Vaccination?

[Lucy-Pevensie]

How many died from COVID with zero underlying conditions? That’s the real number. COVID is a real sickness, no denying it. But have the numbers been inflated to fit an agenda? Absolutely!

On the other hand, there are people dying from the shot with under lying conditions, but are not being counted as a vaccine death. That’s hypocritical at the least.

Furthermore, most deaths could have been prevented with the frontline meds. These meds were suppressed by governments to push the shot. Why? What’s the agenda?

My sister who lives in The USA, caught the Fauci flu 2 months ago.
Herself and her adult son & daughter caught it after going to a different state for a wedding.
It took about 2 weeks for her to recover fully. She is in her 60's & she treated herself with Ivermectin.
The son & daughter recovered in 3-4 days with no treatment. None of them have been vaccinated.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My sister who lives in The USA, caught the Fauci flu 2 months ago.
Herself and her adult son & daughter caught it after going to a different state for a wedding.
It took about 2 weeks for her to recover fully. She is in her 60's & she treated herself with Ivermectin.
The son & daughter recovered in 3-4 days with no treatment. None of them have been vaccinated.

This is great!

Sadly for many this is not the case

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is such a joke. For the last 20 years I have been taking needles full of chemo drugs! Sometimes daily, or weekly, or monthly or every 6 months, depending upon which biologic I was taking.

I don't think anything could be more toxic than chemo drugs! Even in the smaller doses I take. They all have side effects, and cancer can be a side effect.

For me, it is a matter of a cost benefit analysis. The price/cost is side effects, and injecting toxic pharmaceutical drugs into my body. The benefit has to be high, for me to play with the cost of these drugs to my body!

in fact, the benefit is huge! I go from completely bed ridden, unable to get out of bed to get to the bathroom in my own, to being able to function almost normally. The pain of RA is also excruciating and debilitating. And pain also means permanent deformities. So, I take a toxic drug, and the benefit is that I can live an almost normal life. Lying in bed in agony, being unable to move, is not living!

The vaccine is the same for me, except the cost is much lower. I had no reaction to the vaccines I took. The benefit is that my damaged lungs will be protected from COVID pneumonia, which would have killed me at the beginning. Of course my lungs have improved tremendously wearing a mask, a real mask with a carbon filter, that I gave not had a cold or pneumonia in 2 years.

The vaccine is a win-win situation. Almost no risk, but high returns of not being sick. It doesn't compare to what I take daily just to get out of bed!

Interesting studies have been done of life span with people who take toxic biologics like I have for 21 years. People who take DMARDs and biologics show they live 5-10 years longer than people who do not take these drugs. I'm sure the vax has also expanded many people's life span.

I was always into natural products, a vegetarian for 50 years, always grown my own veggies, I buy organic fruit locally. I do believe in staying away from too much processed foods, sugar, and chemicals in what I eat. But it did not stop me from getting RA, and it won't stop anyone from getting COVID.

I once made a list of the times I would have died without modem medicine. It would have been over 40 times. I am going to chose the lesser of 2 evils when it comes to meds versus disease. And meds are certainly much better me than dying of pneumonia or RA. Or COVID!

For any vaccine or pill. This is what we must decide. Are the side affects worth it

All of them have side affects. One of the side affects is what helps you. Beneficial side effects or therapeutic. Others are not so good for you. But may be worth it when the risk of not taking it is worse (like death)

 

[gb9]

For any vaccine or pill. This is what we must decide. Are the side affects worth it

All of them have side affects. One of the side affects is what helps you. Beneficial side effects or therapeutic. Others are not so good for you. But may be worth it when the risk of not taking it is worse (like death)

i opt for a healthy immune system


that will help one not get sick much more than a vax.....

 

[Angela53510]

How many died from COVID with zero underlying conditions? That’s the real number. COVID is a real sickness, no denying it. But have the numbers been inflated to fit an agenda? Absolutely!

On the other hand, there are people dying from the shot with under lying conditions, but are not being counted as a vaccine death. That’s hypocritical at the least.

Furthermore, most deaths could have been prevented with the frontline meds. These meds were suppressed by governments to push the shot. Why? What’s the agenda?

But that is precisely my point. No one can say there is a 98 or 99% recovery for COVID. Age makes a huge difference as to whether people survive a round of COVID. I'm getting up there in age. I would not ever be so stupid to think at my age (even without my other conditions!) that I would survive getting COVID. People 65-74 have a 90 times greater chance of dying of COVID than someone in the 18-29 category! (This is mine & my husband's age group!) And people over 85 have a 570x greater chance of dying of COVID than a 18-29 year old person!

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...s-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

Then there are underlying conditions that raise the risk of COVID. With bad lungs from 30 years of asthma, pneumonias, & Rheumatoid Lung Disease, I'm sure it would multiply my chances of dying from COVID. My age raised it 90x, even 10x more means I have a 900 times greater chance of dying of COVID than a healthy 18-29 year old.

I could multiply it again because my chemo drugs lower my immune system, probably as much as a 10x. So now my risk of dying from COVID is 9000x higher than a healthy young person.

And I could go on. The fact is, at my age, and in my physical condition I could have up to 9000x more chance of dying of COVID than the average healthy young adult. I would be foolish to rely on worthless internet stats that I would have a 99% chance of recovery, when in fact I have up to a 9000 times greater chance of dying from COVID. Instead, I got the vax, and I am confident I have lower my risk by 1000 to 8995 times. Leaving me with a slightly higher risk than a young person, but still giving me a chance to survive.

I am NOT the only one! From cancer (1.9 M new cases a year!) and organ transplant patients (40K per year); 1.5 million people in the US with RA, and every other compromising disease there is. Diabetes is a very high risk to die from COVID, with 34.2 million people with the disease in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/library/features/diabetes-stat-report.html

Then there is heart disease! A bigger killer in its own, forget about COVID. 30.3 million people have heart disease in the US. (I do too, I should have added that to my risk assessment!) https://www.healthline.com/health/heart-disease/statistics
The number of people who are at high risk for dying from COVID is huge!! Millions and millions of people! Why do people insist in this thread that people will recover easily from COVID when that is a total lie!!? No! Millions have a huge risk of dying because of underlying conditions. That is the point! And for a few to say it is a lack of faith that causes us to get vaccinated insults literally millions of Christians who have loved and served God for years, by expecting them to conform to the risks of a healthy 18-29 year old!

Risks are so important to assess. My risk is high, I will obey God and choose life. That means taking a vaccine, which has given me no side effects at all. The fear mongering is all from the people trying to scare us from taking the COVID vaccine, when it minimizes the chance of dying of COVID, using stats that are not valid for millions of people with underlying health conditions. You can't eliminate those underlying conditions, and they must be recognized as greatly increasing the risk of millions of people dying of COVID because of increased risk of COVID from underlying conditions!

 

[John146]

I am NOT the only one! From cancer (1.9 M new cases a year!) and organ transplant patients (40K per year); 1.5 million people in the US with RA, and every other compromising disease there is. Diabetes is a very high risk to die from COVID, with 34.2 million people with the disease in the US.

Being a stem cell transplant patient myself and having a low immune system, I got Covid back in January. I immediately called the frontline doctors and they sent the meds overnight. Literally six hours of beginning the meds I was 100% fine. I had fatigue for the next week or so, but that's all. The frontline meds work and may have been a life saver for me, only God knows. My oncologist still tries to push the shot on me. I refuse. These meds have been suppressed by doctors and mocked by the liberal media for over a year, meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people died. People are not being treated properly, even in the United States. My whole family got Covid, took the meds, and were just fine. That is the testimony of dozens of other families I know personally. A local doctor (who has been mocked) has treated over 3,000 patients with the meds and only one had to go to the hospital (diabetic and severely overweight) and they survived. This doctor has been taking the meds as a precaution and never got sick and never wears a mask.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i opt for a healthy immune system


that will help one not get sick much more than a vax.....

That’s great if you have this. Praise God
Sadly, not everyone has that or the ability to get it and they must make a choice

 

[BARNABUS]

Just for the sake of speculation, what if a “lethal air born virus” began to spread from one coast to another….and DEATH was the immediate result from simply one inhalation. Would we still be talking about personal preferences, or would we be immediately on our way to the nearest vaccination center?
It is still your decision, but that oxygen tank on your back will only last another hour.

 

[Aidan1]

You now have natural God given immunity that is far superior to the shots.

This fits also those believers which are alredy died because of the virus?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just for the sake of speculation, what if a “lethal air born virus” began to spread from one coast to another….and DEATH was the immediate result from simply one inhalation. Would we still be talking about personal preferences, or would we be immediately on our way to the nearest vaccination center?
It is still your decision, but that oxygen tank on your back will only last another hour.

Again this is not the case for everyone. Not everyone will die. This has been proven. That’s why mandated vaccines are evil

 

[Dino246]

Just for the sake of speculation, what if a “lethal air born virus” began to spread from one coast to another….and DEATH was the immediate result from simply one inhalation. Would we still be talking about personal preferences, or would we be immediately on our way to the nearest vaccination center?
It is still your decision, but that oxygen tank on your back will only last another hour.

Speculation is a waste of time. We live in reality, and there is no need to be injected with a potentially dangerous substance to forestall a “speculation”.

 

[PennEd]

This is how you know the “vaccine” is working!
You feel like death, your school has to shut down, and you simply can’t wait to inject MORE junk into you! Woo Hoo!

Michigan School System Closes After ‘Large Number’ of Teachers Become Ill from COVID Shot

Numerous schools in a Michigan township closed on Monday after numerous staff members fell ill suffering “negative reactions” from COVID-19 booster shots.

As employees get fired or resign from their jobs for refusing to comply with the vaccine mandate, schools in the Saginaw school district and around the country are substantially understaffed.

After numerous staff members of Saginaw County Community Schools received an experimental COVID booster shot over the weekend, they had negative reactions and were too sick to return to work, forcing the township’s elementary, middle and high schools to close in the district on Monday.

“A large number of our staff had a negative reaction to the COVID booster shot given at a voluntary clinic over the weekend,” Saginaw Township Community Schools announced on the homepage of its website and Facebook page on Monday. “There is a substitute teacher/staff shortage throughout the state, further complicating the availability to cover those absences.”


The booster shot, not Covid-19, is to blame for the negative reactions, a district spokesperson told Saginaw’s local ABC affiliate.

 

[John146]

This fits also those believers which are alredy died because of the virus?

Immunity from surviving Covid...

 

[AandW]

This shows NO understanding of the m-RNA vaccine. For one thing, it is very fragile, which is why it has to be kept at such a low temperature, and with oil surrounding it. Once the vaccine is in the body, it starts the process of the body learning how to fight the COVID virus. Within 48 hours, 72 hours max, the vaccine has been broken down and excreted from the body.

No chemical reaction, at all, but biological. No long term side effects, because the virus is gone. A small number of people do have side effects immediately after the vax, or a day or two later. But the amount of side effects is so much lower than what COVID dies. I personally know many who have died from COVID, including a seminary professor of mine. I know many with serious long term effects, including some young, healthy pastors. The rain does fall on the just and unjust! (Matt 5:45) I know hundreds and hundreds of people who have been vaxed. I know 2 or 3 who have had a reaction stronger than a sore arm. But proportionally, the vax is so much milder & safer than getting the virus, and ruining your life or dying.

The molecular weight of an individual chemical compound is typically too small to elicit an immune reaction. “So they need to bind with a so-called carrier protein to create an allergen and therefore a response,”

In the cytoplasm, mRNA molecules are translated for protein synthesis by the rRNA of ... The molecule that would eventually become known as mRNA

The mRNA is the same as a [so-called carrier protein], which is how possible chemical compounds can be transferred.

I am discussing the MECHANICS here, not the ingredients, but Thank You!

 

[PennEd]

Doesn’t this guy know that having your heart swell up to the point you have to quit your professional career, is just a sign that the vaccine is working!!

 

[AandW]

Doesn’t this guy know that having your heart swell up to the point you have to quit your professional career, is just a sign that the vaccine is working!!

He needs to see a better Doctor because Pericarditis is easily fixed within a couple months with proper treatment. Makes no sense why he is retiring. Hopefully, it's a temporary situation or at least until he finds a doctor with a Clue!!

Pericarditis may be caused by a viral infection or heart attack. In many cases, the cause is unknown.
The most common symptom is sharp, stabbing chest pain that may travel to the left shoulder and neck. Pericarditis usually begins suddenly but doesn't last long.
[[Most cases are mild and usually improve on their own]]. Treatment for more severe cases may include medications and, rarely, surgery.

I would say the Arthritis is to Blame more than anything else for his retirement.

And POTS is rarely found in men, mostly in Women [89%] between ages 18-50.

 

[AandW]

What bothers me, was the professional mountain biker said he Developed, not that he was Diagnosed.

You tell me you are Diagnosed and I Immediately think Legit!
You tell me Developed and I Immediately think Mental Illness to think one can self diagnose them self!

 

[Duckybill]

Don't be stupid! We've been through this already in this thread.

The vaccine is NOT the mark of the beast.

Nobody said it is. Who's being stupid?

It is not even in the right place. (Hand or forehead!) a burn again Christian dies not Lise their salvation. After 41 years of following Christ, reading the Bible more than 55 times through, I know who my Redeemer is! I had my vaxes in my left upper arm. Not my right hand.

A choice for a medical procedure, either to have a vax or not, is not a salvic issue!

How does the Bible say we are saved? Whether we have a vaccine or not? Never!

"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." Roman's 10:9-10

Such a poor understanding of salvation you demonstrate by pulling this image out of the context of Revelation and the rest of the Bible, and start committing eisegesis. Worst hermeneutics I have seen.

You better get your heart right with God and confess your sin of wrong use of the Bible to condemn a fellow Christian.

You are either totally confused or a false accuser.

 

[Aidan1]

Immunity from surviving Covid...

Great, and what is with those ehich do not survive Covid?

 

[John146]

Great, and what is with those ehich do not survive Covid?

Why wouldn’t they survive? The frontline meds work.