The way Jesus and Jews and the enemies thought back then was literal days, not partial days.
Passion Week-- https://app.box.com/s/f3bcb04b37dc6d06282e. Note: The "1--" and "2--" items are what I considered the best.
Three Days and Three Nights
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The way Jesus and Jews and the enemies thought back then was literal days, not partial days.
Passion Week-- https://app.box.com/s/f3bcb04b37dc6d06282e. Note: The "1--" and "2--" items are what I considered the best.
BibleLoverBill,
re: "The way Jesus and Jews and the enemies thought back then was literal days, not partial days. Passion Week-- https://app.box.com/s/f3bcb04b37dc6d06282e. Note: The "1--" and "2--" items are what I considered the best."
I don't see where your above link provides examples which show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. I wonder if you might point out where you think examples were given?
re: "The way Jesus and Jews and the enemies thought back then was literal days, not partial days. Passion Week-- https://app.box.com/s/f3bcb04b37dc6d06282e. Note: The "1--" and "2--" items are what I considered the best."
I don't see where your above link provides examples which show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. I wonder if you might point out where you think examples were given?
New International Version
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
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That is not counted as the full day. Wednesday Sundown to Thursday Sunrise is the first night, then Thursday until Sundown is the first day, Thursday Sundown to Friday Sunrise is the second night, then Friday until Sundown is the second day, Friday Sundown to Saturday Sunrise is the third night, then Saturday until Sundown is the third day.
Maundy Thursday Traditions
The Catholic Church lives out Christ's commandment to love one another in a number of ways through her traditions on Maundy Thursday. The best known is the washing of the feet of laymen by their priest during the Mass of the Lord's Supper, which recalls Christ's own washing of the feet of His disciples (John 13:1-11).
Maundy Thursday was also traditionally the day on which those who needed to be reconciled to the Church in order to receive Holy Communion on Easter Sunday could be absolved from their sins. And as early as the fifth century CE, it became the custom for the bishop to consecrate the holy oil or chrism for all of the churches of his diocese. This chrism is used in baptisms and confirmations throughout the year, but especially at the Easter Vigil on Holy Saturday, when those who are converting to Catholicism are welcomed into the Church.
The Catholic Church lives out Christ's commandment to love one another in a number of ways through her traditions on Maundy Thursday. The best known is the washing of the feet of laymen by their priest during the Mass of the Lord's Supper, which recalls Christ's own washing of the feet of His disciples (John 13:1-11).
Maundy Thursday was also traditionally the day on which those who needed to be reconciled to the Church in order to receive Holy Communion on Easter Sunday could be absolved from their sins. And as early as the fifth century CE, it became the custom for the bishop to consecrate the holy oil or chrism for all of the churches of his diocese. This chrism is used in baptisms and confirmations throughout the year, but especially at the Easter Vigil on Holy Saturday, when those who are converting to Catholicism are welcomed into the Church.
Why Do They Celebrate Good Friday on a Friday?
The reason why Catholics and other Protestants continue to commemorate Jesus’ crucifixion on a Friday is because they do not celebrate the Passover, so they have no way to know when the Feast of Unleavened bread has to be kept.
In the year 325 AD through the Council of Nicaea, the Roman Emperor Constantine abolished the Passover. This meant that Christians were not allowed to keep the Passover in accordance with the date in the Bible, which is the 14th day of Aviv. But, once they abolished the Passover they also had no way to know on which day Resurrection day should be kept since it is based on the Feast of Firstfruits. Thus, they decided that Resurrection Sunday (which they called Easter) would be held on the first Sunday after first full moon occurring on or after the vernal equinox.
Since they calculated their celebration of the Resurrection based on the vernal equinox, they just conveniently made the Friday before their resurrection Sunday “Good Friday.” They do this since two thousand years ago was crucified on a Friday and Resurrected on a Sunday.
In conclusion, for Christians who keep the Passover in accordance with what the Bible says, we commemorate Jesus’ sacrifice by fasting on the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Mark 2:18-20). For this reason, we do not need to participate in the erroneous ceremony called “Good Friday.”
In reality, the only thing that’s good about Friday is that the next day is Sabbath.
The reason why Catholics and other Protestants continue to commemorate Jesus’ crucifixion on a Friday is because they do not celebrate the Passover, so they have no way to know when the Feast of Unleavened bread has to be kept.
In the year 325 AD through the Council of Nicaea, the Roman Emperor Constantine abolished the Passover. This meant that Christians were not allowed to keep the Passover in accordance with the date in the Bible, which is the 14th day of Aviv. But, once they abolished the Passover they also had no way to know on which day Resurrection day should be kept since it is based on the Feast of Firstfruits. Thus, they decided that Resurrection Sunday (which they called Easter) would be held on the first Sunday after first full moon occurring on or after the vernal equinox.
Since they calculated their celebration of the Resurrection based on the vernal equinox, they just conveniently made the Friday before their resurrection Sunday “Good Friday.” They do this since two thousand years ago was crucified on a Friday and Resurrected on a Sunday.
In conclusion, for Christians who keep the Passover in accordance with what the Bible says, we commemorate Jesus’ sacrifice by fasting on the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Mark 2:18-20). For this reason, we do not need to participate in the erroneous ceremony called “Good Friday.”
In reality, the only thing that’s good about Friday is that the next day is Sabbath.
You are ignoring what the text says. Why is that? It is very explicit!! 3 days and 3 nights, no more or less. He was placed in the tomb on Wednesday late afternoon before the second Sabbath of Passover and rose on the late afternoon of the weekly Sabbath. The tomb being empty Sunday morning. .The sign of Jonah!!! This goes to the proof he is the Messiah, God incarnate. Remember he said "I and the Father are one."
Matthew 12 NIV
The Sign of Jonah
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12 NIV
The Sign of Jonah
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
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I have posted the 3 days and 3 nights being full days and nights several times. Then another person comes along trying to modify what the Bible plainly states about the time in the tomb. Very puzzling why they try to change what the Bible explicitly states. Some try to make it Friday afternoon to Sunday morning ignoring there are annual Sabbaths. Passover week starts and ends with a Sabbath and year by year changes its relationship with the weekly Sabbath.
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A strict obligatory unequivocal precise 72 hours is not required or implied. Was Jonah in the belly of the fish for exactly 72 hours within a fraction of a second? Hardly.
There are various interpretations. Much of what I have been following here is nonsense to be very honest. Any portion of a day and night = a full day or night. Obviously.
A strict obligatory unequivocal precise 72 hours is not required or implied. Was Jonah in the belly of the fish for exactly 72 hours within a fraction of a second? Hardly.
There are various interpretations. Much of what I have been following here is nonsense to be very honest. Any portion of a day and night = a full day or night. Obviously.
Three Days and Three Nights
Jesus triumphal entry, Passover, Death, Burial & Resurrection
On Nisan 10 the Passover Lamb is chosen (Ex 12). It is inspected for any blemish until Nisan 14. It's Nisan 14 when the actual passover sacrifice was made (Lev 23:5) The passover meal is eaten the next evening Nisan 15.
Christ triumphal entry begins on Sat (Nisan 10). He is inspected several day's for blemishes via the Pharisees (Mk 12:17 & 25). Jesus our Passover lamb is killed on Nisan 14. Although his disciples had prepared the Passover meal. Jesus was dead when the Jews ate it on the evening of Nisan 15.
Timeline:
Jesus arrived at Bethany sometime on Saturday & at sunset day 1 began. That night, a dinner was given in Jesus' honor (Jn 12:2). Next during the daylight hours of day1/Sunday, Jesus entered Jerusalem.
Ex 23:12 & Deut 5:14 state, animals including donkeys, were not to do any work on the Sabbath. So, a donkey colt (Matt 21;2) carring Jesus into Jerusalem on the Sabbath would have violated Torah Law.
Fri evening sundown til sat evening = Sabbath
Sat evening sundown til Sun evening Nisan 10 = Day 1. The passover lamb (Christ is our Passover 1 Cor 5:7) was to be chosen on Nisan 10 (Ex 12:1-3). Jesus triumphal entry: We know it better as Palm Sunday takes place on Nisan 10.
Sun evening sundown til Mon evening Nisan 11 = Day 2
Mon evening sundown til Tue evening Nisan 12 = Day 3
Tue evening sundown til Wed evening Nisan 13 = Day 4
Wed evening sundown til Thu evening Nisan 14. The passover lamb was to be killed on Nisan 14 (Ex 12:6).
Approximate Nisan 14 timeline:
Nisan 14 began at sundown Wed. Jesus eats his last supper with his chosen 12 (7-9pm). They go the Garden of Gethsemane & Jesus prays (9pm -midnight) He is arrested (midnight) the Priests accuse, abuse & condemn Him (midnight-6am). Hes taken to Pilate questioned, abused, scourged & sentenced to death (6am til 8am). Nailed to the cross (9am Mk 15:25) suffers til & dies at (3pm Mat 2:46 Mk 15:34) all on Nisan 14.
Matthew 12:39–40 Jesus say's the only sign 3 days, 3 nights in the belly.
Jesus is in the belly of the earth: 3pm Nisan 14 = Thurs/morning Jesus dies = 1st morning
Thru evening sundown til Fri evening Nisan 15 = 1st evening & 2nd morning
Fri evening sundown til Sat evening Nisan 16 = 2nd evening & 3rd morning
Sat evening = 3rd evening. WE HAVE THREE DAYS & 3 NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE EARTH. SUN MORNING HE RISES!
This post is MOO! My Opinion Only.
Temple tradition. At early lite on Nisan 14 the sinless chosen lamb was marched up the ramp into the Temple.
Early am on Nisan 14 God's sinless Lamb/Christ was carring his cross, marching up the hill to Calvary.
At 9am on Nisan 14 the Temple Priest tied the lamb to a stake to be sacrificed. And the shofar (rams horn/trump) is blown. So all the people knew the lamb is prepared to be sacrificed.
At 9am on Nisan 14 Jesus the Lamb of God is tied and nailed to the cross. (Mk 15:25 it was the 3rd hour & they crucified him.
At 3pm on Nisan 14 the Temple Priest brings a sharp knife and kills the sinless lamb. The shofar (rams horn/trump) is blown. So, all the people know the lamb as been sacrificed.
At 3pm on Nisan 14 Jesus Christ hears the Temple trump and in a loud voice. Jn 19:28 & 30 Jesus proclaims: tetelestai/It is FINISHED! An accounting term that means COMPLETED/PAID IN FULL & dies.
At 3pm a great earthquake happens. Jesus passes through the Temple Veil it's torn in 1/2. (Matt 27:51) Old covenant levitical priesthood/sacrifical system ends.
Jesus triumphal entry, Passover, Death, Burial & Resurrection
On Nisan 10 the Passover Lamb is chosen (Ex 12). It is inspected for any blemish until Nisan 14. It's Nisan 14 when the actual passover sacrifice was made (Lev 23:5) The passover meal is eaten the next evening Nisan 15.
Christ triumphal entry begins on Sat (Nisan 10). He is inspected several day's for blemishes via the Pharisees (Mk 12:17 & 25). Jesus our Passover lamb is killed on Nisan 14. Although his disciples had prepared the Passover meal. Jesus was dead when the Jews ate it on the evening of Nisan 15.
Timeline:
Jesus arrived at Bethany sometime on Saturday & at sunset day 1 began. That night, a dinner was given in Jesus' honor (Jn 12:2). Next during the daylight hours of day1/Sunday, Jesus entered Jerusalem.
Ex 23:12 & Deut 5:14 state, animals including donkeys, were not to do any work on the Sabbath. So, a donkey colt (Matt 21;2) carring Jesus into Jerusalem on the Sabbath would have violated Torah Law.
Fri evening sundown til sat evening = Sabbath
Sat evening sundown til Sun evening Nisan 10 = Day 1. The passover lamb (Christ is our Passover 1 Cor 5:7) was to be chosen on Nisan 10 (Ex 12:1-3). Jesus triumphal entry: We know it better as Palm Sunday takes place on Nisan 10.
Sun evening sundown til Mon evening Nisan 11 = Day 2
Mon evening sundown til Tue evening Nisan 12 = Day 3
Tue evening sundown til Wed evening Nisan 13 = Day 4
Wed evening sundown til Thu evening Nisan 14. The passover lamb was to be killed on Nisan 14 (Ex 12:6).
Approximate Nisan 14 timeline:
Nisan 14 began at sundown Wed. Jesus eats his last supper with his chosen 12 (7-9pm). They go the Garden of Gethsemane & Jesus prays (9pm -midnight) He is arrested (midnight) the Priests accuse, abuse & condemn Him (midnight-6am). Hes taken to Pilate questioned, abused, scourged & sentenced to death (6am til 8am). Nailed to the cross (9am Mk 15:25) suffers til & dies at (3pm Mat 2:46 Mk 15:34) all on Nisan 14.
Matthew 12:39–40 Jesus say's the only sign 3 days, 3 nights in the belly.
Jesus is in the belly of the earth: 3pm Nisan 14 = Thurs/morning Jesus dies = 1st morning
Thru evening sundown til Fri evening Nisan 15 = 1st evening & 2nd morning
Fri evening sundown til Sat evening Nisan 16 = 2nd evening & 3rd morning
Sat evening = 3rd evening. WE HAVE THREE DAYS & 3 NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE EARTH. SUN MORNING HE RISES!
This post is MOO! My Opinion Only.
Temple tradition. At early lite on Nisan 14 the sinless chosen lamb was marched up the ramp into the Temple.
Early am on Nisan 14 God's sinless Lamb/Christ was carring his cross, marching up the hill to Calvary.
At 9am on Nisan 14 the Temple Priest tied the lamb to a stake to be sacrificed. And the shofar (rams horn/trump) is blown. So all the people knew the lamb is prepared to be sacrificed.
At 9am on Nisan 14 Jesus the Lamb of God is tied and nailed to the cross. (Mk 15:25 it was the 3rd hour & they crucified him.
At 3pm on Nisan 14 the Temple Priest brings a sharp knife and kills the sinless lamb. The shofar (rams horn/trump) is blown. So, all the people know the lamb as been sacrificed.
At 3pm on Nisan 14 Jesus Christ hears the Temple trump and in a loud voice. Jn 19:28 & 30 Jesus proclaims: tetelestai/It is FINISHED! An accounting term that means COMPLETED/PAID IN FULL & dies.
At 3pm a great earthquake happens. Jesus passes through the Temple Veil it's torn in 1/2. (Matt 27:51) Old covenant levitical priesthood/sacrifical system ends.
50Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea, and he himself was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body. 53Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.
55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
Preparation day is Friday isn't it ?
how did then Jesus die on Thursday ?
55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
Preparation day is Friday isn't it ?
how did then Jesus die on Thursday ?
John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
(NOTE: "an high day" Treated as a Sabbath, a "high day" isn't necessarily the 7th day of the week. A High Sabbath is the 1st day of the (7 day) Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus died on Passover, but was removed from the cross on the 14th before sunset, which began (Nisan 15) a High Sabbath day. Being the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
(NOTE: "an high day" Treated as a Sabbath, a "high day" isn't necessarily the 7th day of the week. A High Sabbath is the 1st day of the (7 day) Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus died on Passover, but was removed from the cross on the 14th before sunset, which began (Nisan 15) a High Sabbath day. Being the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
