Tongues Again???

[shittim]

no thank you
best wishes

 

[CS1]

I will answer your last question first. NO, in fact He forbade a private prayer language.


Matthew 6:7-15 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] "This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Give us today our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

What JESUS is commanding us to do, is NOT TO MEMORIZE this prayer and repeat it over and over and over. He is commanding us to use that prayer as a MODEL for ALL OF OUR PRAYERS, and that CERTAINLY means to pray in our own language that is totally understandable to us.

NOW, see the words that I turned to red in your post. What does CANNOT BE UTTERED mean where you grew up? If they are uttering it, it is NOT the Holy Spirit uttering it through them. Being led by the spirit in our prayers, DOES NOT MEAN WE ABANDON OUR OWN UNDERSTANDABLE LANGUAGE.

My MAJOR concern is that VERY, VERY FEW Charismatics cannot tell the difference:

1. between the pagan Hindu counterfeit tongues and the real Apostolic TONGUES,
2. and between Ecstatic Psychological Utterances and the real Apostolic TONGUES,
3. and between the Satanic Counterfeit of tongues and the real Apostolic TONGUES.

Here is how I tell the difference biblically:

2 Corinthians 12:12 (ASV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, by signs and wonders and mighty works.

1 Corinthians 14:22 (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.

Any believer who had actually seen the resurrected Christ could call himself an apostle, and thus the Church at Corinth had some apostles, not to be confused with the 12 Apostles.

How do you plan on telling the differences between the Counterfeits and the GENUINE TONGUES?

Before you answer that, PLEASE watch the film in my Post #1013 above. That film is produced by Andrew Strom, a 25 year veteran of the Charismatic Movement; who believes in speaking in tongues. He is exposing a false Holy Spirit that is coming out of the Hindu Kundalini Cult, and is invading many Charismatic and Pentecostal Churches; and most of their membership actually think the experience is coming from our Holy Spirit.


Matthew 24:24 (ESV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,



I REPEAT: How do you plan on telling the differences between the Counterfeits and the GENUINE TONGUES?

The Holy Spirit is able to know

 

[88]

The Holy Spirit is able to know

*************We can know a counterfeit by the Gift of Discerning of Spirits...

 

[notuptome]

The Holy Spirit is able to know

*************We can know a counterfeit by the Gift of Discerning of Spirits...

Classic example of circular reasoning.

Everything must be examined and evaluated by the scriptures. The unchangeable word of God is the standard given by God for us to know Spiritual from carnal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

Classic example of circular reasoning.

Everything must be examined and evaluated by the scriptures. The unchangeable word of God is the standard given by God for us to know Spiritual from carnal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Creating a false narrative such as some have said because of their bias of those who do not believe as they do is not discerning of the Spirit. just as suggesting the gifts of the Holy Spirit have something to do with a hindu demon. ridiculous

 

[CS1]

He did give us a language, it is called ENGLISH.

Matthew 6:7-15 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]"This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us today our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

THE MODEL FOR ALL PRAYER.

Watch the previous video.

taken out of Context " tongues of the Bible is not babbling in the new testament contextual meaning is needed. The Greek word is not translated as babbling but Language .

 

[CS1]

Classic example of circular reasoning.

Everything must be examined and evaluated by the scriptures. The unchangeable word of God is the standard given by God for us to know Spiritual from carnal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

again you result you result to insult

 

[88]

Classic example of circular reasoning.

Everything must be examined and evaluated by the scriptures. The unchangeable word of God is the standard given by God for us to know Spiritual from carnal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Of course the Word is the bottom line judge of Spiritual Activities-----when you operate in the Gift of Discerning of Spirits you have Supernatural Knowledge--- I've seen people operate in these types of Gifts---discern an illness (caused by Satan)---rebuke it----person is healed---goes to the doctor---brings back verified medical evidence...

 

[88]

So what yardstick do you use to tell that it really is the Holy Spirit and not some other spirit. Demons are known to generate ecstatic feelings, so PLEASE do not tell me you can tell by the feelings. When I was young and stupid, it used to feel good to boogie in the Disco while chasing women, but at least I knew those feelings were not of GOD.

****Experiencing the Holy Spirit is the same as experiencing Jesus Christ----how do you know your born again---the witness of the Spirit----there is also a witness of things of the Spirit----judged by the Word of God---judged by the fruit it produces---judged by common sense----judged by other men of God----experiencing the Holy Spirit does not have to be crazy or weird...

 

[CS1]

Of course the Word is the bottom line judge of Spiritual Activities-----when you operate in the Gift of Discerning of Spirits you have Supernatural Knowledge--- I've seen people operate in these types of Gifts---discern an illness (caused by Satan)---rebuke it----person is healed---goes to the doctor---brings back verified medical evidence...

I think some do not even know what discernment is . Some think it is something only one can have as to suggest others are lacking in it. Discernment is "right Judgement". That is it. Every Saved Christian has the ability to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. Discernment comes from the word of God; to the believer in a relationship with Jesus Christ as it says found in John chapters 14 and 16 as the Holy Spirit leads and guides into all truth. BEWARE of those who think to be spiritually superior because they play on your unlearning. They are not spiritual they are prideful. thinking they hold the "Truth" exclusively .They get very mad when you do not agree with them even when you show them many scriptures. they think they are able or sent by God exclusively and are gifted more than you are. it is the reverse attitude but the same thing as some Pentecostals who think they are spiritually advanced. they both are wrong but to prideful to see it. God bless Pray in the Spirit as the Word of God teaches and ask God to give you every blessing HE wants you to have seek The Lord and HE will reveal Himself to you it is not very difficult Jesus wants a relationship with you.

 

[VCO]

The Holy Spirit is able to know

I KNOW the HOLY SPIRIT knows because HE is GOD.

BUT YOU PERSONALLY HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO TEST THE SPIRITS, BECAUSE WE ARE COMMANDED TO DO SO; NOT JUST GO WITH A GUT FEELING. Watch the Film, PLEASE!


1 John 4:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

 

[presidente]

Rejecting manifestations of spiritual gifts without testing them is also disobedience to scripture. I Thessalonians 5 teaches Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Hold fast to that which is good.

 

[VCO]

****Experiencing the Holy Spirit is the same as experiencing Jesus Christ----how do you know your born again---the witness of the Spirit----there is also a witness of things of the Spirit----judged by the Word of God---judged by the fruit it produces---judged by common sense----judged by other men of God----experiencing the Holy Spirit does not have to be crazy or weird...

That in the red above is EXACTLY WHAT I am asking the Charismatics, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS NOT THE counterfeit of the Holy Spirit, that is giving you the experience? NO ONE in the Churches in that film, who were experiencing the Kundalini Awakening, thought their experience was not of the Holy Spirit, yet what they were experiencing comes right out of the Hindu Kundalini Awakening. You almost got your last point right. It should have been stated: will not be crazy or weird.


1 Corinthians 14:40 (NKJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Let all things be done decently and in order.


I know I am born again, because of the CHANGES HE MADE IN ME, and CONTINUES to make in me.

First and foremost, A DEEP LOVE FOR JESUS CHRIST WAS THERE, that was not there before.

A HUNGER AND THIRST for understanding HIS WORD was there, which NEVER was there before.

Hearing HIS WORD TAUGHT, was Extremely Exciting, when before, His Word was boring to me.

A new and different mind was in me, and it was not what lies between my ears, it was the mind of my born again Human Spirit; and the mind of my flesh between my ears was at war with the mind of my spirit.

There is an ongoing DESIRE to Serve and Obey HIM that comes with that DEEP LOVE FOR HIM.

 

[VCO]

Rejecting manifestations of spiritual gifts without testing them is also disobedience to scripture. I Thessalonians 5 teaches Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Hold fast to that which is good.

I tested them with Scripture, LONG before I rejected them. They did not match up with the signs the Holy Spirit worked through the APOSTLES. They DO match the signs manifested in Hinduism's Kundalini Awakening.

Am I letting you out of my ignore box. Only Thinking about it, for now.

 

[VCO]

Please do not post videos on my thread thank you.

 

[stonesoffire]

Kundalini is about yoga and new age teachings. Evolving by meditation where the mind is relaxed until a sleep stage is acquired.

Something Christians do not do. We meditate on the scriptures but not by chanting. And tongues is not chanting.

All fear of the darkness being more powerful than Holy Spirit. It isn't. Jesus blood is our Victory over all the power of the enemy.

 

[VCO]

Kundalini is about yoga and new age teachings. Evolving by meditation where the mind is relaxed until a sleep stage is acquired.

Something Christians do not do. We meditate on the scriptures but not by chanting. And tongues is not chanting.

All fear of the darkness being more powerful than Holy Spirit. It isn't. Jesus blood is our Victory over all the power of the enemy.

Watch the video by the Charismatic Producer, you are wrong.

 

[presidente]

I tested them with Scripture, LONG before I rejected them. They did not match up with the signs the Holy Spirit worked through the APOSTLES.

You can't test future miracles and prophecies before they happen. That's not a Biblical test.

They DO match the signs manifested in Hinduism's Kundalini Awakening.

'They'? If you assume all spiritual manifestations are Hindu without examining each one, that isn't Biblical either.

Am I letting you out of my ignore box. Only Thinking about it, for now.

I've been right here the whole time. I have not been in a box. If you use ignore, you box yourself off, not the other posters. That's one reason I don't use it.

 

[wolfwint]

****Experiencing the Holy Spirit is the same as experiencing Jesus Christ----how do you know your born again---the witness of the Spirit----there is also a witness of things of the Spirit----judged by the Word of God---judged by the fruit it produces---judged by common sense----judged by other men of God----experiencing the Holy Spirit does not have to be crazy or weird...

Then what spirit is behind a movement where people are falling backward? Where people acting and noising like animals, where people are screaming and laughing out of control? I cant find this kind of signs as from the Holy Spirit in the bible. And also I cant find the teaching from wealth and health in the bible. And also I cant find the teaching from a second baptism of the holy spirit with sign of speaking in tongues is taught in the bible. And because of this i cant see the Holy Spirit behind these movements.

 

[CS1]

I will answer your last question first. NO, in fact He forbade a private prayer language.


Matthew 6:7-15 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] "This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Give us today our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

What JESUS is commanding us to do, is NOT TO MEMORIZE this prayer and repeat it over and over and over. He is commanding us to use that prayer as a MODEL for ALL OF OUR PRAYERS, and that CERTAINLY means to pray in our own language that is totally understandable to us.

NOW, see the words that I turned to red in your post. What does CANNOT BE UTTERED mean where you grew up? If they are uttering it, it is NOT the Holy Spirit uttering it through them. Being led by the spirit in our prayers, DOES NOT MEAN WE ABANDON OUR OWN UNDERSTANDABLE LANGUAGE.

My MAJOR concern is that VERY, VERY FEW Charismatics cannot tell the difference:

1. between the pagan Hindu counterfeit tongues and the real Apostolic TONGUES,
2. and between Ecstatic Psychological Utterances and the real Apostolic TONGUES,
3. and between the Satanic Counterfeit of tongues and the real Apostolic TONGUES.

Here is how I tell the difference biblically:

2 Corinthians 12:12 (ASV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, by signs and wonders and mighty works.

1 Corinthians 14:22 (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.

Any believer who had actually seen the resurrected Christ could call himself an apostle, and thus the Church at Corinth had some apostles, not to be confused with the 12 Apostles.

How do you plan on telling the differences between the Counterfeits and the GENUINE TONGUES?

Before you answer that, PLEASE watch the film in my Post #1013 above. That film is produced by Andrew Strom, a 25 year veteran of the Charismatic Movement; who believes in speaking in tongues. He is exposing a false Holy Spirit that is coming out of the Hindu Kundalini Cult, and is invading many Charismatic and Pentecostal Churches; and most of their membership actually think the experience is coming from our Holy Spirit.


Matthew 24:24 (ESV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-9 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,



I REPEAT: How do you plan on telling the differences between the Counterfeits and the GENUINE TONGUES?

is the error of those who have misused the gifts of the Holy Spirit. let me say just because one has used the gifts in error is not to say the Holy Spirit has stopped gifting the body of Christ. my thread is not on those issue YET. But I did mention them earlier . NOR is it on a denomination as some want to take it there. it is clear those who not believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today and some just have an issue with only the speaking Gifts recorded in Mark 16 ;Acts 10:44-46 19:4-6, and 1 Corinthians chapter 12, 13, and 14. not just a few verses but events recorded on the move of the Spirit of God through the Bible from Gen chapter 1 the Spirit of God was moving and working and HAS NOT STOPPED. I think the gifts of the Holy Spirit are mush needed today and should be desired as the scriptures say. However they are gifts , you can't earn them but you can receive them or not. That is between you and God. I to can post videos, and examples to counter the examples provided of those who misuse the gifts , that is not the topic. I agree much foolishness and error in the use of ALL Gods Gifts and not one denomination excluded. So what I would like to do and I will say have provided very clearly and i have answered many questions to the best as I believe the Bible gives them. I did not have to attack bring up false narratives to do so. I have said you can disagree and is fine. The scriptural reference

you provided in Matt 6:7-15 have nothing to do with Tongues . The Greek is very clear "where Tongues is mentioned in Mark, Acts, 1 Corinthians is languages not babbling. And it was our Lord teaching the Disciples how to pray . Context in everything. the false Idea that Hindu paganism is in someway forcing people to speak in the Gift of tongues when they are crying out to Jesus to baptize them in the Holy Ghost is opinionated .