Three Gods or one? Explain the Trinity.

[Kemorean]

I do not deny that Jesus is God.

Fill in the blanks. Jesus is the WORD of God. Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. Father is the _______ of God.

Trinity is defined as 3 persons in 1 God. According to that definition Father also must be a person in God. How does that make sense?

It would not make any sense if The Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit were only..jobs or titles of God. You can not reduce the 3 Persons in the ONE God into 3..titles of the one God. Jesus always spoke of the three as "We." No one points to his titles and refers to them as..we. THAT does not make sense!

 

[tantalon]

Why couldn't God just have redeemed Adam and Eve in the Garden after they sinned and broke their perfect relationship do you suppose ?

The plan of God was to redeem a people from the ends of the earth. Adam and Eve were not the "end all" but the beginning. God placed two trees in the garden, that would give the two a choice. When Adam and Eve gave into temptation and chose to be disobedient, the plan of God began. Ahead would be prophets, laws, promises, temptations, trials and finally a redeemer, God himself, (his Words made flesh). Ephesians 1: 4 "According as he has chosen us in HIM (Jesus), BEFORE the FOUNDATION of the world...The plan of God included millions, not just two.

 

[bojack]

The plan of God was to redeem a people from the ends of the earth. Adam and Eve were not the "end all" but the beginning. God placed two trees in the garden, that would give the two a choice. When Adam and Eve gave into temptation and chose to be disobedient, the plan of God began. Ahead would be prophets, laws, promises, temptations, trials and finally a redeemer, God himself, (his Words made flesh). Ephesians 1: 4 "According as he has chosen us in HIM (Jesus), BEFORE the FOUNDATION of the world...The plan of God included millions, not just two.

I think they had to be redeemed by the perfect blood sacrifice along the way and God Himself had to come in the flesh to do the job Himself .. He did and fulfilled all prophecy along the way even son of David and God .. Also that Eve would become mother to all the living through Jesus .. God the Father is spirit, His inseparable Word became flesh to provide the willing ,obedient sacrifice at the appointed time, quite overwhelming to me .. That is why God did not restore them in the garden imo, He had to come in the flesh at the appointed time .. Same one God .. Jesus is God in the flesh, Emmanuel .. What a God and Savior we have, Amen .. And so much more

 

[Kemorean]

The plan of God was to redeem a people from the ends of the earth. Adam and Eve were not the "end all" but the beginning. God placed two trees in the garden, that would give the two a choice. When Adam and Eve gave into temptation and chose to be disobedient, the plan of God began. Ahead would be prophets, laws, promises, temptations, trials and finally a redeemer, God himself, (his Words made flesh). Ephesians 1: 4 "According as he has chosen us in HIM (Jesus), BEFORE the FOUNDATION of the world...The plan of God included millions, not just two.

Amen. God's plan of redemption was necessary for ALL of us sinners.. "For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." God fore-knew our sins. Before someone, therefore, blames God for our sins.. I knew that my kids were going to smoke. But my knowing that they were going to smoke, did not cause them to smoke. God's fore-knowing that we were going to sin did not cause us to sin! I chose every one of my sins..through my fault..through my most grievous fault!

 

[karuna]

Sure. Here are a few - Jn.14:23 "Whoever loves Me will keep my Word, AND my Father will love him. and WE will come to him.." - John 17:3 Jesus prays, not to Himself, but to the Father, saying," Now this is eternal life, that they should know YOU.." - Jn.14:26 "I have told you this while I Am (1) with you. The Holy Spirit (2) that the Father (3) will send..HE will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you. - Mt. 3:16-17 "After Jesus (1) was baptized..He saw the Spirit of God (2) descending..AND a voice from the Heavens (3) saying, "This is my beloved Son.." They saw and heard 3 Persons..not three titles!

You did not understand my question. We see Jesus in the Bible. We see His work, His words and so on. We see Holy Spirit also. We see His work and His words. But we see father in this way. We see God. Jesus refers to God as father. "Father" is how Jesus addressed God. The number 3 that you have marked is God. Father is not a separate entity as Jesus and Holy Spirit are.

 

[karuna]

Right! Jesus/God referred to God the Father and God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit as "We." That word can only refer to Persons not to titles. So..we must be Bible believers. We must just believe Jesus..without substituting our feeble, human, understandings!

Can you show me references please.

 

[karuna]

The WILL of God is over his Words and over his Spirit. In a parabolic definition, the will of God is the Father, His Words would be subject to, therefore the Son, and the Holy Character of God, his Spirit.

John 6:38 for I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
John :37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified on my behalf. You have never heard his voice or seen his form,
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Father is not the will but Father has a will as you see in the first verse. Similarly Father has a voice as you see in the second verse and He has word as you see in the 3rd verse.

 

[karuna]

It would not make any sense if The Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit were only..jobs or titles of God. You can not reduce the 3 Persons in the ONE God into 3..titles of the one God. Jesus always spoke of the three as "We." No one points to his titles and refers to them as..we. THAT does not make sense!

You are misunderstanding me here.

Father is how Jesus addressed God. He taught us also to address God in similar manner. God is addressed as Father.

Jesus Christ is not a title. I never said so. Jesus Christ is a part of God and therefore is also God. He is the WORD of God.

Holy Spirit is also not a title. I never said that ether. He is also a part of God and is therefore God. He is the SPIRIT of God.

 

[Absolutely]

You are misunderstanding me here.

Father is how Jesus addressed God. He taught us also to address God in similar manner. God is addressed as Father.

Jesus Christ is not a title. I never said so. Jesus Christ is a part of God and therefore is also God. He is the WORD of God.

Holy Spirit is also not a title. I never said that ether. He is also a part of God and is therefore God. He is the SPIRIT of God.

3 separate persons
1 God.

Also note the father calls the son God in heb 1

 

[Kemorean]

You did not understand my question. We see Jesus in the Bible. We see His work, His words and so on. We see Holy Spirit also. We see His work and His words. But we see father in this way. We see God. Jesus refers to God as father. "Father" is how Jesus addressed God. The number 3 that you have marked is God. Father is not a separate entity as Jesus and Holy Spirit are.

Be at peace. The long ago defined Doctrine of the Trinity ( Nicene Creed 325 A.D.) does NOT state that The Father is "a separate entity." The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are three PERSONS in the ONE God. They are co-equal.. ONE in Being.. from all eternity. JESUS said.."Phillip you have been with me for so long and still you do not understand? Whoever sees me sees the FATHER." And Jesus created the sacrament of Confession when He said to His Apostles.. "As the Father has sent Me I now send you." When He had said this He breathed on them and said, "Receive the HOLY SPIRIT. Whoever's sins you forgive shall be forgiven." (Jn.20:21-23) The Holy Spirit is the very breath of Jesus Christ! The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three Gods. They are three PERSONS in the ONE God!
You don't ever get any one Person without getting the other two Persons in the ONE God!

 

[karuna]

3 separate persons
1 God.

Also note the father calls the son God in heb 1

I don't understand why you can't see it. Son is separate entity. But father is not a separate entity like the Son.

 

[karuna]

Be at peace. The long ago defined Doctrine of the Trinity ( Nicene Creed 325 A.D.) does NOT state that The Father is "a separate entity." The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are three PERSONS in the ONE God. They are co-equal.. ONE in Being.. from all eternity. JESUS said.."Phillip you have been with me for so long and still you do not understand? Whoever sees me sees the FATHER." And Jesus created the sacrament of Confession when He said to His Apostles.. "As the Father has sent Me I now send you." When He had said this He breathed on them and said, "Receive the HOLY SPIRIT. Whoever's sins you forgive shall be forgiven." (Jn.20:21-23) The Holy Spirit is the very breath of Jesus Christ! The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three Gods. They are three PERSONS in the ONE God!
You don't ever get any one Person without getting the other two Persons in the ONE God!

Okay let me speak your language. Son is a person, Holy Spirit is also a person. But Father is not a person. If you claim that Father is also a person, then show me scriptural evidence, please.

 

[Absolutely]

Be at peace. The long ago defined Doctrine of the Trinity ( Nicene Creed 325 A.D.) does NOT state that The Father is "a separate entity." The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are three PERSONS in the ONE God. They are co-equal.. ONE in Being.. from all eternity. JESUS said.."Phillip you have been with me for so long and still you do not understand? Whoever sees me sees the FATHER." And Jesus created the sacrament of Confession when He said to His Apostles.. "As the Father has sent Me I now send you." When He had said this He breathed on them and said, "Receive the HOLY SPIRIT. Whoever's sins you forgive shall be forgiven." (Jn.20:21-23) The Holy Spirit is the very breath of Jesus Christ! The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three Gods. They are three PERSONS in the ONE God!
You don't ever get any one Person without getting the other two Persons in the ONE God!

Nope.
3 completely separate beings.

The Holy Spirit came on Jesus at baptism.

Jesus LOOKING TO HEAVEN prayed to the Father.
Rev 5 has Jesus taking the scroll from the Father.

 

[Absolutely]

I don't understand why you can't see it. Son is separate entity. But father is not a separate entity like the Son.

The bible has them as 2 separate entities.

You are reframing that.

 

[Kemorean]

I don't understand why you can't see it. Son is separate entity. But father is not a separate entity like the Son.

"Have you been with me for so long Phillip and yet you do not understand? Whoever sees me sees the Father." (John 14:9)

 

[Mattathias]

3 completely separate beings.

Are you referring to the Trinity?

 

[Kemorean]

Are you referring to the Trinity?

Are you referring to the Trinity?

Are you referring to the Trinity?

 

[Kemorean]

Yes. There is but ONE God within 3 PERSONS..not three Gods. The three Persons, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, are eternally ONE in Being..one God..in 3 Persons. This was defined at the Catholic Nicene Council in 350 A.D. It was in answer to a heresy then that said Jesus was the Son of God but not God.

 

[Mattathias]

Yes. There is but ONE God within 3 PERSONS..not three Gods.

Three beings is three gods, not one God, which is why I asked Absolutely about his comment.

... the Catholic Nicene Council in 350 A.D.

The Council was held in 325 A.D.

It was in answer to a heresy then that said Jesus was the Son of God but not God.

The Council convened to discuss several matters, including, but not limited to, the teaching of Arius (Arianism), and decided that Arianism was heresy. There were many in the Church who thought Arianism was orthodoxy. Those who refused to go along with the decision were exiled. Arius and two Bishops (Theonas of Marmarica and Secundus of Ptolemaic) refused to sign.

Three Bishops (Eusebius of Nicomedia, Theognis of Nicaea, and Maris of Chalcedon) who signed later recanted. They wrote in a letter to Constantine “We committed an impious act, O Prince, by subscribing to a blasphemy from fear of you.”

Arianism later triumphed over Athanasius and his supporters, but only for a while.

This factional fighting for theological supremacy occurred after the Church parted ways with Jewish monotheism.

 

[Absolutely]

Three beings is three gods, not one God, which is why I asked Absolutely about his comment.



The Council was held in 325 A.D.



The Council convened to discuss several matters, including, but not limited to, the teaching of Arius (Arianism), and decided that Arianism was heresy. There were many in the Church who thought Arianism was orthodoxy. Those who refused to go along with the decision were exiled. Arius and two Bishops (Theonas of Marmarica and Secundus of Ptolemaic) refused to sign.

Three Bishops (Eusebius of Nicomedia, Theognis of Nicaea, and Maris of Chalcedon) who signed later recanted. They wrote in a letter to Constantine “We committed an impious act, O Prince, by subscribing to a blasphemy from fear of you.”

Arianism later triumphed over Athanasius and his supporters, but only for a while.

This factional fighting for theological supremacy occurred after the Church parted ways with Jewish monotheism.

Yes 3 completely separate beings.....one God

"Let us make man in our image"

The Father says of the son in hebrews ch 1 ... "thy throne o God is forever and ever "

Rev 5
The Son takes the scroll from the hand of the Father.