you know the many scriptures on this. Love is patient, kind ect....
Just saying....and for information purposes...You will find those who twist what you say, embellish, add to, misquote, partially quote and flat lie about what you say, believe and or post. Some are very excessive in this area.....God has called all kinds to spread his truth....some men used sarcasm and very pointed statements as I am sure you are aware of....just saying...maybe take the time, read many posts, get to know the circumstances and the players........just sayin
The Jerusalem Council
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: "Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."Acts 15: Conflict over Circumcision
that would be to all believer in jesus christ. \0/
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: "Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."Acts 15: Conflict over Circumcision
that would be to all believer in jesus christ. \0/
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There are some people who believe there mission is to rid the church of certain
ideas and types of people. They invent and read miles too much into innocent
stuff, and try and make people out to be truly horrible because of a few words or
ideas. In all honesty I think they need to choose a different hobby to follow, because
they have missed all the loving part of Jesus.
I have learnt a lot despite this, and the Lord has blessed me greatly, so amen, and welcome.
Welcome!
You may find some that will twist what you say to try to make it "appear" to be something else then what you actually said. Some make up things in their own minds and then "attack" this thought as if it is real.
Some of them who believe differently then you do in a subject will insult you by calling you names like delusional, satanic, a lover of sinning and a hater of those that walk righteously....junk like that.
These types we just ignore and not interact with them when they continue to exhibit this type of bad behavior. We patiently wait for God to grant them repentance so we can have an honest discussion with them in the future.
So, be of good cheer - you are in good company and we are all learning together.
You know...Jesus said to his saved, immersed disciples....
"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!
The bolded proves he was speaking to the saved....and he calls them evil.......because they were still bound in bodies of sin....
"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!
The bolded proves he was speaking to the saved....and he calls them evil.......because they were still bound in bodies of sin....
My friend, the disciples had yet to be baptised by the Holy Spirit. In one way they were
still under the baptism of John, until they became Holy Temples of the Living God.
Testifying to your lack of experience just declares you spiritual poverty rather than any
authority you think you have in Christ. I just praise the Lord the cross is so powerful
and glorious, we still have yet to see how it will bring millions into the Kingdom, to
praise Him in the eternal throne room of the King. What a great thing it will be to
see, beyond any film we can imagine, love coming to reign in the whole of creation,
Amen, glory.
Peter....don't engage me with your diatribe and ignorance of the word...
They were saved, immersed, called out and had power to heal the sick, lame, blind, raise the dead, walk on water and demons were subject unto them....and they are ALSO identified as a CHURCH no less than 2 times in the present tense.....
AND GOD IS CALLED THIER FATHER.....UNLIKE the LOST of which JESUS STATES concerning them they would do the works of their FATHER THE DEVIL
Your lack of understanding knows no bounds.....just a cake taker.....that's it!
ANOTHER truth applied during a time frame when saved, immersed disciples and Apostles walked the earth....The people engaged Jesus and called him GOOD MASTER...and JESUS said....
Why do you call me good, there is NONE GOOD BUT GOD.....IMAGINE THAT...NONE was the word he used...another verse rejected by the "sinless cake takers" and "workers for".........
Why do you call me good, there is NONE GOOD BUT GOD.....IMAGINE THAT...NONE was the word he used...another verse rejected by the "sinless cake takers" and "workers for".........
I do say that if we allow the Spirit to lead us,and we do not want sin,we can abstain from sin,but I will say that does not mean that we will not sin,for we are still in the flesh,and we should not get arrogant,and I might sin tonight,for I will not get cocky and say I will never sin as if it is a guarantee,for I am still in the flesh,but if I do not want to sin by the Spirit it is possible,and if people do say sinless perfection it is not so,because sinless perfection does not have the possibility to sin,and we are in the flesh,and sinless perfection does not even get tempted to sin,and there is no war in them like the war we have with the flesh and Spirit.Jesus is the only exception to being sinless perfection while being tempted,because He is the only begotten Son of God,the only human to be conceived by God,and God manifest in the flesh,so He was always led of the Spirit.
Seems to be propagated daily.....in some form or fashion.......just more deceit from the "workers for" and "cake takers'
It is a very popular lie. Quite a devious attempt to shut up those who speak the truth to lies, also, by characterizing any negative response as a hammering.
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And it's ok to disagree on our views on some subjects too. None of us know things as we ought to know them - says Paul.
It's when they deliberately mis-represent what you said in a deceitful way and then insult you by name-calling and attempting to de-mean you. They try to "lord it over your faith" - that's where I draw the line with interacting with them anymore.
It's obvious they are full of malice and bitterness and will slander people at the drop of the hat. And then disguise this foul behavior under the cloak as "defending the faith" or "rightly dividing the word of truth" but in reality we could be just "defending our church teachings and traditions" which may or may not be entirely accurate.
As I praise God for His work through the Holy Spirit and the cross, the above testimony
shows the hearts of the contributors.
The cross is a place of forgiveness and victory. If it becomes a place of continual suffering
there is still work in you life to do, to see Christ and His wonderful good news.
There will always be those who wish to exclude others from experiencing a living relationship
with God in holiness, purity and truth. We are only excluded because we do not have faith in
who He is. So just be encouraged, for everywhere there are brothers and sisters rejoicing
in His love and blessing of the saints.
If a man comes to you and describes what he should be, yet your are, and he is not, there
is no truth in his words. The apostles declared it simply, if you love your brothers and sisters
you know the heart of Christ.
shows the hearts of the contributors.
The cross is a place of forgiveness and victory. If it becomes a place of continual suffering
there is still work in you life to do, to see Christ and His wonderful good news.
There will always be those who wish to exclude others from experiencing a living relationship
with God in holiness, purity and truth. We are only excluded because we do not have faith in
who He is. So just be encouraged, for everywhere there are brothers and sisters rejoicing
in His love and blessing of the saints.
If a man comes to you and describes what he should be, yet your are, and he is not, there
is no truth in his words. The apostles declared it simply, if you love your brothers and sisters
you know the heart of Christ.
People who label others
Some want to have their faith put in certain terms and words and cannot accept
we are just worshippers of our King and Saviour.
They cannot let go because strong feelings that have taken hold which they can neither
let go or forgive issues they have against others, but are not relevant.
They talk of the emotion that fills their hearts, while we just want to praise our King,
Halleluyah.
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Some want to have their faith put in certain terms and words and cannot accept
we are just worshippers of our King and Saviour.
They cannot let go because strong feelings that have taken hold which they can neither
let go or forgive issues they have against others, but are not relevant.
They talk of the emotion that fills their hearts, while we just want to praise our King,
Halleluyah.
[video=youtube;fiyYoe678yI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiyYoe678yI[/video]
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It is a very popular lie. Quite a devious attempt to shut up those who speak the truth to lies, also, by characterizing any negative response as a hammering.
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And it's ok to disagree on our views on some subjects too. None of us know things as we ought to know them - says Paul.
It's when they deliberately mis-represent what you said in a deceitful way and then insult you by name-calling and attempting to de-mean you. They try to "lord it over your faith" - that's where I draw the line with interacting with them anymore.
It's obvious they are full of malice and bitterness and will slander people at the drop of the hat. And then disguise this foul behavior under the cloak as "defending the faith" or "rightly dividing the word of truth" but in reality we could be just "defending our church teachings and traditions" which may or may not be entirely accurate.
I heard that......and I agree....!
you would need a law to be deemed a sinner. here it is in black and white the folly that some are trapped in.
14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law Romans 2: God's Righteous Judgment
strange this verse it make many out to be talking rubbish. etc
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