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[Yeraza_Bats]

I agree, we should study the doctrines first and foremost. But to be honest, I personally am not overly interested. I have the Gospel which is the way the life the truth.

If God puts me in a place to witness to Moslems, that is good.

I mean, thats fine, if you dont feel called to do it and feel the desire to help other people. I brought this up in another thread just now actually, about Mormonism. I have a close friend who feels the way I do about helping others come out of Islam about Mormonism, the other day we watched a film about it together. And I have even learned of a few good arguments against Mormonism : p And Im grateful for that.

It never hurts to learn a few things in case you ever have that conversation. I post like once a week about how allah claims no one can change his word, that he gave us the Gospel, and that Christians are commanded to judge by it : p I learned that argument from others and am sharing what I learned cuz its a good argument : p
Theres no doubt that Muhammad was a false prophet, I absolutely want everyone to know about it.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Everyone knows that a lot of evil things have been done in the name of the Church. This is not rocket science.

The difference is that the evils done in the name of Islam are justified by the teachings of Islam in the quran and the hadiths, where the evils done in the name of Christianity were done against the Bible.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

That is political correctness Yereza. Criticize Judaism, (or even Jews - as a Jew is by definition a follower of Judaism), and everyone goes ballistic.

I have not seen this : p Make racist jokes about Jews and people get mad, yeah. Thats absolutely understandable. Thats no different than making jokes about Muslims being inbred and all that. But about Judaism itself? I have not seen such a reaction.

But, the Jews do worship the same God that we do, and I have no desire to criticize the God that I place my faith into. The Jews have done wrong, yeah. But there is no verse about the Christian being better, sinless, or the true people of God anywhere in the Bible. All have sinned, and all have fallen short of the glory of God.

 

[Jimbone]

The Church has one simple function, to be Christ in the world.

That really is Christianity in a nutshell.


Everyone knows that a lot of evil things have been done in the name of the Church. This is not rocket science.

For the record I would never deny that horrible things have been done in the name of Christianity, no doubt and I'm not trying to deny that at all. What I am talking about is what each ideology teaches, and anyone that has done the horrible things in the name of Christ is WRONG and going against what Jesus taught. This is not the case with Islam, in fact it is the exact opposite, the only way to deny this is to be ignorant of what each teaches, bottom line.

That said we do agree 1000% as far as what the church is called to do and spread the good news and Truth of Jesus Christ. In my mind exposing the false, evil, violent deception of Islam goes hand and hand with that. I would also like to add how I feel that should be done personally, so it doesn't seem like I feel going to a mosque and screaming "your false prophet is a pedophile", would be a option in doing this. That is not what I'm advocating here, we need to reach out in love and treat these people like Jesus calls us to, but that means being truthful, in love, but even when it's not popular. Also the only reason I even study Islam the way I do is to understand exactly what Islam says and teaches, and even how it is presented to it's adherents so I can be better equipped to present the Truth of Christ to the Muslim people.

Anyway I hope that clarifies my position a bit more and helps you to understand I agree with you as far as what the main objective is, but I still STRONGLY disagree the Christ taught ANYTHING evil at all.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

so it doesn't seem like I feel going to a mosque and screaming "your false prophet is a pedophile", would be a option in doing this.

I see this all the time on youtube comments, and it drives me crazy. People going out of their way to just blatantly insult Muslims is clearly not going to do any good.

As for the violence it commands, I do think that should be made public. And not so we can stick it to Muslims. We should allow people to practice whatever religion they want and all that, but we should also make a statement that we stand for our principles. That everyone is free to practice whatever religion they want, and everyone is free to live how they want as long as they follow the laws. Muslims can believe whatever they want, they are even free to believe that fighting the unbeliever is the right thing to do if they really want to. But I think we should acknowledge that the quran and hadiths make these commands, and stand for our principles, that no one is allowed to harm others for what they believe.

And I absolutely believe that if these teachings in Islam became more known and understood, there would be less people considering converting to Islam. Just as people want to avoid nazism due to its evil and hateful nature, there would be people who would be put off from Islam for the same reasons.

 

[Jimbone]

I agree with you as far as all of us having the freedom to choose what we want to follow, but after God changed me, lifting the vale allowing me to see truth, I just can't stop myself from wanting to share that truth with them. Honestly what kind of follower of Jesus would I be if I could just know what I know (what He has shown me) and just shrug my shoulders at the nearly 2 billion people on this earth that are in a system that leads to hell. For the record that goes for everyone outside of Christ, even those that attend Christian churches yet know Him not, I was one of these for nearly 5 years.

I just can't in good conscious say "you believe as you want and I'll believe what I want" in this situation. Not that I can change the world, or that I do anything other than try to submit to His will understanding that ALL power lays with Him alone, but I just can't agree 100% with that line of thought. I do think I understand what you mean though and agree, everyone has the freedom to choose what they want, the best thing and really only thing we can do is share His truth with as much love as possible. I also agree that many would leave if they knew more about what Islam truly teaches.

You know the thing that blows my mind more than almost anything, is how some feminist trip over themselves to defend Islam. I mean really?????????????????? Also how Jesus and Christians are attacked with such malice for anything even perceived, yet Islam seems to get a pass even/especially after terror attacks. Not surprising, and exactly what Jesus told us would happen, but still it blows my mind seeing it everyday.

 

[kaylagrl]

Do you want to provoke more terrorist attacks?
Because this is how you provoke more terrorist attacks

​What do you mean exactly,its not clear what you're saying. Elaborate a little maybe?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I agree with you as far as all of us having the freedom to choose what we want to follow, but after God changed me, lifting the vale allowing me to see truth, I just can't stop myself from wanting to share that truth with them. Honestly what kind of follower of Jesus would I be if I could just know what I know (what He has shown me) and just shrug my shoulders at the nearly 2 billion people on this earth that are in a system that leads to hell. For the record that goes for everyone outside of Christ, even those that attend Christian churches yet know Him not, I was one of these for nearly 5 years.

I just can't in good conscious say "you believe as you want and I'll believe what I want" in this situation. Not that I can change the world, or that I do anything other than try to submit to His will understanding that ALL power lays with Him alone, but I just can't agree 100% with that line of thought. I do think I understand what you mean though and agree, everyone has the freedom to choose what they want, the best thing and really only thing we can do is share His truth with as much love as possible. I also agree that many would leave if they knew more about what Islam truly teaches.

You know the thing that blows my mind more than almost anything, is how some feminist trip over themselves to defend Islam. I mean really?????????????????? Also how Jesus and Christians are attacked with such malice for anything even perceived, yet Islam seems to get a pass even/especially after terror attacks. Not surprising, and exactly what Jesus told us would happen, but still it blows my mind seeing it everyday.

Oh no, I absolutely agree with you. Freedom of speech must be protected. Just as they should have the right to seek converts to Islam, we should with Christianity as well. We are given the duty to share the Gospel : p

I definitely think youre right here, we should totally be working to guide everyone to Christ.

EDIT: My focus was on the whole using force against those who dont believe, as Muhammad commanded. No one should have that right.

 

[Socreta93]

​What do you mean exactly,its not clear what you're saying. Elaborate a little maybe?

killing leads to retaliation. Fighting hate with more hate leads to more hate.

 

[kaylagrl]

I think some things about Islam are evil. There are also some very good things in Islam.
The extra problem is that Wahabism, an extremely violent sect of Islam, promulgated out of Saudi Arabia, (the West's big ally cough cough), has become very dominant recently.

Some aspects of Christianity are also very evil. Just because we say "Lord Lord," it doesn't alter the fact that Jesus views something as totally evil. Particularly evil is the Church trying to give the terrorist state of Israel a free pass to behave in a very evil manner.

The Zionist Church is just as much a part of the Church as Wahabism is a part of Islam. (Although many would say that ISIS isn't even Islamic, but stands for Israeli Secret Intelligence Services).

No,there is nothing good in Islam. Its a false religion and an evil religion. It denies that Jesus is God and says He was only a prophet. It is anti-Christ. Period.End of discussion. That does not mean everyone within the religion is evil,they are bound by satan and need deliverance.But the belief itself is anti-Christ,violent and evil.

There is nothing evil about Christianity as a belief. If you are following the Word,there is nothing evil about it,this is not the same with Islam. So I'd appreciate if you dont compare the two,they are nothing alike.

I dont agree with everything Israel does but I do believe they are Gods chosen. Some don't and thats between them and God. But to call Israel a terrorist state is total and utter nonsense. Utter nonsense. And as far as ISIS being the Israeli Secret Service,please take that junk to the conspiracy theory forum where it belongs. Its balderdash!!

 

[J7]

blah blah blah, what's the furthest you've ever ventured out of Pokeyville?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

killing leads to retaliation. Fighting hate with more hate leads to more hate.

Shes asking who hes responding to specifically, since there is conversation on the thread about how to deal with violence in Islam.

It was not clear if it was in response to the OP, or someone else, because he did not quote anyone when he made the post.

 

[kaylagrl]

The Church has one simple function, to be Christ in the world.

That really is Christianity in a nutshell.


Everyone knows that a lot of evil things have been done in the name of the Church. This is not rocket science.

A person doing violence in the name of God is doing so against God and against the teaching of the Word. Not so with Islam. When a person does violence in the name of allah they are doing what muhammed did and what allah tells them to do. A vast difference.

 

[Magenta]

Terrorist groups like ISIS are criminals who are using Islam as a vehicle to further their own interests which are centered around gaining political power and control. They do this by distorting Islamic teachings and feed their version to the young and impressionable. This is very similar to the methods used by other extreme political groups and Christian Cults. A constant focus on the shortcomings of Islam plays into the hands of the terrorists and will not produce a single convert

When people do exactly as Islam explicitly teaches, it is false to call their actions a distortion of Islamic teachings.

 

[stonesoffire]

That's exactly the problem with Islam. There is no peace in the religion...if they were in power...those who say they are for peace would be right there with the leaders shouting cut off their heads.

 

[kaylagrl]

killing leads to retaliation. Fighting hate with more hate leads to more hate.

​ Retaliation is wrong,we know that as Christians. I hadn't seen where the man who ran into the group of Muslims claimed to be a Christian... But when people see all the attacks by Muslims they start to see a pattern and people who are unbalanced,as this man was,are going to retaliate. Not right,but its going to happen. And Im surprised we dont see it happen more often. And conservative doesn't necessarily mean Christian you know. No Christian would say this was right.

 

[Jimbone]

killing leads to retaliation. Fighting hate with more hate leads to more hate.

Agreed, and almost as effective as burying your head in the sand and pretending that the fuel for that hate isn't what's running it.

 

[stonesoffire]

It's the same spirit that put Jesus to death.

Wake up church! Not to you magenta and kayla...

 

[kaylagrl]

blah blah blah, what's the furthest you've ever ventured out of Pokeyville?

​Who is this aimed at? And where exactly is "pokeyville"?

 

[J7]

​Who is this aimed at? And where exactly is "pokeyville"?

It is aimed at you.

Pokeyville? It is a town somewhere between Ma and Pa Kettle and Polookaville