Virginity- Keeping it

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This is from 2012. (Warning, you can turn pictures off on your browser: undewear clad female alert.)
Study: Sex before marriage adversely impacts relationship

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According to the findings of this study couples who waited until after their wedding night reported their relationship stability level 22 percent higher than those who did not. Additionally with abstinence the value of relationship satisfaction rose by 20 percent, communication level was up by 12 percent and the sexual quality improved by 15 percent."

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No, but to reject someone because of it (key difference between wanting something and rejecting because of its lack), I would have a hard time believing there isn't some pride/judgement lurking somewhere in the rejection. Maybe those things aren't there in the rejection - but, I would have a hard time believing it.

Not wanting to marry someone isn't the same thing as rejecting them as a friend or brother or sister. If you apply that reasoning to things other than virginity, then you'd obligate everyone to marry the first interested person who came along, no matter whether they found them attractive or not.

At the end of Matthew 7, Jesus said that many would come to Him and say 'Lord, Lord...' but He would say, 'Depart from Me, ye workers of iniquity.' The word translated 'iniquity' can be translated as 'lawlessness' there.
 
But Christianity is about those thing (sanctification). Just because it is not only about those things (apart from faith) does not mean they are not a part of Christianity. It is like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is more important. Having faith means nothing without living the right way in accordance to God's word, because if your so called "faith" allows you to go on fornicating and getting drunk then that faith is a lie. Jesus isn't offering a get out of jail free card. Repentance is about trying as hard as you can and trusting that God will see that you become free. It is the sincere effort that God cares about. For most people that sincere effort is something they would like to avoid more than anything.

Of course, it's not the ONLY part ("Should we sin that grace may abound? Heaven forbid!") but it is often emphasized with the most important doctrines minimized or left unspoken. Look at the opening pages of this thread. Someone who isn't a Christian reading those posts would think that Christianity is about rules - just like anything else, therefore not unique or special.

Jesus said, "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." He also said, "If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell." Are we really to believe that He believes in compromise or "being reasonable" in accordance with the ways of the world?

Yes, I'm going to go grab an ice pick right now, and gouge out my eye right now. You see how people can understand Scripture in different ways? Sure, we explain it as a hyperbole, but when we want to teach an eternal hell, then THOSE words are literal and not hyperbole - in other words, Christians pick and choose how to interpret Scripture to fit their doctrine.

"Narrow gate" and such are very vague terms. And through the centuries there's been a ton of different understandings of it. Narrow gate means path of heaven to you. Some might think of it differently. Again, Christians choose how to interpret Scripture, just as much as any unbeliever chooses how to represent it in efforts to deny it's worth.

I have a friend that claimed to be a Christian for years with the mentality that sex outside of marriage was natural and fine. I, at the time, didn't have the good sense to argue with him, and the time finally came where he ended up in a sexual relationship that effectively destroyed whatever faith he had. "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death."

So because your single friend felt guilt because all those years that doctrine had been presented to him and he ignored it, means that EVERYONE who ever gets sexually involved is doomed to the unbelief and the fires of hell? There are plenty of people who have sex before marriage and maintain a strong faith in Jesus and His work. I'm just saying that an argument from resulting unbelief is a subjective, relative one, that MANY don't experience.

Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers" In regards to the pharisees he said "so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice". This idea that prayer and going to church and reading your bible is the only important thing is wrong.

Yes, that's true, and LOL, I NEVER said that to begin with! And in the context, Jesus is talking about prophets, not the general believer.

G.K. Chesterton said, "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried." But we have been watering it down as if sanctification is optional. It is not.

Christianity hasn't been tired, despite there been literally billions of Christians through history. Yeah, ok. And again, that is not an absolute statement of truth, but a general piece of wisdom in relevance to the modern world. On one hand, there have been those who tried it AND found it wanting - hence falling away. There are those who wanted a challenge (difficulty) to their current philosophy and choose to see what Jesus said - and ended up trying the faith and becoming believers. Sorry, but that statement can not be used to apply to every single case.

I'm watering down sanctification by being realistic about the issue at hand? Ok.
 
This is from 2012. (Warning, you can turn pictures off on your browser: undewear clad female alert.)
Study: Sex before marriage adversely impacts relationship

"
According to the findings of this study couples who waited until after their wedding night reported their relationship stability level 22 percent higher than those who did not. Additionally with abstinence the value of relationship satisfaction rose by 20 percent, communication level was up by 12 percent and the sexual quality improved by 15 percent."

Read more: Study: Sex before marriage adversely impacts relationship
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I don't dispute that. That's good reason to wait - which is what I've been saying all along, despite the comprehension-lacking that is going on this thread.

But again, it is a study, and therefore is open to being disproven by another study.
 
proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD.

Said Solomon with his book of GENERAL truths, not absolute, every scenario judgements.

Again, Christians chose how to present Scripture based on the point they want to prove. I'm no different. EVERYONE does it. There is no Scripture "speaking for itself."
 
Ok. Ok. I think I'm going to stop participating in certain discussions on this thread. It's not that I can't or don't want to answer objections, but there have been cases of people repeating what I said in the previous post (thus making it look like a rebuttal that I didn't think of myself), there have been stuffing of the mouth with words, certain people who choose to engage me brings up points and arguments that I have already discussed earlier in the thread (either they didn't read them, or just want to stir up contention because it offends them), and sometimes they ignore valid points while selecting the ones in my post they want to respond to. What that says to me is that some people aren't honestly thinking about my posts. (This is always taking up a lot of time as well.)

I have suggested that "everything will be alright" WHEN you have the unfortunate case of falling into sin (sexual or otherwise). Apparently, to some people, God's hands are tied when we sin. We screw ourselves over, and there ain't nothing God can do about it. Yeah, that's some omnipotence alright. Well, the truth is that God has a purpose for sin. God has a purpose for Satan. God has a purpose for evil and suffering. To say otherwise would be to admit that He's not the God of ALL and EVERYTHING. It is a blatant refusal to embrace the very Scripture they claim to defend:

Joseph was handed over to slavery by his brothers (they sinned against him). Then he was falsely accused of rape (she sinned against him). Eventually, though, BECAUSE he was sold into slavery, he ended up in a position of power to help not only the whole nation of Egypt but his family as well.

King David slept with a man's wife, and then murdered the man when she became pregnant (double-whammy sin). But later in their marriage, Solomon was conceived, who wrote some of the best and timeless literature that we know of, he built the temple David wanted to build (which God was very pleased with), and he conducted a reign of peace and prosperity.

Let's not forget that if the Jews hadn't of handed Jesus over to the Romans, Jesus wouldn't have died and been raised, and thus "we would still be in our sin! Our faith would be futile!" (1 Cor 15)

There are others.

Yeah, this whole assertion that sin has no purpose, that there is no bright side, that it is the end of your dreams, is utter rubbish, a denial of clear stories in Scripture, and an attack on God's ability to intervene or even care for that matter. Call me a heretic all you like, brand me as corrupting the youth, I don't care. But I will stand by my convictions just as much as the next person and passages like these are the reasons that I don't feel necessary or helpful to impart on the young Christian that sin (when they do sin - not saying they SHOULD) is going to ruin their life. Especially when they are going to sin ANYWAY, even if it's not sexually. What is that old meme? "Don't judge me because I sin differently than you do." That statement has much more Scripture implied in it, than the simple command "Don't fornicate."

Anyway, I'm out.
 
Yes, I'm going to go grab an ice pick right now, and gouge out my eye right now. You see how people can understand Scripture in different ways? Sure, we explain it as a hyperbole, but when we want to teach an eternal hell, then THOSE words are literal and not hyperbole - in other words, Christians pick and choose how to interpret Scripture to fit their doctrine.

"Narrow gate" and such are very vague terms. And through the centuries there's been a ton of different understandings of it. Narrow gate means path of heaven to you. Some might think of it differently. Again, Christians choose how to interpret Scripture, just as much as any unbeliever chooses how to represent it in efforts to deny it's worth.

The quotes I used were not to make a point about heaven or hell, only the character of God. He does not share your attitude of compromise. He tells us that we are to choose the narrow path in life, and not to follow the ways of the world, even if it means making huge sacrifices (such as our own eye). Depending on the person, this might mean not watching TV, or not drinking any alcohol at all, not having friends of the opposite sex, not having access to the internet, etc.. Whatever it takes to be free of sin. It's clear that legalism will not save a person here because where there is merely a law there will always be ways around it, which you seem to be trying to exploit. I'm glad you've decided to stop posting. The youth have enough of this push towards compromise in society already.
 
Said Solomon with his book of GENERAL truths, not absolute, every scenario judgements.

So do you think sometimes you are supposed to condemn the righteous and justify the wicked? Why would you disagree with a verse like that.

I wonder what the serpent in the garden would have said if that Proverb had existed and someone asked it about the verse. "Did God really say...?"
 
"NO COMPROMISE is what the whole GOSPEL OF JESUS is all about...In Matt 6:24 Jesus says, 'For I tell you...No Man can serve Two Masters...' In a day when Believers seem to be trying to PLEASE Both the WORLD and the LORD (which is an Impossible thing), when people are Far more Concerned about Offending their FRIENDS than Offending GOD, there is only ONE ANSWER... DENY YOURSELF, TAKE UP YOUR CROSS & FOLLOW HIM (JESUS)!" Luke 9:23-24 -

Keith Green

: "God hates the LUKEWARM GOSPEL OF HALF-TRUTHS that is now spreading over the Globe. This gospel says, 'Just believe in Jesus and you'll be Saved. There's nothing more to it.' It ignores the Whole Counsel of God, which speaks of Repenting from former Sins, of Taking up your Cross, of being conformed to the Image of Christ by the refining work of the Holy Spirit. It is totally silent about the Reality of Hell and an After-Death Judgment." -

David Wilkerson

I'm sorry, but a "gospel of half truths and compromise" is what you preach Jamie.