True Born Again Christians Have Eternal Security
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Well why did you stop being a dispensationalist? I am dispensationalist because that is how we are supposed to study the Bible. The Bible says:
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15
When you don't rightly divide the word of truth, you need to be ashamed because you make a mess of the Bible.
And yes, right now in the Church Age, there is neither Greek nor Jew, we are all one in Christ Jesus. So when a Jew gets saved and gets baptized by the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ, that Jew is now a Christian. But in the time o Jacob's trouble after the Body of Christ is caught up in the rapture to meet the Lord in the air, then God will be dealing with the Jews again.
And guess what Bennay, every one is dispensational to a certain degree. If you are not sacrificing bulls and goats for your sins today, then you are dispensational. Because you know that only the blood of Jesus Christ can wash away sins. And it is Jesus Christ who is the mediator of the New Testament ( See Hebrews 9:15).
So you are wrong Bennay.
The word does teach us to be dispensational. That is God's internal method of Bible study.
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wdeaton65
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Hey are you perry stone thats to much. Where is that word dispensation in the O/T? Have you heard of scofield, wescott and hort why dont you find out who paid for there studies. Then see what a great idea these guys came up with in 1881 should be a good read for you chosenbyhim enjoy.
Kept by the Power of God through Faith !
Many who would pervert this text of scripture, attempt to make mans faith the cause of being kept, and so once a man looses faith, he is no longer kept ! What high handed mutiny against the Power of God !
Peter plainly sets forth that those born again are Kept by the Power of God through Faith, that is Faith is a product of the Power of God and it is being sustained by the Power of God. This is the same power by which one believes in the First place. The word power is the greek word dynamis and means:
strength power, ability
a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
b) power for performing miracles
c) moral power and excellence of soul
d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
e) power and resources arising from numbers
f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts
Now we are speaking of Almighty God's Strength, Power and Ability here.
Now the same word Paul uses when saying that we believe according to the working of His Power, Eph 1:19
19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
So believing is a result of God's Strength being exerted, His Power. So the believer is kept a believer, no fear of apostasy, by the very Power of God.
Thats why it was written centuries before regarding the Blessings of the New Covenant Jer 32:40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
You see that is what a believer is, a recipient of the New Covenant Blessings conferred upon them as a result of the Death of Christ.
That Power of God keeps the Believer in Faith. The preposition dia also means with or in !
So the phrase could read 1Pet 1:5
5Who are kept by the power of God in or with faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
The believer is kept by the power of God in Faith !
God's Power keeps them in the Place of Faith or God's Power Keeps them with a supply of Faith.
The Point being, The cause of being kept through Faith is God's Power ! And the Faith is not the cause of being kept by God's Power as those who wrest God's word would tell us.
Many who would pervert this text of scripture, attempt to make mans faith the cause of being kept, and so once a man looses faith, he is no longer kept ! What high handed mutiny against the Power of God !
Peter plainly sets forth that those born again are Kept by the Power of God through Faith, that is Faith is a product of the Power of God and it is being sustained by the Power of God. This is the same power by which one believes in the First place. The word power is the greek word dynamis and means:
strength power, ability
a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
b) power for performing miracles
c) moral power and excellence of soul
d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
e) power and resources arising from numbers
f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts
Now we are speaking of Almighty God's Strength, Power and Ability here.
Now the same word Paul uses when saying that we believe according to the working of His Power, Eph 1:19
19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
So believing is a result of God's Strength being exerted, His Power. So the believer is kept a believer, no fear of apostasy, by the very Power of God.
Thats why it was written centuries before regarding the Blessings of the New Covenant Jer 32:40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
You see that is what a believer is, a recipient of the New Covenant Blessings conferred upon them as a result of the Death of Christ.
That Power of God keeps the Believer in Faith. The preposition dia also means with or in !
So the phrase could read 1Pet 1:5
5Who are kept by the power of God in or with faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
The believer is kept by the power of God in Faith !
God's Power keeps them in the Place of Faith or God's Power Keeps them with a supply of Faith.
The Point being, The cause of being kept through Faith is God's Power ! And the Faith is not the cause of being kept by God's Power as those who wrest God's word would tell us.
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wdeaton65
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OK sinful let me know haw that works out for you I honestly thought your name was a reference to the LORD being sinless and spotless I have never ever heard some one say they were sinless. There is a first for everthing I guess.
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GreenNnice
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It takes ”through faith,” and, that faith is ”not of yourselves,” but what God measured to you, to be saved by GRACE; now, regarding your having said this: ”Thats why it was written centuries before regarding the Blessings of the New Covenant Jer 32:40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me..”
savedbyHisgrace, answer me this question: If He puts The fear of God in you, and, let there be no confusion, 'He' equals The Holy Spirit, do yoy not still have a choice to stay with someone based on being afraid to go for fear of what might happen to you? What then would be that person of ”the faith” otherwise choose IF they chose not to fear and tremble at His leading his/her life? !
Leaving , right? Departing from.theit faith just like 1 Timothy 4 apostately says. Leaving Him. 
I KNOW!, truth-fully, to me, anyway, nothing sadder than that truth spoken in Scripture Now, we truly do not know that person's heart, but in order to be of 'faith' as 1 Timothy 4 states, we must have believed in Him.
It takes ”through faith,” and, that faith is ”not of yourselves,” but what God measured to you, to be saved by GRACE; now, regarding your having said this: ”Thats why it was written centuries before regarding the Blessings of the New Covenant Jer 32:40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me..”
savedbyHisgrace, answer me this question: If He puts The fear of God in you, and, let there be no confusion, 'He' equals The Holy Spirit, do yoy not still have a choice to stay with someone based on being afraid to go for fear of what might happen to you? What then would be that person of ”the faith” otherwise choose IF they chose not to fear and tremble at His leading his/her life? !
Leaving , right? Departing from.theit faith just like 1 Timothy 4 apostately says. Leaving Him. I KNOW!, truth-fully, to me, anyway, nothing sadder than that truth spoken in Scripture Now, we truly do not know that person's heart, but in order to be of 'faith' as 1 Timothy 4 states, we must have believed in Him.
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You said that so well and with good conviction of the truth. Thanks for your sound contribution. If any get upset over your post it's because they reject what the Holy Spirit continually makes every effort to impart and guide them into truth. If someone has walked away from understanding the scriptures, God's word of promise, through dispensational truth they will end up in all kinds of strange conclusions that will effect their faith and how they live and conduct their life before the living God.
If you want to find God and become a follower of Jesus Christ and receive His Holy Spirit and blessings ignore the writings of Paul and just read the words of Jesus,John,Jude,James,Mark,Mathew,Luke,Peter,Revelations
Thank you and thus by God you are set free from the power of sinand from God's viewpoint you are sinless and have done by Faith spoken truth
1 John 3:3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
you have matured praised God and God is elated over this, for this ahs happened to me as well yet I only take day by day, because I do not know the future thereofore I trust Christ via the Holy Ghost to take care of tommorrow, and just stay here in the present trusting, praising and thanking Christ for the way, the truth and the life provided by him in and by the cross, the dividing line of this worlds history before the cross and after the cross
Thanks Brother
it does to me it says therefore be dead to the flesh as a womans husband being married to is dead and then I would be free to marry another (Jesus Christ) my savior my Lord, and thus I am dead to the Law and free to serve in the new Spirit of God by the resurrected Christ at the cross
Serving in the Spirit as we are called to do
- John 4:23
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations - John 4:24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
John 4:23-25 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
after much discussion with sinless I think sinless has not communicated very well about being sinless, because he is seeing himself as sinless from God the Father's viewpoint through God the Father's Son Christ. because today this is how Father view his believers in him and that is why we have the advocate Jesus Christ the righteous one who keeps us clean.
I once knew a man that was homeless here on earth and I drove past him day after day, always noticing that he seemed happy just were he was at and I was working hard to do all that was right. I stopped to visit him a few times and asked if there was anything I could do for him. He said no I have everything I need. I left perplexed and wondered as I was trying to be content and just could not do it as I worked hard to attain this contentment I saw in this homeless man.
So one day I questioned him on this contentment he has, and he told me again he has all he needs. I said are you not homeless? He said no I am not? I said I see you here a lot, where is your home? He said Heaven. I said well how is it you never need anything? He said I Have a credit card from Heaven and I do not misuse it I just get whatever it is I need. I said well can I get one of these he said yes. I said how do I get one and he gave me an application. i filled it out and gave it back to him. he said I would get a reply in the mail. I did and the reply was denied I was not accepted to get this card from Heaven.
I was appauled and demanded to speak to this person this whoever that denied me, and I got the chance to refute this denial. And when I asked why I was denied the man behind the counter said because I was not perfect. I said what, then how does this homeless man here that gave me the application got one he is not perfect. The one behind the counter said oh yes he is and that is why he got everything he needs and is at rest in this. I said no way he can't be perfect for I have been striving for years to be and you are saying this other man is perfect how? the one behind the counter says he has been counted as perfect because he has a co-signer unto his perfection.
I said can I have a co-signer and the Father then looks to his right hand and says Son come here and the Son comes and says yes Father what do you need. Father says will you C0-sign here for Howard so he can be content in all things knowing he thus has everything he needs for life,counted as perfect through you
And Christ the Son answers why yes Father for you know what I have done for you and after this I have not looked back since and am forever greatful, and still work hard, but the differance now is with a joy being content and if I ever get frustrated over things here and now I am reminded of my Co-signer Jesus Christ my savior my Lord and am content in all things again knowing all things work out for God's good which is ultimately somehow someway for my good as well being in him by the Son
Yes. Furthermore, one cannot be saved from sin while still enslaved by it.
therefore reckon this
Romans 6:11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
And if you believe you are then you are freed from sinful behavior read from romans 6:1might be helpful
Thanks Starfield my Sister in Christ
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It takes ”through faith,” and, that faith is ”not of yourselves,” but what God measured to you, to be saved by GRACE; now, regarding your having said this: ”Thats why it was written centuries before regarding the Blessings of the New Covenant Jer 32:40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me..”
savedbyHisgrace, answer me this question: If He puts The fear of God in you, and, let there be no confusion, 'He' equals The Holy Spirit, do yoy not still have a choice to stay with someone based on being afraid to go for fear of what might happen to you? What then would be that person of ”the faith” otherwise choose IF they chose not to fear and tremble at His leading his/her life? !
There is twotypes of fear
1. worldly, never delivers one from fear
2. Godly, delivers one from fear
For perfect love casts out all fear and God is perfect love, yet to find this out we need to understand this that the enemy can only destroy the body and not the Soul
Bur God can destroy both, so therefore the begining of wisdom is fear of the Lord who destroy body and Soul, yet a lot of us are in fear of the enemy that can only destroy the body
Just some food for thought if recieved
curious waht is wrong with the writings of Paul is I may ask, I ask this because I ahve learned from allthe writings in the Bible of Old and New. And this might be because I always ask God fortruth in these and every writing to seperate any errors tha ti might get in my head of thinking
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wdeaton65
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What is your point that I dont have the blood of Yeshua on me or that I deny the Lamb of GOD.
I notice you post these strange comments with my posts I wonder if you think I am born again or not.
This guy calls himself sinless why dont you show me where anybody other than Yeshua is or can be.
Your story I take it as that right a story fiction. I mean you didnt actually get a credit card that the fed. can put interest on right lol. Your story is meant for what reason why would you use it and put it with my post?
Absolutely, you are welcome.
And Thank you sir. I appreciate your words of encouragement. And yeah, a lot of people who claim to be non-dispensationalists, they end up a lot of times being either post trib, or ammillennial. And ammilienialists do not believe in a literal thousand year reign. And yea they really get messed up doctrinally, they are just all over the place. And then because they don't rightly divide the Scriptures, many of times these non dispensational teachers have to spiritualize the Scriptures which is exactly what the Roman Catholic church does.
What's interesting though, is that everyone is dispensational to some degree. Even those who say they are non-dispensational are actually dispensational to a degree! They just are not honest about it.
Now some of them at times may not realize it because of ignorance which means they are a novice and are not qualified to teach the Scripture. But most of the time, they don't want to be honest about it. They realize the command given in 2 Timothy 2:15, and yet they will not obey that command. And because of that, they ought to be ashamed for refusing to rightly divide the word of truth.
Well thanks again sir for your encouragement. And for edifying and commending sound doctrine when you see it being taught on this forum. God bless you.
