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Deut. 30 - The condition- The Promise.
[h=3]The Choice of Life or Death[/h]11 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it.
15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess.19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; 20 that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”
[h=3]The Choice of Life or Death[/h]11 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it.
15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess.19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; 20 that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”
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I have an excuse? those stone should still stand or God lied. it is no excuse. can you prove they are not still there?
if forever does not mean forever, the word is useless.
why should I be assured of salvation od God can just take back his promise? sorry my friend, but your belief is a mock to Gods integrity and perfect love.
if forever does not mean forever, the word is useless.
why should I be assured of salvation od God can just take back his promise? sorry my friend, but your belief is a mock to Gods integrity and perfect love.
New American Standard Bible
"Therefore the LORD God of Israel declares, 'I did indeed say that your house and the house of your father should walk before Me forever'; but now the LORD declares, 'Far be it from Me-- for those who honor Me I will honor, and those who despise Me will be lightly esteemed. - 1 Samuel 2:30
"Therefore the LORD God of Israel declares, 'I did indeed say that your house and the house of your father should walk before Me forever'; but now the LORD declares, 'Far be it from Me-- for those who honor Me I will honor, and those who despise Me will be lightly esteemed. - 1 Samuel 2:30
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so deut 30 causes lev 26 to be discounted?
God did not give the promise in deut. he gave the promise in genesis.
Context my friend. Lev and deut were conditions to live in the land in peace. not as a means of God cancelling his promise made to abraham issac and jacob.
dwelling does not equal ownership.
you still have romans 11. Gods promises are irrevocable. period
AMEN!
Today's Israel is for sure in the New Covenant. Nevertheless one must be able to see the physical and the Spiritual combined on this matter. Actually the true Israel of today is still scattered throughout the entire world. Biblical prophecy confirms this for our time in history right here and right now. The physical Israel that is now in the Mideast is not the Israel as a whole that God will someday soon put together. All Israel being put together is described as the 2 sticks in God's hands. See Ezekiel 37
Today's Israel is for sure in the New Covenant. Nevertheless one must be able to see the physical and the Spiritual combined on this matter. Actually the true Israel of today is still scattered throughout the entire world. Biblical prophecy confirms this for our time in history right here and right now. The physical Israel that is now in the Mideast is not the Israel as a whole that God will someday soon put together. All Israel being put together is described as the 2 sticks in God's hands. See Ezekiel 37
BTW, Owlam, the Hebrew word for forever.
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
- long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
- ancient time, long time (of past)
- (of future)
- for ever, always
- continuous existence, perpetual
- everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity
- for ever, always
- ancient time, long time (of past)
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"Dispensationalists insist that this unbelieving Israel according to the flesh must be blessed by everyone. If this is the case, why indeed should Paul not be blessing them as the "Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16? But of course the premise is all wrong, because there is no blessing for those who reject Christ."
The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16)
Galatians 6:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP]May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.
Do with this post what you will. I will not be debating or responding further.
The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16)
Galatians 6:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP]May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.
Do with this post what you will. I will not be debating or responding further.
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I am just stated what the word of God says.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
as for abiding in Christ, I just proved whoever is born of God will abide in him, there is no ands ifs or buts about it. A person does not stop abiding in the savior. because it is the savior who keeps them, leads them and guides them, He may stumble of the path for a bit, but God promises he would always leave the flock to bring us back on the path.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
as for abiding in Christ, I just proved whoever is born of God will abide in him, there is no ands ifs or buts about it. A person does not stop abiding in the savior. because it is the savior who keeps them, leads them and guides them, He may stumble of the path for a bit, but God promises he would always leave the flock to bring us back on the path.
Israel as a whole rejected Christ and persecuted Christians. This would make them, per the apostle John, an anti-christ. They are also beloved by kGod and Christians, for it was my them we learn of God's attributes and more importantly God's plan of salvation. Without God separating a people unto Himself, we'd never know who the true promised messiah would be. God's promises irrevocable, it was God's plan that everyone who is saved eternally is saved through His son Jesus. God never gave the land to Israel, it was always God's land to do what he pleases. God gave Israel the land to use as long as they obeyed Him, and if they didn't obey God also promised to take it away. Don't ignore the the whole promise regarding the land even though the whole promise isn't always mentioned in one portion of scripture.
What promise of God is irrevocable?
2 Timothy 1:9
He has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
What promise of God is irrevocable?
2 Timothy 1:9
He has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
Kaycie,
How do you interpret Zec 12:10-13:2?
Zec 12:10-13:2
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
13 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
KJV
What does this mean to you?
Isa 66:8
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
KJV
The nation is modern Israel the day was 5/15/1948.
Lk 21:24-27
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
KJV
The times of the gentiles were fulfilled on 6/17/1967.
How do you interpret Zec 12:10-13:2?
Zec 12:10-13:2
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
13 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
KJV
What does this mean to you?
Isa 66:8
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
KJV
The nation is modern Israel the day was 5/15/1948.
Lk 21:24-27
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
KJV
The times of the gentiles were fulfilled on 6/17/1967.