Yeah, that is correct, if we could lose our salvation, we weren't truly "no longer of the world".
Verse for "once saved always saved"?
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Do you mean here that you are already saved even if you kill, hurt, deceive or do anything wrong against any people?
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he was never saved to begin with, proven by the fact he had works with proved his unbelief, even Jesus called him the devil.
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A person who says a white lie is just as guilty as a murderer
A person who knows to do right, but decides against it is just as guilty as the murderer
James 2: 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
Don;t see yourself as so righteous thinking you have earned your eternal life. You can not and you have not,
Not only Judas but any Christian can be reprobate too so OSAS is a lie.
2 Cor. 13:5 Try your own selves if you be in the faith; prove ye yourselves. Know you not your own selves, that Christ Jesus is in you, unless perhaps you be reprobates?
Even Apostle Paul can be cast away so OSAS is a lie
1 Cor. 9:27 But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway.
Will God save these people ha? so OSAS is dubious!
Ezekiel 18:24 But if the just man turn himself away from his justice, and do iniquity according to all the abominations which the wicked man useth to work, shall he live? all his justices which he hath done, shall not be remembered: in the prevarication, by which he hath prevaricated, and in his sin, which he hath committed, in them he shall die
Wow, you've managed to take out of context and misapply 3 Scriptures in a row!!!! Congrats for being consistent!
I never claimed that I earned eternal life. it is your only perception.
OSAS will never be a Biblical teaching of Lord Jesus.
Ezekiel 18:24 But if the just man turn himself away from his justice, and do iniquity according to all the abominations which the wicked man useth to work, shall he live? all his justices which he hath done, shall not be remembered: in the prevarication, by which he hath prevaricated, and in his sin, which he hath committed, in them he shall die.
Remember that the lake of fire is another death in the Bible.
In this verse Jesus gives his disciples the promise that the Holy Spirit will be given to them in order that he may (possibility) abide with them forever.
For al those who believe in Christ, they are given the Holy Spirit as a downpayment of what will be even greater things in the eternal realms.
Agree but there is also a chance that he can become wicked again. read Ezekiel 18:24 again. In fact Paul can also be a cast away in 1 Cor. 9:27.
So it is not OSAS at all.
I don't think that OSAS will be applied to this kind of man:
Matthew 10:33 But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.
Salvation is not always save at all.
there is a chance that a Christian can be cast away and denied by the Father someday.
The words of Jesus in John 5:24:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life
."heareth" ,"believeth", "hath", and "shall come" are all present tenses which means ongoing action.
"is passed" is perfect tense which is completed action with ongoing results
The one who is hearing and is believing is having eternal life and is not coming into condemnation, but has passed out of death and into life (with ongoing results) Praise the Lord!
A beautiful powerful comforting verse for the one who is believing in Christ! PTL!
But does it say that once a believer always a believer? Not that I can see.
But I suppose that if you have concluded from the rest of Scripture that OSAS is a Biblical doctrine, then this verse could be used to support that doctrine.?
Its the theme of the whole Bible.
According to the law of faith its either Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS)or Once Lost Always Lost.(OLAL)
Which Master a person serves determines the outcome.
Better things accompany salvation called "total redemption" God does not give us a unknown remnant of His grace .That's a Catholic doctrine of men .
Christ as our confidence promise those who have been redeemed He will continue to work in us until the last day. Those who follow after crucifying Christ over and over subjecting Him to public shame as if we need more that one example... fulfill .
Like Saul before His conversion, his conscience was pricked by the letter of the law as a thorn in his flesh until God gave him the hearing of His faith in respect to the law of faith. He received the better thing that accompanies salvation a new spirit and new heart in respect to His new faith. (OSAS)
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: [SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
Yeah, they are ongoing... and they will never be cancelled!
[FONT="][h=1]Philippians 1:6 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:[/FONT]
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A castaway is a backslidden believer, but not a lost one. And Ezekiel was under the law, not under Grace (John 1:17)