Three Days and Three Nights

[Endoscopy]

The Jewish calendar is....convoluted.
Despite this, the crucifixion Nisan 14 is of course pivotal.

They created a math formula for Easter to have the date on the Gregorian calender we use. It works most of the time but every few years is way off. Usually because of the added month. But then the early church didn't celebrate the date of the ressurection or his birth.

 

[mikesmilestoday]

I was taught in Latin class that this is kind of how the Romans counted all the time; they counted the beginning and end of a series. Jesus died before sunset on Firday ( 1day), in the tomb Friday night to Saturday night (Jews count days from sunset to sunset), and He rose after Saturday sunset, thus on Sunday. We still do it in music. C to E is called a third, though by our way of counting, it is two notes higher. I do not know any specific examples from ancient Rome off hand.

Curiously, we do the opposite going from BC to AD. There is no year 0, so 1BC to 1AD is only one year.

I did not know that there was not a year 0. Thank you

 

[rstrats]

garee,

Why did you quote my post #748 if you were just going to ignore it and continue with your off topic comments?

 

[cv5]

Yeshua

You keep on using that date that means absolutely nothing to almost all of the readers of the forum. Why?? Do you love to sow confusion? Or are you just showing off using a date that is meaningless to most on the forum?

Absolutely nothing? Surely you jest. God devises a devastating cataclysm in Egypt with Nisan 14 at its epicentre and you fail to comprehend or honor its eternal significance? Perhaps an adjustment in your priorities is in order.....

 

[JaumeJ]

The Jewish calender is a lunar calender and about every 3 years they insert a month to make it align with the seasons. I found that fact interesting. How do they handle that with anything significant happening in that month. For instance a birth. What is that person's birthday when that month isn't there?

Still fixated on the Jewish calender!! You love to sow confusion!!

What about leap day! That added month is called a pregnant month……….

 

[rstrats]

cv5,
re: "The term 'three days and three nights' was a common Hebraism and an idiom."

It was a common Hebraism for what with regard to "three days and three nights"?

 

[rstrats]

In thinking about it, I realize that it makes no difference to this topic whether a calendar day began at sunset versus sunrise.

 

[cv5]

In thinking about it, I realize that it makes no difference to this topic whether a calendar day began at sunset versus sunrise.

https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/newsletter/newsletter-apr-2007/three-days-and-three-nights/

 

[rstrats]

cv5.
Why did you quote my comment from post 787 and then post a link to an article that has nothing to do with it?

BTW, you have a question directed to you in post #786.

 

[garee]

JaumeJ,
re: "If your question is to everyone..."

It's to anyone who thinks the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, and thinks a calendar day began at sunset, and thinks the "heart of the earth" in Matthew 12:40 refers to the tomb, and who explains the lack of a 3rd night in the tomb by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time.

The word three denotes the end of a matter.

"Heart of earth" refers to three day of living suffering when compared to the Jonas parable.. Comparing the spiritual understand of that parable (belly of the whale) to the three days three nights in the "heart of the earth".

.You could say the last sign with a wonder as a source of faith. That last sign given to the Ninevites applies to us.the two parables must be reconciled .

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

It began in the garden on Thursday with the work pouring out of his spirit as if it was blood indicated by sweat.

Friday on the cross was another part of that same three day demonstration of the belly of the whale .Another way of saying three days in the heart of the earth. Christ arose early Sunday evening at the crack of dawn .the first day of the week .When he said let their be light making the new creation as children of light..

The Bible does not use common figure of speech created by the mass. Every word or phrase has a meaning set aside to help the spiritual understanding, not seen made known through parables .

 

[cv5]

cv5.
Why did you quote my comment from post 787 and then post a link to an article that has nothing to do with it?

BTW, you have a question directed to you in post #786.

Just more useful commentary. Very useful....

 

[rstrats]

garee,
re: "It began in the garden on Thursday..."

Then this topic does not apply to you. It is really directed to those who believe the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

 

[rstrats]

cv5,
re: "Just more useful commentary. Very useful...."

So why did you feel the need to quote my comment from post 787? How was your link useful for commenting on sunset/sunrise/?

 

[garee]

garee,
re: "It began in the garden on Thursday..."

Then this topic does not apply to you. It is really directed to those who believe the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

Hi thanks for the reply.

So then it only applies to those who beleive the heart of the earth is referring to the literal tomb? The same ones that say the "belly of the whale" a three day living sacrifice of suffering heard on high and delivered from suffering the pangs of hell? Are they referring the belly of the whale as a tomb? It would seem if we would compare the spiritual understanding of one parable to another as one sign . they say the same thing

Matthew 12:40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

How was Jonas in the belly of hell, the heart of the earth?

Heart of the earth is defined (Genesis 6:5) as the seat of ones imagination a evil place where there is no faith in a God not seen. A place of suffering with no rest that could come with Emmanuel, God with us working in us to both will and do his good pleasure having made His will the treasure as a desire of our new hearts.

Heart of the earth. No rest in Christ because of the suffering of Christ...….. men with "no faith"..

Genesis 6:5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Jonah 2 is the gospel of Christ preached beforehand in regard to the suffering of Christ and the glory that did come, the first resurrection. Ten times thousands of thousands of saints entered in to the eternal place of rest..(1 Peter 1:11) The Son of man fullfed the prophecy as the parable using Jonas a type of Christ.


Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV)2 Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me. Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God. When my soul fainted within me I remembered the Lord: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple. They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.And the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.


I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever (heart of the earth) It is used to signify the sufferings or affliction, the crying out from the belly of hell and being heard on high was strengthened and delivered. The sign of Jonas who represents the Son of man Jesus. .Just as Jonas was separated from those who could help so was the Son of man Jesus .The father having put them to sleep to emphasize it was the work of two working together to bring the peace of God that surpasses all understanding. Jesus said I and the father are one source of faith as a work

Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called , and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.Mathew26:36-46

Thursday the early birth pains. One part of the three day demonstration of God pouring out his unseen Spirit as if it was blood on flesh.. Luke gives a different kind of understanding to represent the sign of Jonas. A three work of living suffering crying out and being rescued. Three indicating the end of the matter.

 

[rstrats]

garee,
re: "So then it only applies to those who beleive the heart of the earth is referring to the literal tomb?"

Yes, that is what I wrote. You even quoted me, so I don't see why you need to ask.

 

[rstrats]

Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

 

[Endoscopy]

Hi thanks for the reply.

So then it only applies to those who beleive the heart of the earth is referring to the literal tomb? The same ones that say the "belly of the whale" a three day living sacrifice of suffering heard on high and delivered from suffering the pangs of hell? Are they referring the belly of the whale as a tomb? It would seem if we would compare the spiritual understanding of one parable to another as one sign . they say the same thing

Matthew 12:40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

How was Jonas in the belly of hell, the heart of the earth?

Heart of the earth is defined (Genesis 6:5) as the seat of ones imagination a evil place where there is no faith in a God not seen. A place of suffering with no rest that could come with Emmanuel, God with us working in us to both will and do his good pleasure having made His will the treasure as a desire of our new hearts.

Heart of the earth. No rest in Christ because of the suffering of Christ...….. men with "no faith"..

Genesis 6:5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Jonah 2 is the gospel of Christ preached beforehand in regard to the suffering of Christ and the glory that did come, the first resurrection. Ten times thousands of thousands of saints entered in to the eternal place of rest..(1 Peter 1:11) The Son of man fullfed the prophecy as the parable using Jonas a type of Christ.


Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV)2 Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me. Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God. When my soul fainted within me I remembered the Lord: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple. They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.And the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.


I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever (heart of the earth) It is used to signify the sufferings or affliction, the crying out from the belly of hell and being heard on high was strengthened and delivered. The sign of Jonas who represents the Son of man Jesus. .Just as Jonas was separated from those who could help so was the Son of man Jesus .The father having put them to sleep to emphasize it was the work of two working together to bring the peace of God that surpasses all understanding. Jesus said I and the father are one source of faith as a work

Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called , and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.Mathew26:36-46

Thursday the early birth pains. One part of the three day demonstration of God pouring out his unseen Spirit as if it was blood on flesh.. Luke gives a different kind of understanding to represent the sign of Jonas. A three work of living suffering crying out and being rescued. Three indicating the end of the matter.

You ask a question that shows you didn't understand what you quoted above it.
Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and 3 nights.
You then ask just below this how was Jonah in the belly of the earth. You deliberately ignore what Jesus stated. It was the time frame not where him being in the earth. Jonah was in the belly of a big fish while Jesus was in a tomb for the the same period of time.

Read what the Bible states and not change what it says!!

 

[garee]

You ask a question that shows you didn't understand what you quoted above it.
Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and 3 nights.
You then ask just below this how was Jonah in the belly of the earth. You deliberately ignore what Jesus stated. It was the time frame not where him being in the earth. Jonah was in the belly of a big fish while Jesus was in a tomb for the the same period of time.

Read what the Bible states and not change what it says!!

I was trying to explain how the two phrases mean the same thing. (companion parables)

"Heart of the earth" would seem to be the same as "belly of the whale" . I did not intend to say belly of the earth but again its the same. It would be like saying heart of the whale both used as metaphor of living suffering the pangs of hell a living working sacrifice both delivered from their suffering by the same father...

 

[Endoscopy]

I was trying to explain how the two phrases mean the same thing. (companion parables)

"Heart of the earth" would seem to be the same as "belly of the whale" . I did not intend to say belly of the earth but again its the same. It would be like saying heart of the whale both used as metaphor of living suffering the pangs of hell a living working sacrifice both delivered from their suffering by the same father...

The only problem is you ignore what Jesus plainly stated. There are admonitions against adding to or removing the text. That is essentially what you are doing by changing what was stated.

 

[garee]

The only problem is you ignore what Jesus plainly stated. There are admonitions against adding to or removing the text. That is essentially what you are doing by changing what was stated.

I would ask which text? Why could it not be the unseen spiritual understanding of what was stated, hid in that parable? Am I changing or interpreting? And I don't mean private interpretations as personal commentaries that we are using to try and come to some conclusion .They are like fingerprints

The context seems we would look to the eternal meaning of those parables.