Turning from sin

[wattie]

I would be interested to know your thoughts on this.

There are many gospel tracts that have in their salvation talk..

'Turn from sin' and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is what they think 'repent' means.

The thing about this is God Himself repented of what He was going to do in the OT.

It was a 'change of mind, heart'.

I believe repent at salvation means to change your mind, heart about who Jesus is..to believe in Him.

I believe..we can 'turn from sin' as a behaviour of change after conversion. It's not the requirement for salvation.

Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell, and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing He is God, that He lived sinless, that He died and rose again. That by believing, you have eternal life.

That's salvation. Not about your behaviour of doing good. That good behaviour of turning from sin..comes because you are saved..in response to salvation.. but it's not the way of salvation.

Repent= change of mind, heart.

Your thoughts?

 

[GWH]

I would be interested to know your thoughts on this.

There are many gospel tracts that have in their salvation talk..

'Turn from sin' and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is what they think 'repent' means.

The thing about this is God Himself repented of what He was going to do in the OT.

It was a 'change of mind, heart'.

I believe repent at salvation means to change your mind, heart about who Jesus is..to believe in Him.

I believe..we can 'turn from sin' as a behaviour of change after conversion. It's not the requirement for salvation.

Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell, and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing He is God, that He lived sinless, that He died and rose again. That by believing, you have eternal life.

That's salvation. Not about your behaviour of doing good. That good behaviour of turning from sin..comes because you are saved..in response to salvation.. but it's not the way of salvation.

Repent= change of mind, heart.

Your thoughts?

I agree, and this change from ignoring GW to accepting JC as Lord is made possible because of God's seeking grace:

Jesus Himself expressed GRFS succinctly using three, four and five letter words: “Ask… seek… knock…” (Matt. 7:7). This indicates that God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to understand how to be saved (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11), which might be called “seeking grace” (Tit. 2:11). As Hebrews 11:6 states: “he [God] rewards those who earnestly seek him” (cf. Isa. 45:19).

Seeking God is the beginning of saving faith, and not seeking God or rejecting His salvation in Christ is the essence of evil atheism or faith in I-dolatry (Rom. 3:11, 1:18-23). Sinful humanity retains the image of God or moral free will, so every normal adult soul is able by faith to choose to seek salvation–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I believe repent at salvation means to change your mind, heart about who Jesus is..to believe in Him.

Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The word "confess" in vs 9 and the word "confession" in vs 10 are translated from the Greek word homologeó which means to say the same thing.

When a person hears the Word of God, he or she can then "confess" (say the same thing as what God's Word says) and believe in his or her heart that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised from the dead.

That's salvation. Not about your behaviour of doing good. That good behaviour of turning from sin..comes because you are saved..in response to salvation.. but it's not the way of salvation.

yes ... God gives us a new heart, a new way of life. We repent of our old ways because we have that new heart which is led by the Spirit ... the born again one is no longer at enmity against God.
.

 

[Blain]

If you think about it the change of mind and heart upon repentance is miraculous because to do such a thing is going against our instincts which like comparing an animal going against their instincts it is not something animals do often if at all.

When one is saved we truly are changed all animals live by instinct humans to but while humans can change and even practice not sinning it doesn't truly happen without true repentance and then this change that happens is supernatural
To have true repentance we have to not just be repentant of our sins but we have to think seriosuly here we have to see God as not just our friend but our Lord as well

Our Lord as in the utmost respect and submission the authoirty of our lives such a title demands respect but once we do his love fills us up and this love is the gas-the fuel that runs our lives and makes us not want to sin without this love we have no gas and so even if we try to not sin it simply is impossible without this love

True repentance is not simply recognizing we are sinners and changing from sin it is true powerful often emotional supernatural experience and it isn't just calling Jesus our savior and Lord but truly making him Lord of all the authority and ruler of our every being and lives truly subitting to him and his will the all powerful all ruling God and king
Repent and be saved, respect and be aware of his Lordship love and live love and sin no more. such powerful things.

 

[kqr_anointed]

I would be interested to know your thoughts on this.

There are many gospel tracts that have in their salvation talk..

'Turn from sin' and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is what they think 'repent' means.

The thing about this is God Himself repented of what He was going to do in the OT.

It was a 'change of mind, heart'.

I believe repent at salvation means to change your mind, heart about who Jesus is..to believe in Him.

I believe..we can 'turn from sin' as a behaviour of change after conversion. It's not the requirement for salvation.

Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell, and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing He is God, that He lived sinless, that He died and rose again. That by believing, you have eternal life.

That's salvation. Not about your behaviour of doing good. That good behaviour of turning from sin..comes because you are saved..in response to salvation.. but it's not the way of salvation.

Repent= change of mind, heart.

Your thoughts?

I need to Google it

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I would be interested to know your thoughts on this.

There are many gospel tracts that have in their salvation talk..

'Turn from sin' and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is what they think 'repent' means.

The thing about this is God Himself repented of what He was going to do in the OT.

It was a 'change of mind, heart'.

I believe repent at salvation means to change your mind, heart about who Jesus is..to believe in Him.

I believe..we can 'turn from sin' as a behaviour of change after conversion. It's not the requirement for salvation.

Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell, and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing He is God, that He lived sinless, that He died and rose again. That by believing, you have eternal life.

That's salvation. Not about your behaviour of doing good. That good behaviour of turning from sin..comes because you are saved..in response to salvation.. but it's not the way of salvation.

Repent= change of mind, heart.

Your thoughts?

Does Repent/ Repentance mean turn from sin?
Before someone jumps to the conclusion that they assume is correct, they should at least look at the context of the terms usage.

Who is repenting?
Is this involve national judgement OR individuals faced with the decision of eternity?

To use the definition that I've read on over an hundred different tracks and heard from various preachers, you might be led to conclude that God Himself turned from sin many times.
Why?
Because He repented so much throughout the history presented.
Of course that would be absolutely reprehensible, false and blasphemous to suggest that God sinned. He is righteous.
The obvious answer is that people make mistakes and pass along false information.

Apparently those who wrote those tracks and spread the so called good news of "your going to hell unless you turn from sin ", have never taken the effort to read how God was the first to repent and He did so many times.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6

 

[wattie]

Does Repent/ Repentance mean turn from sin?
Before someone jumps to the conclusion that they assume is correct, they should at least look at the context of the terms usage.

Who is repenting?
Is this involve national judgement OR individuals faced with the decision of eternity?

To use the definition that I've read on over an hundred different tracks and heard from various preachers, you might be led to conclude that God Himself turned from sin many times.
Why?
Because He repented so much throughout the history presented.
Of course that would be absolutely reprehensible, false and blasphemous to suggest that God sinned. He is righteous.
The obvious answer is that people make mistakes and pass along false information.

Apparently those who wrote those tracks and spread the so called good news of "your going to hell unless you turn from sin ", have never taken the effort to read how God was the first to repent and He did so many times.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6

Yeah 'committing your life to Christ ' is another phrase that can be problematic in the same sense. Seen alot in gospel tracts.

Because if after salvation.. someone gets caught in old ways.. someone will say 'never saved in the first place ' because they weren't fully committed.

 

[Magenta]

Repentance involves a complete change of heart and mind toward God.

from Revelation 3 verse 17-18 ~ You say, ‘I need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Yeah 'committing your life to Christ ' is another phrase that can be problematic in the same sense. Seen alot in gospel tracts.

Because if after salvation.. someone gets caught in old ways.. someone will say 'never saved in the first place ' because they weren't fully committed.

Every church, true believers and unbelievers, teach that Jesus is the Savior Who died for sins and arose.
The key lies in the Biblical response.
Two responses are most common:
1. Calling upon the Lord
2. Believe (faith, trust)

What unbiblical religion and traditions do is interject a false/ unbiblical response like the one you mentioned for example, "committing your life to Christ."

What we don't know is what that actually means. To an unbeliever, that would sound like a work of that individual rather than faith/believing.

Another one I just read yesterday on a pastor's website was that " he gave his life to Christ."
What's wrong with that testimony?

So an unholy man offered the holy Savior an Unholy sacrifice.
What was wrong with Christ's sacrifice? Wasn't it enough? So did that pastor decide that he had to add his own filthy rag, his own basket of fruit to the Lord Mr. Cain?

The funny thing about this is that the pastor's name is actually Kane. It's just spelled with a "k" instead.
Sad thing is that he is misleading many with his false gospel.

 

[wattie]

If you think about it the change of mind and heart upon repentance is miraculous because to do such a thing is going against our instincts which like comparing an animal going against their instincts it is not something animals do often if at all.

When one is saved we truly are changed all animals live by instinct humans to but while humans can change and even practice not sinning it doesn't truly happen without true repentance and then this change that happens is supernatural
To have true repentance we have to not just be repentant of our sins but we have to think seriosuly here we have to see God as not just our friend but our Lord as well

Our Lord as in the utmost respect and submission the authoirty of our lives such a title demands respect but once we do his love fills us up and this love is the gas-the fuel that runs our lives and makes us not want to sin without this love we have no gas and so even if we try to not sin it simply is impossible without this love

True repentance is not simply recognizing we are sinners and changing from sin it is true powerful often emotional supernatural experience and it isn't just calling Jesus our savior and Lord but truly making him Lord of all the authority and ruler of our every being and lives truly subitting to him and his will the all powerful all ruling God and king
Repent and be saved, respect and be aware of his Lordship love and live love and sin no more. such powerful things.

Well, see here is the thing, to make God "the authority and ruler of our every being and lives truly subitting to him and his will the all powerful all ruling God and king"...

How is that related to:

KJB:
(Act 16:30) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
(Act 16:31) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

and

(Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(Rom 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

I know exactly the phrases you are saying.. I've heard and seen them over and over.. but does it really get down to the simple statement:

Know you are a sinner, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

 

[GWH]

If you think about it the change of mind and heart upon repentance is miraculous because to do such a thing is going against our instincts which like comparing an animal going against their instincts it is not something animals do often if at all.

When one is saved we truly are changed all animals live by instinct humans to but while humans can change and even practice not sinning it doesn't truly happen without true repentance and then this change that happens is supernatural
To have true repentance we have to not just be repentant of our sins but we have to think seriosuly here we have to see God as not just our friend but our Lord as well

Our Lord as in the utmost respect and submission the authoirty of our lives such a title demands respect but once we do his love fills us up and this love is the gas-the fuel that runs our lives and makes us not want to sin without this love we have no gas and so even if we try to not sin it simply is impossible without this love

True repentance is not simply recognizing we are sinners and changing from sin it is true powerful often emotional supernatural experience and it isn't just calling Jesus our savior and Lord but truly making him Lord of all the authority and ruler of our every being and lives truly subitting to him and his will the all powerful all ruling God and king
Repent and be saved, respect and be aware of his Lordship love and live love and sin no more. such powerful things.

Yes, although nature is supernatural, the main miracle is transforming natural man into Christlike human beings.

 

[PaulThomson]

I would be interested to know your thoughts on this.

There are many gospel tracts that have in their salvation talk..

'Turn from sin' and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is what they think 'repent' means.

The thing about this is God Himself repented of what He was going to do in the OT.

It was a 'change of mind, heart'.

I believe repent at salvation means to change your mind, heart about who Jesus is..to believe in Him.

I believe..we can 'turn from sin' as a behaviour of change after conversion. It's not the requirement for salvation.

Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell, and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing He is God, that He lived sinless, that He died and rose again. That by believing, you have eternal life.

That's salvation. Not about your behaviour of doing good. That good behaviour of turning from sin..comes because you are saved..in response to salvation.. but it's not the way of salvation.

Repent= change of mind, heart.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts?

The Israelites bitten by snake were requires to look at the bronze serpent on the pole to be healed. Put their attention onto the bronze serpent. They were not told,
"Stop looking at the snakes and then shift your gaze to the bronze serpent."

They were told,
"Num 21:8 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.”

You can't look at the bronze snake up high and keep on looking at the snakes on the ground. You can stop looking at the snakes on the ground, but not look at the bronze serpent.

The direct route to salvation is simply to look to Jesus.

 

[Blade]

I would be interested to know your thoughts on this.

There are many gospel tracts that have in their salvation talk..

'Turn from sin' and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is what they think 'repent' means.

The thing about this is God Himself repented of what He was going to do in the OT.

It was a 'change of mind, heart'.

I believe repent at salvation means to change your mind, heart about who Jesus is..to believe in Him.

I believe..we can 'turn from sin' as a behaviour of change after conversion. It's not the requirement for salvation.

Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell, and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing He is God, that He lived sinless, that He died and rose again. That by believing, you have eternal life.

That's salvation. Not about your behaviour of doing good. That good behaviour of turning from sin..comes because you are saved..in response to salvation.. but it's not the way of salvation.

Repent= change of mind, heart.

Your thoughts?

I do really truly like how you say "I believe". I have no real say here. I can easily see the .. you stop sinning or your lost or He takes me as I am and what He started He will .. never said maybe nor might its written what He started He will finish. I believe that change that new heart that turn from sin that repent comes but maybe not be at that moment He find us. This world has a pull like no other.. Paul that man said .. man the things I want to do... the things I should be doing I don't do.. and the things I should not do... I seem to do those. Yet its no longer I that sin but sin that is in me.

For me.. guilt been huge.. telling Him I quit for all I see is that sin I do 24/7. He just before I walked away.... always like that huh. Never before never in the middle just in time.. at the right moment says "what is righteousness" ok ok its right standing with GOD. He asks "how do you get righteousness?" I said by believing in Jesus. It was like being blind and you could see.. I can't explain it . I cried and cried. See I had heard that but no clue if it was written. I was told it has to be written. So right then I went and searched.. no internet no cell phones.

Now for me.. that was the sweet sweet holy Spirit aka GOD talking to me. Now for me don't think for one moment just because GOD said it to you..oh forever you will never sin any more you will not let guilt touch you. HAHA ..I think sometimes I can hear Him (again inside me) saying "how long do I have to suffer you". The main one is with a smile..you or I can't see Him but you just know in the spirit He smiles.. as He again.. and again and again reaches down picks me up "that's why I died"

He always makes sure He has told you over the years. Found at 7-9y old and at 16 in the bible study the grandmother that prayed 4h a day was explaining as you did here that when I repent it means you turn over a new leave and you don't do that sin any more. It does not touch salvation for I don't reject what HE did and I do not ever want to sin it puts something between me and Him and it hurts Him. I can't not do this with out Him.. I can not freely sin He did that.. as Paul said does that mean we can freely sin.. GOD forbid.

Not good with words and its late. I like your post allot. I agree.. Let it be written.. I need you Yeshua.. and what you did for this world.. I reject this world this sin and receive your free gift.. I will like every one else.. never blink a eye.. forever at your feet.. thanking you for finding me and never once gave up..

 

[GWH]

If you think about it the change of mind and heart upon repentance is miraculous because to do such a thing is going against our instincts which like comparing an animal going against their instincts it is not something animals do often if at all.

When one is saved we truly are changed all animals live by instinct humans to but while humans can change and even practice not sinning it doesn't truly happen without true repentance and then this change that happens is supernatural
To have true repentance we have to not just be repentant of our sins but we have to think seriosuly here we have to see God as not just our friend but our Lord as well

Our Lord as in the utmost respect and submission the authoirty of our lives such a title demands respect but once we do his love fills us up and this love is the gas-the fuel that runs our lives and makes us not want to sin without this love we have no gas and so even if we try to not sin it simply is impossible without this love

True repentance is not simply recognizing we are sinners and changing from sin it is true powerful often emotional supernatural experience and it isn't just calling Jesus our savior and Lord but truly making him Lord of all the authority and ruler of our every being and lives truly subitting to him and his will the all powerful all ruling God and king
Repent and be saved, respect and be aware of his Lordship love and live love and sin no more. such powerful things.

Yes, and never repent of repentance!

 

[PaulThomson]

If you think about it the change of mind and heart upon repentance is miraculous because to do such a thing is going against our instincts which like comparing an animal going against their instincts it is not something animals do often if at all.

When one is saved we truly are changed all animals live by instinct humans to but while humans can change and even practice not sinning it doesn't truly happen without true repentance and then this change that happens is supernatural
To have true repentance we have to not just be repentant of our sins but we have to think seriosuly here we have to see God as not just our friend but our Lord as well

Our Lord as in the utmost respect and submission the authoirty of our lives such a title demands respect but once we do his love fills us up and this love is the gas-the fuel that runs our lives and makes us not want to sin without this love we have no gas and so even if we try to not sin it simply is impossible without this love

True repentance is not simply recognizing we are sinners and changing from sin it is true powerful often emotional supernatural experience and it isn't just calling Jesus our savior and Lord but truly making him Lord of all the authority and ruler of our every being and lives truly subitting to him and his will the all powerful all ruling God and king
Repent and be saved, respect and be aware of his Lordship love and live love and sin no more. such powerful things.

You said, "True repentance is.... truly making him Lord of all the authority and ruler of our every being and lives truly submitting to him and his will the all powerful all ruling God and king.'

I would define true repentance as "beholding steadfastly the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[Leastofall]

I would be interested to know your thoughts on this.

There are many gospel tracts that have in their salvation talk..

'Turn from sin' and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

This is what they think 'repent' means.

The thing about this is God Himself repented of what He was going to do in the OT.

It was a 'change of mind, heart'.

I believe repent at salvation means to change your mind, heart about who Jesus is..to believe in Him.

I believe..we can 'turn from sin' as a behaviour of change after conversion. It's not the requirement for salvation.

Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell, and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing He is God, that He lived sinless, that He died and rose again. That by believing, you have eternal life.

That's salvation. Not about your behaviour of doing good. That good behaviour of turning from sin..comes because you are saved..in response to salvation.. but it's not the way of salvation.

Repent= change of mind, heart.

Your thoughts?

Repentance is turning away from sin. Chosing to seek the kingdom of heaven. Admitting that you are a sinner in need of a savior.
The crying out to God is not just a verbal response but a heartfelt one......have mercy on me son of david.
How many times have we cried out Lord help me save me from this or that only to find ourselves in another pickel?
Jesus said seek first the kingdom of God....Matt 6:33
2 chronic 7:14 says to seek and turn. From your wicked ways.