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Pilgrimshope

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I absolutely fully agree with 2Timothy 2:24-26; and we also need to be properly balanced with the instruction from the other passages, such as 2Corinthians 11:12 as not all that are encountered here are Christians, but instead are deceivers and antichrists that have the obvious intentions of deceiving whom they will, and we can make those judgements based from the instruction given to us from The Lord and His chosen Apostles in the KJB. We must be of the same mind on these things. There are many instances where I have already encountered those that are like Barjesus, the name interpreted as Elymus, the sorcerer from Acts 13:6-12 that have withstood truth per 2Timothy 3:8 while sewing discord and division among Believers for the cause of working to prevent others from learning. I can cite the various instances.
yes brother balanced is my point see you were looking at what I was saying and I felt sort of thought you saw error or something honestly not sure what you were getting at But either way I did agree with some of your thoughts. Conversations here get haywire lol

anyways no hard feeling or anything no offense intended or taken
 

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This maybe of interest to some. A survey done by Ligonier Ministries and LifeWay Research (Yr. 2020):

Questions asked and there responses.:


1). Jesus was a great teacher but He was not God.
--- Among general population -- 52% agreed and 36% disagreed.
--- Among Evangelicals ----------- 30% agreed and 66% disagreed.

2). God chose the people He would save, before He created the World.
--- Among general population -- 26% agreed and 50% disagreed.
--- Among Evangelicals ----------- 38% agreed and 44% disagreed.

3). The Bible, like all Sacred writings, contains helpful accounts of ancient myths but is not literally true.
--- Among general population -- 48% agreed and 41% disagreed.
--- Evangelicals were not questioned.

4). Religious belief is a matter of personal opinion, it is not objective.
--- Among general population -- 54% agreed and 34% disagreed.
--- Evangelicals were not questioned.

5) The Holy Spirit gives a spiritual New Birth or new life, before a person has faith in Jesus Christ.
-- general population was not questioned.
-- Among Evangelicals ------------ 57% agreed and 35% disagreed.

6). God accepts the worship of all religions, including Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
-- general population was not questioned.
-- Among Evangelicals ------------ 42% agreed and 48% disagreed.

>>>> missing percentages were in the category of "Not Sure".

The state of religion today.
 

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dear brother you have much to say but are you Listening ? This is where all of my belief comes from and the many many Many things he says exactly like it

“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me;

for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:25-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s my faith everything Jesus did said taught everything the Old Testament says about him everything the apostles said about him

should be everyone’s faith I’ve attended baptist and Protestant both of your asking which buildings I’ve been to the church is found in Gods word though.

But do you see how quickly you avoided this and had a lot to say to dismiss it ?

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;

if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭

All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭25:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭

“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭16:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17-18‬ ‭

I’m just a believer after trying a few different denominations probably had most in common with Protestants I would say . I have issues with many details people think but im on a different path than to correct everyone and argue and create division in an already divided church.

I agree and again see your passion for correct doctrine I’m just sure no ones faith is In my word Or witness but I’m sure Gods testimony of Jesus is the right one to tell people about Which is the gospel .

God bless you though and again I see all of your passion and agree with the scriptures you shared there’s others though we shouldn’t put them against one another but accept them together

And not really looking to be examined or authorized by anyone or anything so I’m just here to discuss the Bible and fellowship
I am listening, and I hope that you are listening as well. It is not my intention to strive, but to bring about awareness of the fact that many are embracing the R.C.C. and her false prophet groups as being fellow belieing Christians, when in fact they are now. I am stating that the Roman Catholic Church is not Christian, but is Antichrist. The same is true of Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, The Way International, Oneness Pentecostal, H.W. Armstrong Church of God, Muslims, and other like them, along with all of the offshoots. Do you agree or disagree with what I have just stated here? If you disagree, then I would ask how and where you would go about justifying these antichrists? The Lord made it clear to not be UNEQUALLY YOKED with unbelievers. These are unblievers, and their houses are houses of idols that are guilty of treasonally preaching "another Jesus", "another gospel", with that "other spirit" that is the spirit of Antichrist! 2Corinthians 6:14-18 and 2Corthians 11

Furthermore, per your comment about "correcting doctrine"; I suggest reading what Apostle Paul, who one chosen by The Lord Jesus Christ to be the Apostle to the Gentiles, wrote by inspiration of The Holy Ghost in 2Timothy 4:1-5 and please prayerfully read 2Corinthians 11 to discern what Apostle Paul said about being "rude in speech", and look at the example of Stephen, who was martyred; - Acts 6:8 - Acts 8:1 - Furthermore, also consider what The Lord Jesus Christ had said about John the Baptist after his beheading, in that John the Baptist was said to be the greatest prophet that ever lived, then go back to John 1 to read how John the Baptist preached to the brood of vipers.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
 

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I am listening, and I hope that you are listening as well. It is not my intention to strive, but to bring about awareness of the fact that many are embracing the R.C.C. and her false prophet groups as being fellow belieing Christians, when in fact they are now. I am stating that the Roman Catholic Church is not Christian, but is Antichrist. The same is true of Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, The Way International, Oneness Pentecostal, H.W. Armstrong Church of God, Muslims, and other like them, along with all of the offshoots. Do you agree or disagree with what I have just stated here? If you disagree, then I would ask how and where you would go about justifying these antichrists? The Lord made it clear to not be UNEQUALLY YOKED with unbelievers. These are unblievers, and their houses are houses of idols that are guilty of treasonally preaching "another Jesus", "another gospel", with that "other spirit" that is the spirit of Antichrist! 2Corinthians 6:14-18 and 2Corthians 11

Furthermore, per your comment about "correcting doctrine"; I suggest reading what Apostle Paul, who one chosen by The Lord Jesus Christ to be the Apostle to the Gentiles, wrote by inspiration of The Holy Ghost in 2Timothy 4:1-5 and please prayerfully read 2Corinthians 11 to discern what Apostle Paul said about being "rude in speech", and look at the example of Stephen, who was martyred; - Acts 6:8 - Acts 8:1 - Furthermore, also consider what The Lord Jesus Christ had said about John the Baptist after his beheading, in that John the Baptist was said to be the greatest prophet that ever lived, then go back to John 1 to read how John the Baptist preached to the brood of vipers.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
I don’t even know what the rcc is bro I’m here to share in the gospel with others
 

J-T

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yes brother balanced is my point see you were looking at what I was saying and I felt sort of thought you saw error or something honestly not sure what you were getting at But either way I did agree with some of your thoughts. Conversations here get haywire lol

anyways no hard feeling or anything no offense intended or taken
Yes, it can and does get haywire at times, especially when we have so many false doctrines with accusations being hurled at us. No offense intended from my end either, and none taken.
 

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I don’t even know what the rcc is bro I’m here to share in the gospel with others
Now that helps me alot. I understand where you are coming from. We'll have to visit some time soon and perhaps discuss the situation as the R.C.C. does relate to, and in fact is the Great Whore of Mystery Babylon per Revelation 18. It helps to talk, that's how we get to know one another better, as well as sharpen one another another. I really appreciate your passion for sharing the Gospel.
 

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I can see that you are seeking to share what you have expierienced with sincerity, as well as an expressed desire for truth and I do appreciate that, however, I would be remiss if I did not bring some things to your attention with the goal of having an effectual communication. Since you are attempting to be sincere, I am more than willing to meet you halfway.

That stated, please understand that I am not beating you up, nor am I persecuting you. For the sake of proper dialog, based upon what you have shared, it is obvious to me, that you are still hanging on to the "leftovers" of what you have learned in the R.C.C., as well as what you had been taught by the S.D.A. as you still defend them because of your "experiences". I will address a bit more of that later, but for now, please allow for me to share a bit of information of what I have learned about people born into various cult religions, as the template is the same for all. There are a great number of testimonies of people, along with other data to substantiate and prove what I am to outlining.

I understand that being raised in a cult religion, whether it be the R.C.C., S.D.A., or any other group, and being told by Mom (or Dad) that this is good and is the right way, even when he or she doesn't fully understand the beliefs themselves, can and does make a lasting impact with devasting consequential effects, on the child/children into adulthood for the rest of life.

I have known of many people that have been born into various cult groups, believing everything that had been taught as being "truth", and die defending what they have been taught to believe. The term we used for that is "from the cradle to the grave".

Sadly, I have also encountered a large number of people that had been born into various cult group religions that had become so stumbled by the atrocities that they have experienced, that they had either become outright atheists and/or have joined the higher ranks of the Occult as Freemasons and Illuminati members. We term this as jumping from the frying pan into the fire", as they have only graduated into greater deception.

There is yet, another segment, that unlike the ones that are "from the cradle to the grave" of being strictly loyal to the cult group that they were born into, that go from one group to another, and one such example was a woman that I had met that was born into the R.C.C., but later joined the Jehovah's Witnesses, but later left them to join the Seveth Day Adventists, to later join the Mormons before making a full stop to pursue a lesbien relationship.

Another example was of a woman that had abandoned the Christian faith to become a witch, to later decide that she wanted to be a Muslim, and for a long period of years being inside and out of Psychiatric facilities.

The problem with each of these scenarios is that none of them had been able to find the narrow road that leads to eternal life, per Matthew 7:13-27

In contrast to the aforemention people born into cults and dying in their beliefs, and those of the other scenarios, I have also known many people, that by the grace of God, that have come to realize that they had been deceived since birth, be they 2nd generation, 3rd generation, 4th generation, 5th generation, and so forth to fully repent of what they had been taught since birth, turn to The True and Living Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. The key difference is that they were "born again", and had fully repented of those false religious groups.

There are a lot of many wonderful testimonies of the last group that I had mentioned, and if you are interested, I would be glad to share them with you, and in the meantime, we can discuss more of what the distinct differences are between the R.C.C., S.D.A., etc., to that of Biblical Christianity and perhaps also discuss what it truly means to be "born again".

I am also curious to learn more about the tract that you found on the ground, and who it was that produced it?
I was 14 when I found it lying on the street and don't know who produced it but found it, by a study of scripture to be sound in regards to accepting the Lord and Savior into your life and the need for true repentance.

I also appreciate the time that you take in writing your posts in the sincere desire to steer others back on the right spiritual track. I don't have anything against you personally either and believe that you are actually on fire for the Lord and that's a good thing. Let's go in peace now. :)
 

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Yes, it can and does get haywire at times, especially when we have so many false doctrines with accusations being hurled at us. No offense intended from my end either, and none taken.
yes I I agree completely .ifnyou look at some different comments you’ll find a lot of agreement with the dangers of false doctrine it’s evident from the beginning

God said “ you are free but you must not eat of this forbidden knowledge it is not for you you will certainly die if you do “

Satan then comes behind Gods word and says “ is that really what God said ? Surely he didn’t mean that . You will not die , the forbidden fruit is good for you it will make you wise like gods

but here we are under death like he said
all because of a false doctrine that is satans only offensive toward mankind. So I totally understand your points I just sort of was reminding you the point is to share truth and that’s how to fight false doctrine

otherwise we end up arguing and such

thank you for the good wholesome spirit certainly the message needs to be correct preach on my brother
 

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Now that helps me alot. I understand where you are coming from. We'll have to visit some time soon and perhaps discuss the situation as the R.C.C. does relate to, and in fact is the Great Whore of Mystery Babylon per Revelation 18. It helps to talk, that's how we get to know one another better, as well as sharpen one another another. I really appreciate your passion for sharing the Gospel.
yes bro I was confused honestly a bit haha anywho God bless and I am looking forward to future discussion with you
 

J-T

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The verse doesn't say, "The will of God was manifest in the flesh" and it doesn't say, "The power of God was manifest in the flesh". It says, "God was manifest in the flesh."

Why don't you accept the plain word of God?
This is the reason why the deceived cannot say that "God was manifest in the flesh";

You have "tried" the spirit, now listen to what Apostle John wrote:

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
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This is the "other spirit" also mention by Apostle Paul in 2Corinthians 11 with reference to Satan's ministers being transformed to appear as ministers of righteousness that come along preaching "another Jesus" and/or "another gospel".
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Also consider this instruction from Apostle John as it also pertains to this subject:

2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
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They are not our Brethren, and verse 11 is why we do not say them "God bless you" or "God speed".
 

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How can Jesus be God, the Spirit be God and the Father be God?
How ? This is God we are talking about . But we learn this , not through what makes sense to us , but what the bible says on who God is and how God is ect .