The Shema IS Triune to begin with!
That's not what the Jews believe. You're going to have to explain this assertion.
The Shema IS Triune to begin with!
They are as One as you are body, soul and spirit - tripartite and like it or not, created in the image of God - tripartite.
Your soul is not another person, your spirit is not another person, your body isn't another person --- but the three are One Person and that's what Jesus was telling Philip and telling through quoting the Shema.
Is the Holy Spirit a God person or is it the power of God?
Israel only knew One Father - One God - they did know HIS Spirit but that didn't make HIS Spirit another God -- no more than your spirit is another 'person'.
No, only you would make this mistake...because you don't ever look at context.
You are too busy looking for a one-liner that you can pluck out of context....so that it can be squeezed into your jaded worldview...
lets assume your middle circle is the one God....scripture says the one God is the father...you have another circle representing the father....scripture says
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
if he(the middle circle) is father of all...you have to conclude he is father of ,father ,son and HS....and if you contend that in your diagram God the father is father of all then he becomes the father of God the middle circle....and to further confuse things...God is the father of all which makes him father of the HS which you claim is a person and male I presume...which makes him another son...bro you have a soap opera going on...
Already comprehended by The Trinity.
The scriptures that you keep ignoring are the ones that state that The Son is the true God.
Deal with ALL scripture....not a few cherry-picked ones...
Already dealt with this one.
Jesus is the One God.
you just accept things bro without thinking them through...and when you cannot explain or refute your response is...Already comprehended by The Trinity.
I am ready for all your insults....
No, only you would make this mistake...because you don't ever look at context.
You are too busy looking for a one-liner that you can pluck out of context....so that it can be squeezed into your jaded worldview...
Already comprehended by The Trinity.
The scriptures that you keep ignoring are the ones that state that The Son is the true God.
Deal with ALL scripture....not a few cherry-picked ones...
Already dealt with this one.
Jesus is the One God.
Proof Jesus is Not God.
John 17:6-8 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You; 8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.
So as we can see, Jesus was GIVEN everything he had! This all included miracles, doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do anything of his own, he never performed a miracle by his own power, he was given the miracles. He never taught anything of his own, rather he was taught by God and spoke what God told him to speak.
John 7:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)
So Jesus answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
John 8:26New American Standard Bible (NASB)
I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him, these I speak to the world.”
John 14:24New American Standard Bible (NASB)
He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
So everything Jesus had was from God, from the Gospel to his miracles. God needs no one to give him power, God needs no one to tell him what to do, therefore Jesus is not God.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Again a Repeat Post that we already covered two pages ago .... "the Name" is Singular in that verse and when I posted this two pages ago, you didn't reply.
Time's up.
I don't have the JPS on line. So I'm not going to type the whole thing.
That would be true for twice - but NOT three times.
Three times signifies Three Persons in view....just like in Gen 1 where mankind is created 'bara', 'bara', bara', three times - representing the Triune Creator.
The Holy Spirit is a separate Person...hence, your confusion.
The Shema IS Triune to begin with!
That's not what the Jews believe. You're going to have to explain this assertion.
lets assume your middle circle is the one God....
scripture says the one God is the father...you have another circle representing the father....scripture says
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
if he(the middle circle) is father of all...you have to conclude he is father of ,father ,son and HS....and if you contend that in your diagram God the father is father of all then he becomes the father of God the middle circle....and to further confuse things...God is the father of all which makes him father of the HS which you claim is a person and male I presume...which makes him another son...bro you have a soap opera going on...
This passage contains arthrous substantives connected via kai which indicates distinction and separate referents. .
newbirth; lets assume your middle circle is the one God....scripture says the one God is the father...you have another circle representing the father....scripture says [URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4:6&version=KJV" said:Ephesians 4:6[/URL]
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
if he(the middle circle) is father of all...you have to conclude he is father of ,father ,son and HS....and if you contend that in your diagram God the father is father of all then he becomes the father of God the middle circle....and to further confuse things...God is the father of all which makes him father of the HS which you claim is a person and male I presume...which makes him another son...bro you have a soap opera going on...
you just accept things bro without thinking them through...and when you cannot explain or refute your response is...Already comprehended by The Trinity.
I am ready for all your insults....
If you say so. I don't use those words "3 persons" but if you want to follow the latter ECF and not study The Book from cover to cover, that's your perogative.
Click here -> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/52766-trinity-61.html#post1827024
Separate person? Not according to the verses in this linked post.
Who sits on the white throne ?Jesus prays to his father in John chapter 17....
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, [SUP]2 [/SUP]even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. [SUP]3 [/SUP]This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
First off...If Jesus were God wouldn't he be silly praying to himself?
But examine verse 3 carefully......
THe Father is identified as the only true God. But Jesus is identified as a separate individual who has been sent by the Father. How can Jesus be God if he is not included in the God category and is only one who has been sent by God?
Wherever you copied and pasted that post from - they should have told Peter that ....
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Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Who will be coming to judge ?Jesus prays to his father in John chapter 17....
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, [SUP]2 [/SUP]even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. [SUP]3 [/SUP]This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
First off...If Jesus were God wouldn't he be silly praying to himself?
But examine verse 3 carefully......
THe Father is identified as the only true God. But Jesus is identified as a separate individual who has been sent by the Father. How can Jesus be God if he is not included in the God category and is only one who has been sent by God?
There is no 'assumption' here...come on....
Why do you keep ignoring scripture stating that The Son is the true God....the God of all?
You are a serious cherry-picker.
Come to grips with the WHOLE of scripture, and deal with it...