Tithes & Offering
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food for thought - mega churches and their tax free wealth
all comes from tithing to receive a blessing
mostly goes on lifestyle purchases and private jets
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Yes this is a very serious issue. Essentially it is robbing God on one hand and criminal negligence on the other.
I am absolutely for giving to the church or other works of ministry.
2Cor 9
6Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
There's all kinds of scriptures in the NT on giving, and that's not just money, either.
But nothing in the NT on tithing.
If anybody in the NT deserved the tithe, I would suppose the apostles in Jerusalem would.
Yet, when Paul collects for the poor church at Jerusalem, never once does he collect tithes. Nobody does.
Offerings galore, but never a tithe mentioned.
Neither is it mentioned in Timothy or Titus, three letters sent to young pastors/leaders to teach them about their responsibilities.
NOTHING. It's not carried over with the moral law from the OT.
2Cor 9
6Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
There's all kinds of scriptures in the NT on giving, and that's not just money, either.
But nothing in the NT on tithing.
If anybody in the NT deserved the tithe, I would suppose the apostles in Jerusalem would.
Yet, when Paul collects for the poor church at Jerusalem, never once does he collect tithes. Nobody does.
Offerings galore, but never a tithe mentioned.
Neither is it mentioned in Timothy or Titus, three letters sent to young pastors/leaders to teach them about their responsibilities.
NOTHING. It's not carried over with the moral law from the OT.
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Depends on what you mean by "tithes and offering" the greatest among these would be "making time for God/Jesus" for while it is written to give 10% of that which one has from one's pay(not 1 dollar by default,10%) money is of no worth to God for what hath he need of it?
But it is "our giving" which pleaseth him as well as "humbling" ourselves to him which cheers him,for think of the woman whom gave "all she had" 2 mites/wheat pennies,and Jesus told that she had given more than all who had given of the people around her.
Also many have "stood on it's mere tradition" to give "only exactly 10%".
Let us ask ourselves when we give of ourselves especially to God,"did he hold back from us"?Nay he gave us far more than we deserved not even keeping his son from us".
2 Corinthians 9:6-7Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
6 And this: He who is sowing sparingly, sparingly also shall reap; and he who is sowing in blessings, in blessings also shall reap;
7 each one, according as he doth purpose in heart, not out of sorrow or out of necessity, for a cheerful giver doth God love,
6 And this: He who is sowing sparingly, sparingly also shall reap; and he who is sowing in blessings, in blessings also shall reap;
7 each one, according as he doth purpose in heart, not out of sorrow or out of necessity, for a cheerful giver doth God love,
I wonder, do taxes and social/health security payments in a country count too?
In my country, we give to the state 57% of our salary. Its used for various things, but also for health insurance and social benefits to poor.
So do I need to give another 10% as "tithe"?
In my country, we give to the state 57% of our salary. Its used for various things, but also for health insurance and social benefits to poor.
So do I need to give another 10% as "tithe"?
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I thought this for a number of years. That changed after exploring the O.T. further(beyond the verses pro-tithing preachers/teachers/churches use).
Tithe advocating(sometimes demanding) churches miss a few things from the O.T. on tithing:
In the O.T., you will read of 3 separate types of tithes. Levitical, Festival, and Poor tithe. Math will quickly tell us that 3 tithes are not just 10%.
In, the O.T., tithes were not on money, were not the "first and best", and were not the responsibility of those who didn't raise livestock or crops. Furthermore, fields were rested every 7th year and the Year of Jubilee(meaning no tithes were offered on those fields those years).
Tithes were not taken to the storehouse by the Israelites. The Levites gathered the tithes and took a tithe of the tithes to the storehouse(Neh 10:37-38).
Tithes were not the same as offerings. Tithes were not the same as first-fruits. In modern church lingo, tithes/offerings/first-fruits often seem to be incorrectly treated as synonymous.
I'm curious about who this may have been. Sounds refreshing!
If he was preaching against mandated tithing, or was against a "10% minimum", I'd agree with him.
While I'm an opponent of tithing(the multiple types of tithes were O.T. requirements), offerings and sacrificial giving has no limits...no minimum of maximum...they are as God leads us.
I have not seen any scripture that's against it. So, what do u guys think? About a month ago there was an excellent post with plenty of Scripture that explained O.T. tithing. You may find it fascinating: click here.
Thanks every1. D new testament indeed talks about giving in general. So, it combines tithes and offering priciple. If u sow sparingly u reap sparing and if u do so bountifully, u'll reap bountifully. So lets say, a millionaire just drops a 100bucks in d needy box every Sunday, he is robbing God. He will also reap what he has sown.
Don't u agree?
Don't u agree?
Tithing and Offerings are wonderful ways that God can help us love HIM more than money which frees us from the "love of money," while financially promoting His Gospel and meeting the needs of others.
Tithing and Offerings promote love for God and others.
Tithing and Offerings promote love for God and others.
Had you just said "offerings" that would have sufficed. Tithes introduces a whole different concept related to the Levitical priesthood, which has been abolished and replaced with "the order of Melchizedek" (Christ).Tithing and Offerings promote love for God and others.
Yes he did. But Christ used the poor widow who gave her all as the shining example for Christians. He also said "It is more blessed to give than to receive". So in the New Testament we are taught about the"grace" of giving, which is also called "liberality".
2 Corinthians 8:1-9:15
1 Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;
2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
3 For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves;
4 Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.
5 And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.
6 Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also.
7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.
8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
10 And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago.
11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.
12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:
15 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
16 But thanks be to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you.
17 For indeed he accepted the exhortation; but being more forward, of his own accord he went unto you.
18 And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;
19 And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
20 Avoiding this, that no man should blame us in this abundance which is administered by us:
21 Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.
22 And we have sent with them our brother, whom we have oftentimes proved diligent in many things, but now much more diligent, upon the great confidence which I have in you.
23 Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ.
24 Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.
1 For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:
2 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.
3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:
4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.
5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread foryour food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
14 And by their prayer for you, which long after you for the exceeding grace of God in you.
15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
There is no combining of tithes and offerings. Collecting and using tithes in a way that oversteps the order God has determined is a sin. To request tithes for any purpose other than the strict guidelines of the Old Testament is wrong. Churches today have a rather cavalier attitude toward the use of OT themes in modern times. They will cherry-pick laws that suit their purposes, showing little reverence to the scriptures themselves.
There is no such thing as a voluntary or freewill tithe. Tithing was to be done as a command with both blessings and curses attached to its obedience. If someone wants to give a tenth of his income to his local church that is honorable but to claim the fulfilling of this law is foolish.
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has anyone else ever heard of a church that taught its people do not tithe? thats new to me.
There is no need to teach that which is not possible to be done. What churches are doing today is twisting the OT principle of tithing into a quasi-mandatory edict in place of freewill offerings. It is not possible to tithe in the matter that the bible describes.
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Taffi and I are delighted that you have chosen to visit our web site! We welcome you, and pray the Word of God delivered from this ministry becomes a testimony you can share with friends and family.
~ Creflo Dollar
When I watch TV ministries on various Christian channels apart from the constant videoing
messages of how you can make a contribution via credit card, telephone, direct deposit,
which is highly offensive and shows up what these rich ministries are about.
But what really galls me is the lie that if you give to my ministry [a love gift] then the Lord
will bless you abundantly and increase your wealth.