Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

[BenFTW]

And again this is speaking on the written ordinances of the Mosaic law, not the moral (Spiritual) aspect of it that we are told will be written in our hearts and minds.

The written ordinances are not of faith because they brought condemnation because the flesh is weak and thus the Jews focused on the written aspect and not the moral of justice, mercy, and faith. Some of the Jews did just as the Galatians did they sought out justification by written ordinance keeping which was impossible in the flesh !!!

Well, hello there. Someone who acknowledges my posts. That wasn't the point of my post. I was asking what is the end game here? What does it matter that those things existed in the law? What is the point, how does it apply to us? How did it ever help anyone who observed the law?

 

[just-me]

It is only irrelevant if you are doing all that you do for the love of God, but if you are not doing it for God then that means you are doing it for self and thus makes you a transgressor.

Remember we are told some will continue to esteem one day above others, and other people will look at all days alike. As long as we are doing what we do in those days for God then neither is in the wrong.

Agreed!

Too many keep a Sabbath day according to a pagan calendar. Saturday isn't necessarily the sabbath, but according to the Gregorian calendar Saturday is the 7th day of the week. This has nothing to do with the spiritual aspects thereof. It's only a physical application that seems to obscure the true spiritual implications, and the subject has nothing to do with the original question endorsed in the OP. It is another "side step" in order to evade the obvious.

Judgment, mercy, and faith found in the law is the subject.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It is only irrelevant if you are doing all that you do for the love of God, but if you are not doing it for God then that means you are doing it for self and thus makes you a transgressor.

Remember we are told some will continue to esteem one day above others, and other people will look at all days alike. As long as we are doing what we do in those days for God then neither is in the wrong.

What if I have to work on Saturday to put food on the table for my family? He that doesn't look after his own family is worse than an unbeliever.

 

[KennethC]

Well, hello there. Someone who acknowledges my posts. That wasn't the point of my post. I was asking what is the end game here? What does it matter that those things existed in the law? What is the point, how does it apply to us? How did it ever help anyone who observed the law?

Because justice, mercy, and faith has always been taught by God !!!

He has never changed on those 3 aspects as we are still to follow them, but the only difference is that unlike the written law of the old covenant the justice is to be left up to Him to carry out. We no longer are required to carry out the physical punishments (curse of the law) on others as the ordinances called for.

We are called to show love, mercy, and forgiveness to all people, and love is even said in the word to be GREATER then faith. Why ???

Because by love all else is established, upheld, and thus fulfilled in the faith, including the commandments of the Lord !!!

 

[just-me]

There is also more about David you referred to in you previous post concerning his fornication and the mercy of God according to the law.
Check this out 2 Samuel 12:1-7 in relation to Exodus 22:1

Further, before more unrelated comments are made. David's first born of Bathsheba paid the price as a foreshadowing of God's only Son paying the price. This is righteous judgment, mercy, and faithfulness, together with love, in relation to the law of the 4 lambs defined in Exodus 22:1. Mark it up as the "law of liberty."

 

[BenFTW]

Because justice, mercy, and faith has always been taught by God !!!

He has never changed on those 3 aspects as we are still to follow them, but the only difference is that unlike the written law of the old covenant the justice is to be left up to Him to carry out. We no longer are required to carry out the physical punishments (curse of the law) on others as the ordinances called for.

We are called to show love, mercy, and forgiveness to all people, and love is even said in the word to be GREATER then faith. Why ???

Because by love all else is established, upheld, and thus fulfilled in the faith, including the commandments of the Lord !!!

The problem is that it is His love, the agape love of God, that does this, not your own loving kindness. It is the love He has imparted to you that accomplishes this, not your own righteousness or good works. Which I think you agree with, from previous discussions.

 

[KennethC]

What if I have to work on Saturday to put food on the table for my family? He that doesn't look after his own family is worse than an unbeliever.

This is not a Sabbath thread, but if you are working on Saturday or Sunday (makes no difference) to feed your family then you are obeying the Word of God. For taking care of our household is doing for God, for God commanded it !!!

 

[KennethC]

The problem is that it is His love, the agape love of God, that does this, not your own loving kindness. It is the love He has imparted to you that accomplishes this, not your own righteousness or good works. Which I think you agree with, from previous discussions.

His love and His righteousness though is what will show out in our actions.

You can not say God imparts these on us and then there be absolutely no evidence of it in our live by how we walk !!!

 

[just-me]

What if I have to work on Saturday to put food on the table for my family? He that doesn't look after his own family is worse than an unbeliever.

Get over it. Leading questions that mean nothing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because justice, mercy, and faith has always been taught by God !!!

He has never changed on those 3 aspects as we are still to follow them, but the only difference is that unlike the written law of the old covenant the justice is to be left up to Him to carry out. We no longer are required to carry out the physical punishments (curse of the law) on others as the ordinances called for.

We are called to show love, mercy, and forgiveness to all people, and love is even said in the word to be GREATER then faith. Why ???

Because by love all else is established, upheld, and thus fulfilled in the faith, including the commandments of the Lord !!!

Then the fact they are a part of the law is meaningless, because they were always Gods way (which is what we have been saying since day 1, and whay Abraham and Noah realised them.

thus this whole thread was a waste of our time. but just another means to get people to follow law.

 

[BenFTW]

His love and His righteousness though is what will show out in our actions.

You can not say God imparts these on us and then there be absolutely no evidence of it in our live by how we walk !!!

Who has said such a thing? Why the heck do you always say this as if you are refuting something, which none of us have ever said? It is growing old, fast. I am sorry for being short, but enough is enough. Stop rehashing the same replies and addressing something that isn't even there...

The fruit doesn't save us for the hundredth time. No, thousandth time.

 

[KennethC]

Agreed!

Too many keep a Sabbath day according to a pagan calendar. Saturday isn't necessarily the sabbath, but according to the Gregorian calendar Saturday is the 7th day of the week. This has nothing to do with the spiritual aspects thereof. It's only a physical application that seems to obscure the true spiritual implications, and the subject has nothing to do with the original question endorsed in the OP. It is another "side step" in order to evade the obvious.

Judgment, mercy, and faith found in the law is the subject.

Further, before more unrelated comments are made. David's first born of Bathsheba paid the price as a foreshadowing of God's only Son paying the price. This is righteous judgment, mercy, and faithfulness, together with love, in relation to the law of the 4 lambs defined in Exodus 22:1. Mark it up as the "law of liberty."

Yeah I know this is not the topic of the thread and sorry for going off topic, but when one is actually wanting to seek the truth in God's word then by the Holy Spirit I can not resist to answer them.

I only resist and separate from those who are negative in responses, twist my words, and continue to state false allegations on me. Those are all works of flesh (spirit of antichrist) working through that/those individuals, and after admonishing them a couple of times I dust my feet off and walk away.

They can continue to attack me all they want, and it is sad when I see other brothers and sisters in Christ agree with their tactic's.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who has said such a thing? Why the heck do you always say this as if you are refuting something, which none of us have ever said? It is growing old, fast. I am sorry for being short, but enough is enough. Stop rehashing the same replies and addressing something that isn't even there...

The fruit doesn't save us for the hundredth time. No thousandth time.

He has me blocked for claiming he believes something he does not, yet keeps saying we say things we have never said.

What do they call that?

 

[BenFTW]

He has me blocked for claiming he believes something he does not, yet keeps saying we say things we have never said.

What do they call that?

Funny enough, the topic of this thread. Hypocrisy. haha

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is not a Sabbath thread, but if you are working on Saturday or Sunday (makes no difference) to feed your family then you are obeying the Word of God. For taking care of our household is doing for God, for God commanded it !!!

Well I only used the sabbath as an example. So I can not follow the law of Moses in order to do the will of GOD. I agree.

 

[KennethC]

Who has said such a thing? Why the heck do you always say this as if you are refuting something, which none of us have ever said? It is growing old, fast. I am sorry for being short, but enough is enough. Stop rehashing the same replies and addressing something that isn't even there...

The fruit doesn't save us for the hundredth time. No thousandth time.

How many times have I seen you or another say the fruit of the Holy Spirit does not have to be evident in a believers life ???

Then you take and use an example of a death bed confession such as the thief on the cross, and use it in such a way to try to say a believer who lives long enough to produce fruit still does not have to.

Lord Jesus said everybody who does not continue to abide in Him and produce fruit will be cut off and burned, and Apostle Paul states similar to this in Romans 11:22.

You say enough is enough yet you still agree with and side with those who are so loosely throwing around the legalistic term, and even continue to try to say we are teaching works to earn salvation. You say enough is enough which is true, but your side needs to stop their unedifying tactic's as well.

 

[KennethC]

Well I only used the sabbath as an example. So I can not follow the law of Moses in order to do the will of GOD. I agree.

Nobody is saying you have to obey the Law of Moses (written ordinances).....................

The Sabbath does have a Spiritual and moral meaning as well besides just the written ordinance aspect, which is why I said one has to lean to discern between the two before getting involved in such discussions.

Because if we are going to throw out the Spiritual (moral) right along with the written ordinance, then one can say a person can live however they want (including sinfully) and still end up with salvation. We know that is not true !!!

 

[BenFTW]

How many times have I seen you or another say the fruit of the Holy Spirit does not have to be evident in a believers life ???

Then you take and use an example of a death bed confession such as the thief on the cross, and use it in such a way to try to say a believer who lives long enough to produce fruit still does not have to.

Lord Jesus said everybody who does not continue to abide in Him and produce fruit will be cut off and burned, and Apostle Paul states similar to this in Romans 11:22.

You say enough is enough yet you still agree with and side with those who are so loosely throwing around the legalistic term, and even continue to try to say we are teaching works to earn salvation. You say enough is enough which is true, but your side needs to stop their unedifying tactic's as well.

You put the cart before the horse, that is the problem. I addressed this in length in my thread on Legalism's Mistake: Confusing Cause and Effect (Sanctification). I have never stated the fruit doesn't follow conversion but am saying the necessity for them is not what saves. They do follow believers, but they are not the means to salvation. If someone is a born-again saved child of God, they will have fruit. However, that fruit isn't what saves them Jesus does. How can you disagree with such a foundational teaching of the Gospel? If you do agree, then why the semantics?

There are babes in Christ who are carnal such as the Corinthians and yet such people are saved if they were to die in their carnality. Why? Because they may be babes, yet they are in Christ! He is our Savior. Our fruit or good works don't maintain our salvation or save us. You agree with this! So the necessity for fruit doesn't mean the works save us, but it does reveal a true believer. However, stop judging! Examine yourself, not others. See if you are in the faith.

 

[just-me]

How many times have I seen you or another say the fruit of the Holy Spirit does not have to be evident in a believers life ???

Then you take and use an example of a death bed confession such as the thief on the cross, and use it in such a way to try to say a believer who lives long enough to produce fruit still does not have to.

Lord Jesus said everybody who does not continue to abide in Him and produce fruit will be cut off and burned, and Apostle Paul states similar to this in Romans 11:22.

You say enough is enough yet you still agree with and side with those who are so loosely throwing around the legalistic term, and even continue to try to say we are teaching works to earn salvation. You say enough is enough which is true, but your side needs to stop their unedifying tactic's as well.

And Ben wonders why I have him on ignore? I'm not happy about that, but the Bible says "foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes." That's obvious, and I'd rather follow the Word of God rather than succumb to human instinct that the adversary preys on. It isn't easy.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Nobody is saying you have to obey the Law of Moses (written ordinances).....................

The Sabbath does have a Spiritual and moral meaning as well besides just the written ordinance aspect, which is why I said one has to lean to discern between the two before getting involved in such discussions.

Because if we are going to throw out the Spiritual (moral) right along with the written ordinance, then one can say a person can live however they want (including sinfully) and still end up with salvation. We know that is not true !!!

Wanna bet that no one is saying the law of Moses has to be obeyed?

The spiritual meaning of the sabbath law is resting in Christ's finished work. That can be done while breaking the letter. Therefore, the letter is meaningless in terms of salvation. Edification? Yes. Salvation? No.