True Born Again Christians Have Eternal Security

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Did you understand post 216? Please rehearse with me the points I made so I know you understood them !

Why do you need to know I understand, you would know if you read all I have written, yet you seem gung ho on shoving your point down evewryones throat, may be not intended this way, but it has come across this way
Bottom line savedbygrace God just love us all and if that be the foundation we will grow in undrstanding and love forsaking all these differant sects of religion and be at the feet of the savior Jesus Christ, praising and worshipping God in the Spirit of God
 
No such thing as eternal security. :)

So God will let you be snatched out of God's hand? And allweapons formed against youby others will prosper forthem because God is not Faithful?
And God then does not love you personally enough to keep you?
I am in God and God is in me, nothing absolutely nothing can seperate me from the love of God, and Jinx this is true for you too, this is exactly how much God does just love you Sister
God is Fatihful we are not and God said God will carry on the good work God started in you the day you first believed
 
homw

Why do you need to know I understand

Why should'nt I ? You are commenting on something I posted, and oft times what you say is offline from what I posted. So

Did you understand post 216? Please rehearse with me the points I made so I know you understood them !
 
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.



It becomes apparent that a saint is no longer a saint after he has fallen away. We can know this for sure, because the scriptures says that he is worse than before and he would be better off if he had never known righteousness. Plus the scripture uses the words "entangled" and "overcome". These words are put here because the soul is no longer liberated form the bondage of sin. If he is trapped by the world then he is not set free by GOD.
This certainly sounds as if someone has lost salvation, that they once held so dear. This would leave the teaching of eternal security of no effect.
 
So God will let you be snatched out of God's hand? And allweapons formed against youby others will prosper forthem because God is not Faithful?
And God then does not love you personally enough to keep you?
I am in God and God is in me, nothing absolutely nothing can seperate me from the love of God, and Jinx this is true for you too, this is exactly how much God does just love you Sister
God is Fatihful we are not and God said God will carry on the good work God started in you the day you first believed

There is only ONE thing that can separate you from God:
YOU.

OSAS is a manmade myth and a falsehood of BIBLICAL proportions:

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of (our) Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ can fall back into darkness and lose their salvation by their own doing.

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

Matthew 10:22
All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Self-explanatory.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about those already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God take away somebody’s share of heaven if they never had it to begin with? He is talking about those already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

 
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God establishes The Believer !

There are Two things I know for sure in regards to those who deny Eternal Security, #1. They do not have God given Faith and #2. They are trusting in themselves .

Those who do believe can rest assured that God will Establish them through the Gospel. Rom 16:25

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

God is Faithful to stablish us and keep us from evil 2 Thess 3:3

But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

You see that. Who SHALL stablish you and keep you from evil ! Thats a Promise !

The word stablish in the Romans verse is the greek word sterizo and means:

to make stable, place firmly, set fast, fix
to strengthen, make firm
to render constant, confirm, one's mind

God is of the Power, the Ability to make us Believers constant, stable, to render stable in one's Mind.

Lets look a little deeper at the word sterizo it is made up of two words one of which is histēmi and it literally means this:


to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set

to make firm, fix establish

1) to cause a person or a thing to keep his or its place

I am emphasizing the word cause, they are being caused to be constant and firm in the Faith.

This is actually a Covenant Blessing, Remember Ezk 36:26-27

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

And yes, the same word stablish as in Rom 16:25 is that of 2 Thess 3:3

And the Promise is God is Faithful who shall stablish you AND keep us from evil. Thats keeping evil from us and us from evil..

There is no way in the world that one with God given Faith can ever read these words and worry about loosing their Salvation, or departing from the Faith of the Truth. Its simply impossible to do, and may God be Praised for it..Praise is due His Faithfulness not ours.. Perseverance is from the Lord..
 
can't just take your verses without my verses also. can't pick and choose.
 
John 10:27-30
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.

Romans 11:29 [SUP] [/SUP]For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

OSAS is absolutely biblical.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

How are we saved? Not by our works. By His Grace through faith. And that is a gift. One He will not repent of because He says so.

And before you say that our faith is our work that we must keep, do you remember who is the Author and Finisher of our Faith? Its not us. Its all a gift.

Thank You Lord Jesus.
 
Faith without works is dead. We don't get saved and live like the devil. If that was the case I'd be boozing it up right now smoking a stogie. my post is 224 is evidence of the loss of salvation. And I agree with post 225 that says: There is only ONE thing that can separate you from God:
YOU.

 
wow. Do you talk to everyone like this?

GOD is faithful, we aint.
 
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Ok,
So I've crunched the numbers and calculated by the rate of linear progression and arrived at the fact that by the time we get to post 438 we will be approximately 78 percent to the completion of a partial agreement.
 
Grew up OSAS. Studied, prayed, was revealed that it was wrong.
Done talking to you because your talking to me like I'm a child.
 
Faith without works is dead. We don't get saved and live like the devil. If that was the case I'd be boozing it up right now smoking a stogie. my post is 224 is evidence of the loss of salvation. And I agree with post 225 that says: There is only ONE thing that can separate you from God:
YOU.


No, a person doesn't get saved and live like the devil. The fruit of a persons life will be easily seen.

But that doesn't have anything to do with OSAS.

And you say faith without works is dead. Well that's obvious. Its like saying cereal without milk is dry. We act on what we believe in. Always, the whole world does this, not just christians.

It is our faith that is most important. The faith that the Lord has given us and made strong.

Revelation 12:10-11
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

This requires faith. To believe that the power of the Lord saves us and keeps us saved. I have faith in Him.

How in the wide world of sports could you try and teach people to not have faith? Is it because you have seen people abuse this? Of course... There is the counterfeit for all of Gods' truths. That doesn't make Gods' truth untrue. Right? It just shows what peoples natures really are...

I've seen people who have never read the bible, never pray, never been baptised, never go to church call themselves christian. How? Some think that if a few of their family members are christian then they are too. Like being American, or Irish...
 
homw



Why should'nt I ? You are commenting on something I posted, and oft times what you say is offline from what I posted. So

Did you understand post 216? Please rehearse with me the points I made so I know you understood them !

I responded in post # 217 already did you not see that?
 
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.



It becomes apparent that a saint is no longer a saint after he has fallen away. We can know this for sure, because the scriptures says that he is worse than before and he would be better off if he had never known righteousness. Plus the scripture uses the words "entangled" and "overcome". These words are put here because the soul is no longer liberated form the bondage of sin. If he is trapped by the world then he is not set free by GOD.
This certainly sounds as if someone has lost salvation, that they once held so dear. This would leave the teaching of eternal security of no effect.

or Jinx it might be possible that they never believed to begin with and just faked it out for self gain, and when they did not get plaugits, praises and popularity they left from the basics and never moved onto Maturity as what Hebrews 6 talks about and is reall good to read hebrews 5 before going into, for many do need to move onto to maturity

[h=3]Hebrews 5:11-6:8[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And this will we do, if God permit.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
 
There is only ONE thing that can separate you from God:
YOU.

OSAS is a manmade myth and a falsehood of BIBLICAL proportions:

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of (our) Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ can fall back into darkness and lose their salvation by their own doing.

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

Matthew 10:22
All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Self-explanatory.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about those already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God take away somebody’s share of heaven if they never had it to begin with? He is talking about those already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.


tell me why would I after seeing God's love ever walk away or anyone that really sees this? Or why would one that sees this amazing gift of life ever walk away.
God promised me that God will never walk away from me, never forsake me. And no weapon formed against me shall ever prosper, and no one, Noone includes me that believes can ever snatch me out of his hand
I was drowning in a river and a boat came along full of religous Zealots and they threw to me while I was drowning a book on how to swim, was I saved?
Then another boat came along and one of the people jumped in the water and tried to show me by their example how to swim, was I saved?
Then another on through in a vest that Icould grab onto and get over to the boat and be put on the boat, amI now saved, sure looks that way doesn't it.
Then after getting on the boat I cuss and ask for a ciggarrette, they throw me back overboard, not yet saved am I?
Then another boat comes along and picks me up out of the water takes me to share inspite of me cussinig and wanting a smoke delivers me safely to shore, now I am saved and in appreciation. This is what is truth what Christ did for all just not all believe this and are and have added to this fact by a somesort of works program bringing stress back into a miraculous Salvation that makes one work for it and if one does not go by the others terms, sect, denomination then that one is thrown back inthe water to drown.
Is this right? God is Love and by his Love is what teaches me and all men to say no to unrighteousness
Obedience is a result of Faith and by and through Faith Romans 1:17
[h=3]Romans 1:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith


[h=3]Titus 2:1-15[/h]King James Version (KJV)

2 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.