Both the Son and Holy Spirit proceed from, go out of (Gr: exerchomai) the Father
(Jn 8:42, 15:26, 16:28, 17:8).
TRINITY IS A FALSE TEACHING.
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(Jn 8:42, 15:26, 16:28, 17:8).
Yahshua CLEARLY said Yahweh is greater than Him, period.
Yahchanan (John) 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
There is nothing wrong with that, it is a beautiful thing.
praise be to Father Yahweh for is the Most High!
Yahchanan (John) 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
There is nothing wrong with that, it is a beautiful thing.
praise be to Father Yahweh for is the Most High!
Yes, the same revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), given through the
NT writers, also reveals that both Jesus and the Holy Spirit came out of the Father (Jn 8:42, 15:26,
16:28, 17:8), making them both God, also clearly states that Jesus is God in the following:
Jesus is God:
1) Jesus is the YHWH of Isa 40:3 per Mt 3:3; Mk1:7-8; Lk 3:16; Jn 1:29-34.
2) Jesus is the YHWH of Joel 2:32 per Ro 10:9, 13-16.
3) Jesus is the YHWH of Dt 32:43 per Heb 1:6.
4) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH) of Zechariah per Lk 1:67-68, 76.
5) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH) of Elizabeth per Lk 1:41-43.
6) Jesus is the LORD GOD (YHWH) of Ps 68:18 per Eph 4:8-9.
7) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH) of Zec 12:8-10 per Jn 19:37.
8) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH) of Isa 61:8 per Lk 4:18-21.
9) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH), the First and Last of Isa 44:6, 48:12 per Rev 1:12-18.
10) Jesus is the Lord God, the Alpha and the Omega of Rev 21:6-7 per Rev 22:13-16.
11) Jesus is God on the throne of Rev 21:5, 7 per Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39; Rev 20:11-13.
12) Jesus is the Elohim Creator YHWH of Gen 1:1; Isa 44:24; and Jer 10:16 per Jn 1:3, 10;
Col 1:16-17; Heb 1:2, 10.
The Holy Spirit is both a person and God:
1) Jesus, whom the NT shows to be God (above), said the Holy Spirit proceeded from
(came forth from, out of) God just as he did per Jn 15:26.
2) Jesus, who is God, said the Holy Spirit was another Comforter like himself (God) per Jn 14:16-17,
25-26, 15:26, 16:7.
3) The NT refers to the Holy Spirit with
personal pronouns (he),
personal titles (Comforter) and
personal functions (intelligence, will, speaking, deciding, forbidding, testifying, searching into secrets,
showing the future, sending out missionaries, interceding),
because he is a person.
Do you believe the completed revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2),
given through the NT writers, and the light in which all Scripture is to be understood,
or do you understand it according to the incomplete revelation spoken by the prophets in the
past days?
There is much that was not revealed in the OT because the nature and complete work of the Christ
could not yet be revealed at that time, such as, the end of the sacrificial system, the change of the
Aaronic priesthood to the priesthood of Melchizedek, the inauguration of the New Covenant (Lk 22:20),
the obsolescence of the Sinaitic Covenant (Heb 8:13), etc.
These cannot be understood apart from the light of the NT revelation spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2).
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So much so, that even His name could not have been revealed,
Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
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incorrectly translated out of Greek John 1:1 can be proof for trinity.
correctly translated John 1:1 isn't proof for trinity
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cfultz3
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Care to venture on that?
Joh 1:1 εν[SUP]G1722 [/SUP][SUP]PREP [/SUP] - (at) αρχη[SUP]G746 [/SUP][SUP]N-DSF [/SUP]- (the beginning) ην[SUP]G1510 [/SUP][SUP]V-IAI-3S[/SUP] - (the Word was present)ο λογος[SUP]G3056 [/SUP][SUP]N-NSM[/SUP] - (the Word) και[SUP]G2532 [/SUP][SUP]CONJ [/SUP] - (and) ο λογος[SUP]G3056 [/SUP][SUP]N-NSM [/SUP] - (the Word) ην[SUP]G1510 [/SUP][SUP]V-IAI-3S[/SUP] - (the Word was present) προς[SUP]G4314 [/SUP][SUP]PREP[/SUP] - (along side) τον θεον[SUP]G2316 [/SUP][SUP]N-ASM[/SUP]- (the God) και[SUP]G2532 [/SUP][SUP]CONJ[/SUP]- (and) θεος[SUP]G2316 [/SUP][SUP]N-NSM [/SUP]- (God) ην[SUP]G1510 [/SUP][SUP]V-IAI-3S [/SUP]- (the Word was) ο λογος[SUP]G3056 [/SUP][SUP]N-NSM [/SUP] - (the Word)
The Word was present at the beginning.
The Word was present along side the God.
And the Word was God.
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the Word is the thought of Jesus because when Jehovah spoke Mary became pregnant. And Λογος is the Greek word for consideration and reason, which is translated Logos or Word
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Does it not also say that the Word took flesh upon Himself.
Does it not say that the Word created all things.
I thought God implanted Mary with His seed?
So, the One who left His first estate is nothing more than a thought? Did a thought create us?
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Just out of curiosity...
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
2Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Phm 1:3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
3Jn 1:1 The elder unto the wellbeloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth.
3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
3Jn 1:3 For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth.
Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
If there is a trinity, why did NONE of the Apostles mention the Holy Spirit and the trinity in the salutation to any of their writings? The Father and Christ are mentioned, but the Holy Spirit is not.
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
2Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Phm 1:3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
3Jn 1:1 The elder unto the wellbeloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth.
3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
3Jn 1:3 For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth.
Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
If there is a trinity, why did NONE of the Apostles mention the Holy Spirit and the trinity in the salutation to any of their writings? The Father and Christ are mentioned, but the Holy Spirit is not.
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cfultz3
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Peace to you from the One Who is, Who was, and Who is to come, and from the seven Spirits which are before His throne and from Jesus Christ.
If God is God and Jesus is God, and by not mentioning the Holy Spirit in those verses, does that absolutely negate the Spirit from not being God also?
Thanks for that post! Many here and out there believe this as an ORAL TRADITION. That FALSE teaching contradicts de OT and portions on the NT, but it is UP tp God to clearify these ideas for the sake of His own glory (in case this could affect His honor and glory) I see He hasn´t done too much to deal with THIS Himself.