Tithing Question

[eternally-gratefull]

This is to all who claim that tithing is not required in the NT. Show me a verse that says it is not required in the NT. All I have read is opinions so far no texts. Tithing was already practiced in the days of the Jesus so show me a verse that it has been discontinued, if you cannot then that means it has continued.

Forgive the intrusion here. Tithing was practiced by the jews who considered themselves still under law. There is no proof anyone outside of the pharisees and Sadducee system tithed.

As someone said before. Many things which were required by the law are no longer required. What would make people think tithing is any different, especially since it is never commanded to anyone in the church outside of Jewish tradition.

 

[Graybeard]

I want to see NT scripture where tithing is required...

and I want to see NT Scripture where tithing is not required.....

 

[Laodicea]

Forgive the intrusion here. Tithing was practiced by the jews who considered themselves still under law. There is no proof anyone outside of the pharisees and Sadducee system tithed.

As someone said before. Many things which were required by the law are no longer required. What would make people think tithing is any different, especially since it is never commanded to anyone in the church outside of Jewish tradition.

Show me a verse. Abraham paid tithe before Israel were given any Laws.

 

[Red33]

The problem is when you put people under law and say it is required.

I have seen many a brother fall apart because they tithed cheerfully, even when they were unable to do so. because they thought they had to. After split marriages and bankruptcy. they ended up leaving God. Why? Because they forgot to render ceasar what was ceasars because the church demanded they tithe.

You won't find a NT passage telling us to tithe, because it is no longer requred. we do not have the levitical priesthood any longer.

Abraham did not have to tithe to Melchizadech, he did so out of th ekindness of his heart, he could certainly afford to.

If we can, Thats awsome, and I believe God will bless it. But to say it is required and your in sin if you do not. That is sin in and of itself, because it is returning to law.

You dare blame the giving of tithes and offerings for causing bankruptcy, split marriages and falling away from God. I don't think so and I don't think it had anything to do with it no matter what you observed, because those are issues of the heart? ...and you won't find a NT verse or passage of instructions forbidding the believer from giving of tithes and offerings and we are under grace and a greater priesthood and are members of the body of Christ, the church, the fulness of God.

You use the word 'required' and that makes it fall under the law as being something legislated. You do that because you are oriented in your faith that way. God does not require a tithe or offerings but He does expect it because He was the one that gave the increase to begin with and wants the believer to give back a tithe (a tenth part of the increase) and any offerings that are needed. It is not difficult to understand but when it is resisted and not honored by faith through grace, then people have a problem with it, like yourself.

Abraham did not give a tenth part (a tithe) to Melchesidec under any law or restraint and you don't have a leg to stand on in the scriptures that let's the believer know that tithing and offerings have been done away with. Even (Heb 7) testifies against your understanding.

 

[Laodicea]

Also the tithe belongs to God so we do not pay tithe we return tithe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Show me a verse. Abraham paid tithe before Israel were given any Laws.

Did Abraham have to. Or did he do it because he wanted to?

Show me a verse which commands anyone in the church to tithe

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Also the tithe belongs to God so we do not pay tithe we return tithe.

Show me where a tithe is money.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You dare blame the giving of tithes and offerings for causing bankruptcy, split marriages and falling away from God. I don't think so and I don't think it had anything to do with it no matter what you observed, because those are issues of the heart?

lol. This guy was told by MANY brothers in Christ to stop tithing, and give what he can afford. Even his wife begged him too. He refused because he was stuck in legalistic crap you all are demanding. He swore God would be faithfull and return his money and he would get out of debt (he and his wife was not a person who was into buying a bunch and did not have much debt so no that was not it)

...and you won't find a NT verse or passage of instructions forbidding the believer from giving of tithes and offerings and we are under grace and a greater priesthood and are members of the body of Christ, the church, the fulness of God.

As I have said 100 times, If you can tithe, do it. Thats awsome, I am not against tithing. I am against those who demand it and say we are in sin if we do not do it. You know that, you can see it in here, So don't you go the deep end and say I am saying something you KNOW I am not saying.

You use the word 'required' and that makes it fall under the law as being something legislated. You do that because you are oriented in your faith that way. God does not require a tithe or offerings but He does expect it because He was the one that gave the increase to begin with and wants the believer to give back a tithe (a tenth part of the increase) and any offerings that are needed. It is not difficult to understand but when it is resisted and not honored by faith through grace, then people have a problem with it, like yourself.

You just contradicted yourself. It is not required but God expects it. This is a major contradiction. If God expects it, and does not get it, we would be in sin, or did you forget that part?

Abraham did not give a tenth part (a tithe) to Melchesidec under any law or restraint and you don't have a leg to stand on in the scriptures that let's the believer know that tithing and offerings have been done away with. Even (Heb 7) testifies against your understanding.

Abraham did not have to, nor was he following any law, He did what he wanted to do.

The people in Isreal had no choice, they were commanded to.

are we under abrahams giving of the heart. or the commandment of the law?

 

[fretslide]

Show me a verse. Abraham paid tithe before Israel were given any Laws.

Abraham tithed only of the spoils of war not of his own wealth, he then gave the remaining 90% back to the original owner. He wasn't under obligation to tithe, he didn't even tithe of his own goods and neither is there any record of him tithing on a regular basis so this can't be used as a template for todays tithing teaching which demands you tithe 10% or face all the curses of Deuteronomy 28.

Jacobs tithe in addition to not being commanded was conditional on God fulfilling his requests, So if we are following that template, just tell the Lord what you want and if he delivers, you give him a 10% cut.

Neither of the two recorded pre law tithing incidents match the tithing doctrine being taught today, so we are back to the only examples of tithing in the bible all being under law.

 

[fretslide]

We've had the guilt trip and pre law tithing arguments already, but the first one to use the God robbing scripture has to buy the coffees.

 

[A-Omega]

Abraham tithed only of the spoils of war not of his own wealth, he then gave the remaining 90% back to the original owner. He wasn't under obligation to tithe, he didn't even tithe of his own goods and neither is there any record of him tithing on a regular basis so this can't be used as a template for todays tithing teaching which demands you tithe 10% or face all the curses of Deuteronomy 28.

Jacobs tithe in addition to not being commanded was conditional on God fulfilling his requests, So if we are following that template, just tell the Lord what you want and if he delivers, you give him a 10% cut.

Neither of the two recorded pre law tithing incidents match the tithing doctrine being taught today, so we are back to the only examples of tithing in the bible all being under law.

Amen and Amen. Thank you for you actually rightly dividing the Word and not just throwing a verse out there with no context.

 

[Laodicea]

As I said before, show me a verse from the nt that says we do not have to pay tithe and do it without making any comments. If you cannot then that means we are to pay tithe

 

[fretslide]

As I said before, show me a verse from the nt that says we do not have to pay tithe and do it without making any comments. If you cannot then that means we are to pay tithe

The law also says you should stone rebellious children to death. If I can't show you a scripture that annuls that part of the law will you still be doing it?

And just to clarify, when you say "tithe" which of the 3 different tithes are you talking about?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As I said before, show me a verse from the nt that says we do not have to pay tithe and do it without making any comments. If you cannot then that means we are to pay tithe

lol. wow, What kind of argument is this?

No command to tithe, no command not to tithe (stalemate)

Tithe is a tradition commanded by law, like circumcision, sacrifice etc etc., All of which were also done before the law, just like you showed with the tithe. (many sacrifices before law, etcetc...And most no longer required after law.,

and you do not even want to give an inch and admit it might not be commanded, but take is as fact with NO PROOF.

wow

I have heard of having disagreements before, but this is not even discusing anything. This is do as I say or else!

 

[Red33]

Amen and Amen. Thank you for you actually rightly dividing the Word and not just throwing a verse out there with no context.

Go read (Heb 7) and study it verse by verse and compare it with other scriptures and don't forget that the book of Hebrews is part of the new testament and not the old and was made active through the death of the testator (Heb 9:16,17).

 

[Nautilus]

How about 2 Corintihians 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

 

[OFM]

WE GIVE TO GOD WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY GODS FOR SOME THAT COULD BE 3% or 5% 0r 16.7% or 26.78% AL MY INCOME $$$$$$$ IS THE BLESSED HOLY TRINITY'S ALLWAYS HAS BEEN ALLWAYS WILL B THE LORD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER SCRIPTURE SAYS IF IT IS 1% or 100% whatever the % its ALL GOOD TOO ME.AND I BELIEVE IT IS ALL GOOD TOGOD TOO THIS I PERSONALLY SPIRITUALLY BELIEVE AMEN,BLESSED GIVING NO MATTER WHAT % YOU GIVE FROM WITHIN YOUR SPIRITUAL CHRISTIAN HEART AMEN ALLWAYS.

 

[Red33]

lol. wow, What kind of argument is this?

No command to tithe, no command not to tithe (stalemate)

Tithe is a tradition commanded by law, like circumcision, sacrifice etc etc., All of which were also done before the law, just like you showed with the tithe. (many sacrifices before law, etcetc...And most no longer required after law.,

and you do not even want to give an inch and admit it might not be commanded, but take is as fact with NO PROOF.

wow

I have heard of having disagreements before, but this is not even discusing anything. This is do as I say or else!

There is no stalemate because the giving of tithes and offerings were being practiced and never stopped being practiced. But you have somehow made a foolish argument that they were no longer necessary being under the law and there is no need because their is no Levitical priesthood. Heb 7 addresses that concerning Levi, the loins of Abraham and the priesthood, but you will not consider what it says and have refrained the truth of Heb 7 to enter your faith. You are missing something very important and extremely relevant concerning our faith. You are lost to it as are those who believe as you do, it is much more than a tithe under the law it is an unchanging priesthood that is perpetual.

 

[fretslide]

Go read (Heb 7) and study it verse by verse and compare it with other scriptures and don't forget that the book of Hebrews is part of the new testament and not the old and was made active through the death of the testator (Heb 9:16,17).

which other scriptures should it be compared to?

Hebrews 7 is about the fact that Jesus is now our eternal high priest and his priesthood has replaced the Levitical priesthood of the law.

Because the blood of Jesus atones perpetually for our sins, there is no longer a need for a Levitical priesthood and more importantly, no longer the need for a tithe to support them.

Heb 7:18-19: The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. (NIV)


Hebrews 9 teaches that Jesus death and the shedding of his blood ratified the new covenant and also in verse 14 says his blood also "purifies our consciences from dead works and lifeless observances to serve the ever living God"

I'm not sure how you are taking that to mean tithing is still in force today, can you expand?

 

[Laodicea]

lol. wow, What kind of argument is this?

No command to tithe, no command not to tithe (stalemate)

Tithe is a tradition commanded by law, like circumcision, sacrifice etc etc., All of which were also done before the law, just like you showed with the tithe. (many sacrifices before law, etcetc...And most no longer required after law.,

and you do not even want to give an inch and admit it might not be commanded, but take is as fact with NO PROOF.

wow

I have heard of having disagreements before, but this is not even discusing anything. This is do as I say or else!

You people are claiming that tithing is not part of the NT so then you should have no problem showing a verse. Doctrine is based on the Bible not someones opinion of the Bible.