Tithing

[RevelationMan]

I prefer using the most original version, the Aramaic:


ܘܝ ܠܟܘܢ ܣܦܪܐ ܘܦܪܝܫܐ ܢܣܒܝ ܒܐܦܐ ܕܡܥܣܪܝܢ ܐܢܬܘܢ ܢܢܥܐ ܘܫܒܬܐ ܘܟܡܘܢܐ ܘܫܒܩܬܘܢ ܝܩܝܪܬܗ ܕܢܡܘܣܐ ܕܝܢܐ ܘܚܢܢܐ ܘܗܝܡܢܘܬܐ ܗܠܝܢ ܕܝܢ ܘܠܐ ܗܘܐ ܕܬܥܒܕܘܢ ܘܗܠܝܢ ܠܐ ܬܫܒܩܘܢ
23 Woe unto you, Saphre {Scribes} and Phrishe {Pharisees}, Nasbay Baphe {Hypocrites}! Because you tithe nan {mint}, and shabetha {dill}, and kamuna {cumin}, and you forget the more important things of The Namusa {The Law}: Diyna {Judgment}, and Khanana {Mercy}, and Haymanutha {Faith}. Now, these things were proper that you should have done them, and these things you shouldn’t have forgotten.

Notice what Eshu (Jesus/Yeshua) is saying here. Because you tithe nan {mint}, and shabetha {dill}, and kamuna {cumin}, and you forget the more important things of The Namusa {The Law}:
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He is saying tithing is part of the LAW.
We are not nor have ever been under the LAW!

The 10 commandments are the LAW as well yet Jesus reinforced the importance of these rules. Likewise he reinforced the part of the LAW that requested a 10th of our resources. I agree, however, that we are not under the LAW but that doesn't mean we don't abide by the most important parts of the LAW and Jesus obviously thought it was important enough to encourage a tithe. The LAW is there to support the greatest command of LOVE.

 

[biker]

The 10 commandments are the LAW as well yet Jesus reinforced the importance of these rules. Likewise he reinforced the part of the LAW that requested a 10th of our resources. I agree, however, that we are not under the LAW but that doesn't mean we don't abide by the most important parts of the LAW and Jesus obviously thought it was important enough to encourage a tithe. The LAW is there to support the greatest command of LOVE.

I am not telling you to stop paying tithes, God blesses a cheerful giver. I am not telling you to stop obeying the 10 Commandments because following them will keep your nose clean before God. But nothing of the LAW is required any more. In my view, if we want to obey the Law for good practices, we will be better for it. But if we want to obey the Law for spiritual matters, we might as well keep Crucifying Jesus over and over.

 

[Guojing]

The 10 commandments are the LAW as well yet Jesus reinforced the importance of these rules. Likewise he reinforced the part of the LAW that requested a 10th of our resources. I agree, however, that we are not under the LAW but that doesn't mean we don't abide by the most important parts of the LAW and Jesus obviously thought it was important enough to encourage a tithe. The LAW is there to support the greatest command of LOVE.

The point the rest of us are saying is, don't give because the law says so, or because you are afraid to break the law.

Give because it is wise for one to do so. You will only benefit from giving.

 

[Dino246]

Tithing to me merely means 10%. There is no other meaning I attached to the word.

Yet twice now you have implied that those who do not "tithe" don't give anything at all, or have unhealthy views about money.

 

[Dino246]

it is not entirely true because Jesus did indirectly command us to give a tithe or 10% of our resources in Matt 23:23

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Look carefully at the grammar: "You should have practiced the latter".

Past tense. Done. Finished. We Christians are not under the same covenant under which the Pharisees lived.

 

[Guojing]

Yet twice now you have implied that those who do not "tithe" don't give anything at all, or have unhealthy views about money.

I am talking about how a Christian should think about money. If you disagree, just present your counter-arguments.

 

[Dino246]

I am talking about how a Christian should think about money. If you disagree, just present your counter-arguments.

I have. I think your position is not biblically sound. The commands around tithing are from the Law, Christians aren't under the Law. There is nothing in Scripture that commands, suggests, or even hints that Christians should tithe. Tithing in Scripture was never with money, though provision was made for that. With the exception of Abraham's one-time giving of war spoils, tithing was never voluntary.

Your position is an awkward conflation of bits of Mosaic law and unbiblical church practice. You haven't even drawn all the Law regarding tithing into your position, but just the bits that go neatly with modern church culture. Try buying wine or strong drink with your tithe money and bringing it to the next church supper, and see how that goes over.

 

[Guojing]

I have. I think your position is not biblically sound. The commands around tithing are from the Law, Christians aren't under the Law. There is nothing in Scripture that commands, suggests, or even hints that Christians should tithe. Tithing in Scripture was never with money, though provision was made for that. With the exception of Abraham's one-time giving of war spoils, tithing was never voluntary.

Your position is an awkward conflation of bits of Mosaic law and unbiblical church practice. You haven't even drawn all the Law regarding tithing into your position, but just the bits that go neatly with modern church culture. Try buying wine or strong drink with your tithe money and bringing it to the next church supper, and see how that goes over.

Okay, you disagree with my view. I am fine with that.

Do you have any view on the parable of the unjust steward? What do you think the Lord is teaching there?

 

[Guojing]

I think I can somewhat understand the op issue with tithing. I mean if you think about it plenty of people have started churches knowing that they are tax exempt And if you sell key word there sell a popular belief system that makes people give lots of tithing they can just rake in the money that way.

And as for whether or not it's for salvation if money is what saved us then I being the poor person I am must be going to hell and bill gates to heaven

Why do you think Jesus praise the woman who put in 2 small mites in the temple treasury?

 

[Blain]

I prefer using the most original version, the Aramaic:


ܘܝ ܠܟܘܢ ܣܦܪܐ ܘܦܪܝܫܐ ܢܣܒܝ ܒܐܦܐ ܕܡܥܣܪܝܢ ܐܢܬܘܢ ܢܢܥܐ ܘܫܒܬܐ ܘܟܡܘܢܐ ܘܫܒܩܬܘܢ ܝܩܝܪܬܗ ܕܢܡܘܣܐ ܕܝܢܐ ܘܚܢܢܐ ܘܗܝܡܢܘܬܐ ܗܠܝܢ ܕܝܢ ܘܠܐ ܗܘܐ ܕܬܥܒܕܘܢ ܘܗܠܝܢ ܠܐ ܬܫܒܩܘܢ
23 Woe unto you, Saphre {Scribes} and Phrishe {Pharisees}, Nasbay Baphe {Hypocrites}! Because you tithe nan {mint}, and shabetha {dill}, and kamuna {cumin}, and you forget the more important things of The Namusa {The Law}: Diyna {Judgment}, and Khanana {Mercy}, and Haymanutha {Faith}. Now, these things were proper that you should have done them, and these things you shouldn’t have forgotten.

Notice what Eshu (Jesus/Yeshua) is saying here. Because you tithe nan {mint}, and shabetha {dill}, and kamuna {cumin}, and you forget the more important things of The Namusa {The Law}:
^
He is saying tithing is part of the LAW.
We are not nor have ever been under the LAW!

Why do you think Jesus praise the woman who put in 2 small mites in the temple treasury?

She gave all she had which wasn't much while the people with probably back issues with all the coins they had in their purses gave but did so with very little and also in a boastful way.
Money doesn't save and it also isn't the root of all evil but like any tool it can be used to express what is in your heart. I admire this women for what she did but money isn't what saves what was in her heart is. I love to help people with money I don't have much but I also have all my needs met so I don't see the point in having money if I can't help others with it. However her needs were not met and she gave her everything I can only ask for a miracle to be that humble

 

[Guojing]

She gave all she had which wasn't much while the people with probably back issues with all the coins they had in their purses gave but did so with very little and also in a boastful way.
Money doesn't save and it also isn't the root of all evil but like any tool it can be used to express what is in your heart. I admire this women for what she did but money isn't what saves what was in her heart is. I love to help people with money I don't have much but I also have all my needs met so I don't see the point in having money if I can't help others with it. However her needs were not met and she gave her everything I can only ask for a miracle to be that humble

So its the % that matters.

 

[DBurrage]

Why do you think Jesus praise the woman who put in 2 small mites in the temple treasury?

Is tithing required by modern day Christians, yes or no?

 

[Mii]

It's not that simple. Are we still to keep the sabbath? Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. He is also the Lord of your life and also your finances (or should be)...so what you do with your money should be as clear as how you spend/give/steward your time. Also note that the letter of the law kills. The heart of the law is what must be engaged.

I focus on every element (as I may) in regard to stewardship...the 10% command rarely factors in. Consider the fact that priests did not tithe and then consider Hebrews regarding the king of Salem. May this apply?

Each person is different but there is also the matter of taxes and how the money is spent regardless and the personal leeway we each have in that matter.

Is tithing required by modern day Christians, yes or no?

 

[Guojing]

Is tithing required by modern day Christians, yes or no?

I already said its not. It does not mean there are no benefits to you when you loosen your grip on money.

 

[DBurrage]

I already said its not. It does not mean there are no benefits to you when you loosen your grip on money.

I wasn't quoting you.

 

[DBurrage]

It's not that simple. Are we still to keep the sabbath? Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. He is also the Lord of your life and also your finances (or should be)...so what you do with your money should be as clear as how you spend/give/steward your time. Also note that the letter of the law kills. The heart of the law is what must be engaged.

I focus on every element (as I may) in regard to stewardship...the 10% command rarely factors in. Consider the fact that priests did not tithe and then consider Hebrews regarding the king of Salem. May this apply?

Each person is different but there is also the matter of taxes and how the money is spent regardless and the personal leeway we each have in that matter.

It is as simple as that.

Please provide an answer rather than a list of questions.

 

[Mii]

It is as simple as that.

It isn't for me. It has required a lot of searching/seeking and listening. I only have put forward what has helped me come to conclusions. Putting forward that the letter of the law kills is pretty clear...but finding the fulfillment of the law and heart of the Lord in many of these matters is unique and I can't tell you simply yes or no.

If none of the questions I posed caused deeper thought then without getting into the law and the state of Israel as it existed back then it would be difficult to explain why no I don't think you should "tithe" in a legalistic fashion but rather give your finances to the Lord and have him direct you. It could be 1% or 100%...how am I to say?

Your offering is unique and between you and the Lord.

 

[Guojing]

It isn't for me. It has required a lot of searching/seeking and listening. I only have put forward what has helped me come to conclusions. Putting forward that the letter of the law kills is pretty clear...but finding the fulfillment of the law and heart of the Lord in many of these matters is unique and I can't tell you simply yes or no.

If none of the questions I posed caused deeper thought then without getting into the law and the state of Israel as it existed back then it would be difficult to explain why no I don't think you should "tithe" in a legalistic fashion but rather give your finances to the Lord and have him direct you. It could be 1% or 100%...how am I to say?

Your offering is unique and between you and the Lord.

As I have said, people who are asking that are usually trying to justify why they are not giving any money to the church. Giving away money is actually the best way to break free of the hold mammon has on our lives.

If you don't want to give to the church but want to give to others, that is also fine.

 

[DBurrage]

I see that this thread is now attracting a few contributions that talk about the following points

1. Your offering is unique and between you and the Lord.

An offering is entirely different to a tithe. See the original post and attachments.

2. "If you don't want to give to a Church but want to give to others, that is also fine".

We're not talking about giving, we're talking about tithing. More specifically we're talking about how some so called Churches manipulate people to tithe money to the Church.


Tithing is NOT a requirement of modern day Christians.

 

[Guojing]

I see that this thread is now attracting a few contributions that talk about the following points

1. Your offering is unique and between you and the Lord.

An offering is entirely different to a tithe. See the original post and attachments.

2. "If you don't want to give to a Church but want to give to others, that is also fine".

We're not talking about giving, we're talking about tithing. More specifically we're talking about how some so called Churches manipulate people to tithe money to the Church.


Tithing is NOT a requirement of modern day Christians.

How about just replace the word tithe to what it really mean, which is "ten percent"?

Giving 10% of your money away is certainly not a requirement. But there are benefits if one does so.