Understanding God’s election

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Rufus said:
Man's great, awesome, mighty and sovereign "free" will is nowhere to be found in this chapter. :rolleyes: Ishmael and Esau did not get to choose their spiritual destiny anymore than Issac and Jacob did theirs.
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Yup devastating ignorance is yours in great revenue.

And it is obvious that your grasp of the Old Testament is abysmal. Which of course leads to your total inability to comprehend Romans 9.

And even the humblest Bible student can arrive at the conclusion that Jacob did in fact CHOOSE to "hold on" to the covenant given to Abraham, and his inheritance and the responsibilities of priesthood. I mean that is his name for pity sake...."heel-holder" the "holder on-er". Which again is amplified In devastating manner in Gen 32:24-30. Jacob literally would not let go of the covenant promises given by Jesus God. Jacobs entire life was patterned in this manner. Jacob "held on" tenaciously. And every bit of it was an act of his own free will, An act of his own choosing.

Likewise Esau definitely made his own free will decisions to abandon it. He considered it worthless. He walked away from it. He pursued his own will and went his own way.

Your stygian ignorance is woefully embarrassing. Your posts are filled with wrongheaded unbiblical nonsense.
 
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MeowFlower said:
Mockery. No one who reads you should be surprised .

You are as hate filled as you are ignorant.

The thing about unbeliever Trolls is, they think they can follow POES Law and get away with it.

You can't.
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I'm not hate filled as you suppose. Neither am I ignorant or a troll. I am teasing you a bit because your knickers are in a knot, and because your words ring more true of you than me.
You actually believe you follow laws because you know their outward form, but neglect their understanding.
Perhaps you can share why God created the Sabbath?
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm not hate filled as you suppose. Neither am I ignorant or a troll. I am teasing you a bit because your knickers are in a knot, and because your words ring more true of you than me.
You actually believe you follow laws because you know their outward form, but neglect their understanding.
Perhaps you can share why God created the Sabbath?
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The word Sabbath is in the New Testament of the King James 55 times.
 
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dougcho said:
I have not swamped the OP with a lot of Scripture quotations,
but hopefully you will recall the NT verses which confirm the following …

Man is doubly incapable of believing in Jesus and the Gospel
1 – Because of the disobedience (sin) of Adam and Eve,
all humans are born with an inherited sin nature,
and are bent on sinning instead of following God (Romans 3:9-18).
Having a saving faith is against their very nature!
2 - All unsaved humans are captive prisoners of Satan,
and are bent on doing whatever he wants them to do (2 Timothy 2:26).
Jesus came to set the captives of Satan free (Luke 4:18).
Having a saving faith is against our enemy’s plans for them,
which, of course, is spending eternity with Satan and his demons in hell.
If the God-worshipping Lydia (Acts 16:14) needs God to give her the necessary
faith to believe in Jesus and the Gospel, surely everyone does also!
Similarly, the “anyones” who believe in Jesus in verses such as John 3:16
are the ones whom God has given saving faith!

Father God elects (chooses) and calls whomever He wishes
Jesus says to the elect, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you ….” (John 16:15).
Surely, here is a strong hint that we should investigate this matter further.
Romans chapter 9 is the most famous proponent of God’s election …
“… that the purpose of election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls.
… So then, it is not of him who wills (to be elected, chosen, and called),
nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.” (Romans 9:11-16)
God gives grace to whomever He chooses, but no one deserves grace (unmerited favor)!
God gives justice to whomever He chooses, and everyone deserves justice!
God wishes that all could be saved, but it is not possible because He insists on His justice.
“You love justice and hate evil.” (Hebrews 1”9)
God is not willing that any (of us) should perish, but that all (of us) should repent …
… the “us” referring to His elect, who are promised salvation.
Christians are called to confess and repent of their on-going sins,
and the blood of Jesus will cleanse them of all their unrighteousness (1 John 1:7-9).

The reason why Father God chooses some, but not others
Father God chooses to elect some people for His great pleasure.
He chooses to elect some to demonstrate to the whole world
His great love, mercy, grace, etc. (Romans 9:23).
He chooses to elect some to be companions for His Son throughout eternity (Scriptural?).
Those not chosen are given justice, which sadly is what they deserve.

Those whom Father God gives to Jesus are guaranteed salvation
This is all about the unconditional security of the born-again believer.
Multitudes of NT verses are God’s promises of salvation given to His elect.
Surely, those of us who are born again should be continually praising God and
thanking Him for choosing us … and for the Holy Spirit sanctifying us unto holiness
… and for Jesus interceding for us before Father God in heaven.
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John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God"
Everyone can usually quote John 3:16 but very rarely continue on with the rest of scripture. It's God a lone who changes the heart of His elect. By Grace we have been saved and not of our works lest anyone boast. When you meditate on that each day His grace becomes greater and greater and greater. We serve an amazing God!!
 
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John146 said:
What difference can prayer make if God has already determined all things that will come to pass?
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Prayer can be a means for God to reveal to you that you are walking in the Spirit.
For, for the spiritual, God will lead us into our prayers; thought it may seem that we did it on our own.
For when you pray for something righteous and it comes to pass?
That will be God's confirmation that you are walking as He desires.

Your prayer does not make something happen. Your prayer was made by you to reveal what God knows was to happen.
It happened because you grew enough in truth to know how God thinks in a matter.

grace and peace ...................
 
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