Understanding the kingdom

[Nehemiah6]

In what ways do you think the situations will differ between the Millenium and later (the Final State) when New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven?

It seems that during the latter part of the Millennium many will be covert rebels, since once Satan is loosed he will be able to gather many together in rebellion against Christ at the battle of Gog and Magog. But after all these rebels will be destroyed, then the New Heavens and New Earth will be established. After that there will only be saved nations on earth living in the light of the New Jerusalem. Yet much is hidden from our view.

REVELATION 21: THE NEW JERUSALEM GIVES LIGHT TO THE SAVED NATIONS ON EARTH
23 And the city [New Jerusalem] had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the Light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

 

[Jocund]

BLESSING THROUGH ISRAEL’S RISE is promised the Gentiles

The blessing of all nations through Abraham's promise is Christ (see Acts 3:25-26).

in the Old Testament through early Acts. Isaiah prophesied that
Israel will be given supremacy over the nations (Isa. 60:10-12; 61:6).

Isaiah 1:1 notes that it was concerning Jerusalem and Judah, at a later point we see an address to "O Zion". I don't see any passages specifically talking about supremacy.

From that position of priority Israel shall be a blessing to all the
nations of the earth (Gen. 22:17,18; Zech. 8:13; Acts 3:25,26). The
prophet further states that “the Lord shall arise upon thee [Israel].”..."

Acts 3:25-26 is talking about Christ, not a contemporary geopolitical state that calls itself Israel.

"Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities." - Acts 3:26-26 KJV

Zech 8:12-13 is still talking about Christ:

"For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things. And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong." - Zech 8:12-13 KJV

Gen 22:18 is again talking about Christ:

"And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou [Abraham] hast obeyed my voice." - Gen 22:18 KJV

Let's look at those Isaiah passages. The Holy One of Israel is Christ. The passages are clearly referencing a point when the Messiah has come, and from a Christian perspective Isa 60:19 is placed after the 1000 year kingdom.

"Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee. Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious." - Isa 60:9-13 KJV

"The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended." - Isa 60:19-20 KJV

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." - Rev 21:1 KJV

The passage at Isa 60:19-20 places the timeframe at Rev 21 in New Jerusalem after earth and heaven fade away and are replaced by new earth and new heaven. At least at the point of Isa 60:19, it isn't talking about an earthly kingdom, and it is chronologically after the 1000 year kingdom in Rev 20.

"But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves. For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them. For I the Lord love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them. And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed." - Isa 61:6-9 KJV

You will see "you", "they", and "Gentiles" referenced in that part of Isa 61. The "you", "Gentiles", and "they" each appear as different parties. What's your take on this?

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

"BLESSING THROUGH ISRAEL’S RISE is promised the Gentiles
in the Old Testament through early Acts. Isaiah prophesied that
Israel will be given supremacy over the nations (Isa. 60:10-12; 61:6).

The blessing of all nations through Abraham's promise is Christ
(see Acts 3:25-26).

"Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant
which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in
thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you
first God, having raised up His SON Jesus, sent Him to bless you,
in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."

Christ Was Sent to "bless/save Israel (PLURAL seed)," Correct?

You will see "you", "they", and "Gentiles" referenced in that part of Isa 61.

I don't see any passages specifically talking about supremacy.

Compare:

Isa 60:10-12 "And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls,
and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in My wrath I smote
thee, but in My Favour have I had Mercy on thee.

Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall
not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee
the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

For the nation and kingdom that will NOT serve thee shall
perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted."
+
Isa 61:6 "But ye shall be named the priests of the LORD: men
shall call you the ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches
of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves."

Thus, the "blessing of the Gentile nations" is Through 1) Christ, The
KING Of The earthly Kingdom, And 2) His people, the nation of Israel
being Pre-Imminent (Supremacy?) over all the Gentile nations, Correct?

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

 

[Jocund]

Christ Was Sent to "bless/save Israel (PLURAL seed)," Correct?

You're getting it backwards. The seed is Christ and those in Christ.

Through 1) Christ, The
KING Of The earthly Kingdom, And 2) His people, the nation of Israel
being Pre-Imminent (Supremacy?) over all the Gentile nations, Correct?

I still don't understand why you are injecting "the nation of Israel" into these texts when it isn't present. Christians are Christ's people.

 

[Asterismos]

Kingdom parable. Good shepherd. John 10:11. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for sheep. I am the good, and know my sheep, and am known of mine . As the father knows Me , even so I know the Father and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have , which are not of this fold: them also I must bring , and they shall hear My voice, and their shall be one fold, and one shepherd. The trilogy of psalms is 22, 23, 24. These tell of the complete ministry of Jesus in his relationship to us. Psalm chapter 23. He had to use His staff to keep his sheep from straying away from the flock. And Jesus high priest, jesus advocates for Christians. Repent your sins to God, and be sincere. Jesus is the mediator, He represents us before throne of God. Hebrews chapter 13 will document this. Psalm 24. Who is the king of glory? Jesus is coming near future as king of kings. Ezekiel chapter 34 describes the wanderings of Israel through the nations, they are described as sheep, he says explicitly that in time of their Restoration, They shall know I the Lord their God am with them. And that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, says the Lord God, and ye are My flock, the flock of the pasture, are men, and I an your God, says Lord God, Ezekiel 34: 30, 31. That restoration is coming near future. Both Israel and judah will be one staff in Jesus hand. Antichrist will come 6th trump, before the Restoration, and you want nothing to do with that pasture, it's nothing but lies and deception. Many people will believe antichrist lies and worship him. Satan has long train that leads to hell. Dont be in that group. And theirs one crazy person on this chat that is stalking me, leaving negative comments. The Truth offends some people, it means that their doing wrong.