Believe that the Lord God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead in your heart and you shalt be saved. It is also important to believe that he is the Christ in order to be adopted to Sonship or Daughtership as is written about in the first chapter of the Gospel according to John.
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That'd be nice but that's not what the scriptures say. Belief is the first step in the salvation process.
Perhaps you missed the very first word in her post?
Most people are misinformed by their Catholic priest or protestant pastors that salvation cannot be assured to anyone. "You just have to wait until you die and go to be judged by your good deeds."
This is because a confidence in Christ is missing as well as eternal security is absent. When they mix grace and works, it leads to a lack of certainty because they lack salvation.
Yes indeed, in John 3:18 it confirmed the same.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
The person is either saved or condemned based upon their belief in the only begotten Son of God.
The confirmation of salvation is whether or not the promises are true.
Those are based upon the Object of one's faith.
You are correct indeed LeeLoving.
Right. often we read a scripture and assume there’s no more To be said
I submit that we need to believe also Jesus died for our sins was buried and rose the third day according to the witness of both ot prophecy and nt scripture. That” he is Lord “ the promised messiah also called Christ who is the son of God. The Lord above all
“that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:10-11
“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
Romans 10:9
Just because Paul says this here doesn’t then nullify this other stuff here they go together
“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; ( need to believe this )
and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day ( need to believe this too ) according to the scriptures: After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 7-11 KJV
And again just because Paul’s saying this stuff here , it doesn’t nullify the other many many other important things he teaches and statements he makes elsewhere or jesus teaches. Or the other apostles teach . many things we need to believe in the Bible especially the gospel
The resurrection is importent without it we couldnt be saved , but the crucifixion is importent without it we couldnt be saved but Jesus birth in the flesh is important without it we couldn’t be saved jesus perfect life without sin , his compassion and patience towards sinners and the downtrodden is important so we begin to know him as he is
jesus teachings about God the father are important without them we can’t know the truth if his ways and judgements. It’s all Important as we begin to understand it through study and prayer and applying it to our lives in action
I messed up severely in my original post. If you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead thou shalt be saved, my understanding was messed up when I wrote my original post, so it might not have came through. Sorry. It's also important to believe that he's the Christ.
The way to believe in God is by having the goal of being in His likeness by being a doer of His character traits. For example, by being a doer of good works in obedience to God’s instructions we are testifying about God’s goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God’s goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words we are believing in Him, and the same is true for God’s other character traits. The way to believe that God is just is by having the goal of being a doer of justice and the way to believe that God is holy is by having the goal of being a doer of God’s instructions for how to be holy as He is holy. This is exactly the same as the way to believe in the Son, who is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God’s instructions. This is also why there are many verses that connect our faith in God with our obedience to His instructions, such as with Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God’s commandments.
In Romans 10:5-10, Paul referenced Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God’s instructions are not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to them brings life and a blessing, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching by word and by example is by repenting and becoming zealous for being a doer of good works in obedience to God’s instructions (Acts 21:20). Moreover, those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to God’s instructions are not children of God (1 John 3:4-10).
Believe, receive and be new in love to all as God is already that, loving us all patiently as we each begin to grow up into maturity thanks to this .love given us all through Son's done work for us all. To me Jesus is risen as proof of approval from Daddy PaPa, that be where the new Born again life begins, Belief, Christ is risen
Thanks for the post
The first step in receiving Salvation is for God the Father to Change your hardened heart to a soft heart so you accept His Word ---who is Jesus --by the way -----then once God the Father changes your hardened heart to be an acceptable heart of His word ----then His Faith is inbirthed in you by and through hearing His Word ----
The right Faith needs to be there ---as God's Faith is a producing Faith that needs Speaking out ---when you have confidence in something you will speak it out boldly ----when your not confident in something you will hesitate to speak it out as you may have it backfire in your face ------so caution is there ----
This Faith then bring Repentance -----which is a mind change ----so you realize your a sinner in need of a saviour ----and with the confidence --Faith ---you have in God's word you believe fully and Trust that what God says to do for you to be saved will Save you -----
This is what God's word says about how you get saved -----
God's Agape is for all People ---His Love is Unconditional ------But His Covenant here is Conditional
IF YOU ====do what His word says you will be saved -----Only--- IF YOU -----do as it says are you saved
and NOTICE : BELIEF here is NOT Just a casual Belief --it is a Deeply Rooted Belief -(adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth)-----
and with your Mouth ----you speak out with Confidence --Your Faith and this confirms your Salvation -----
Jesus makes it clear that not everyone who Says Lord --Lord --will enter the Kingdom of Heaven ------
Romans 10:9-10
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition
9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God),
and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.
The right Faith needs to be there ---as God's Faith is a producing Faith that needs Speaking out ---when you have confidence in something you will speak it out boldly ----when your not confident in something you will hesitate to speak it out as you may have it backfire in your face ------so caution is there ----
This Faith then bring Repentance -----which is a mind change ----so you realize your a sinner in need of a saviour ----and with the confidence --Faith ---you have in God's word you believe fully and Trust that what God says to do for you to be saved will Save you -----
This is what God's word says about how you get saved -----
God's Agape is for all People ---His Love is Unconditional ------But His Covenant here is Conditional
IF YOU ====do what His word says you will be saved -----Only--- IF YOU -----do as it says are you saved
and NOTICE : BELIEF here is NOT Just a casual Belief --it is a Deeply Rooted Belief -(adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth)-----
and with your Mouth ----you speak out with Confidence --Your Faith and this confirms your Salvation -----
Jesus makes it clear that not everyone who Says Lord --Lord --will enter the Kingdom of Heaven ------
Romans 10:9-10
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition
9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God),
and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.
I believe God in risen Son, so, therefore by God I am saved by God through belief to God through risen Son, where new life in Father begins, not of myself or any of my work(s), if are, then I have reason to boast, yet I do not have any reason to boast anything but God who loves us all and is for us all
If one does not see that, then one is mixing works and faith to God and wanting credit in doing the good work of God. these are looking for rewards, that will burn up and one suffer loss.
I am asking me, if I am caught up in that presently, wanting recognition, from others?
Asking God to reveal this to me, whenever I get caught up in under work to do to keep or get in
Wow, woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
Thanking Father and Son as Won for me to get saved and be saved by his done work, not any of my own or anyone else's either Phil 3
Ephesians 2, got me to see, it is not me, it is God's done work of Son for me as well as everyone else too, thank you
If one does not see that, then one is mixing works and faith to God and wanting credit in doing the good work of God. these are looking for rewards, that will burn up and one suffer loss.
I am asking me, if I am caught up in that presently, wanting recognition, from others?
Asking God to reveal this to me, whenever I get caught up in under work to do to keep or get in
Wow, woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
Thanking Father and Son as Won for me to get saved and be saved by his done work, not any of my own or anyone else's either Phil 3
Ephesians 2, got me to see, it is not me, it is God's done work of Son for me as well as everyone else too, thank you
No, didn't miss it. Belief is only a start. It takes more than just believing. As I said, it'd be nice if that's all that was required, but it's not.
I am not RC but my understanding is that they believe as long as they take communion and go to confession and perhaps pray the rosary in addition to faith they will be saved.
In this thread again we see illustrated the difficulty of stating a doctrine as a whole or saying everything in one post, but here is my attempt:
The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
- Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
Precious friend, if it takes more, then isn't that exactly WHY there is All This Confusion about:
thousands of opinions of just WHAT IS the "more That Is Necessary", eh?
Amen.
Please explain your view as to what else is required... with scriptural references.
Baptism, Confirmation, and Eucharist, Marriage and Holy Orders (priesthood), Penance, healing or last rites plus other good works like obedience to the law (repenting of sins) are most of the things they teach will shorten time in the minor hell called purgatory. The family can also pay for masses, which used to be called paying indulgences.
All religions have their own beliefs on what works are required to save one from hell .
What distinguishes them from Biblical Christianity is God's grace through faith in Christ Jesus.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11
It's not my view. It's simply reading and understanding the clear words of scripture without bias.
You can 1st start with Jesus' own words as captured in Mark 16:15-16; what dud he say was necessary? Just belief? No. Belief + baptism. Is that all? No. And you won't find it all in any one passage nor continually repeated by bible characters.
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
A good example of what's required that adds yet another element is found in Acts 8, in the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch. There you'll see that Jesus was preached by Philip, as well as baptism since the eunuch asjed about it, and what was the eunuch also asked and told by Philip? He was asked if he believed he could be baptized, after which, the eunuch verbally confessed his belief, which is also consistent with Romans 10:8-10.
And you'll find the remaining element necessary in Acts 2, when the Jews were told they must repent and be baptized.
So, to sum it up, you have belief/faith, confession of belief, repentance, and baptism, immersion in water, for the forgiveness of sins.
That's it as defined by scripture. Nothing more, nothing less.