Waiting to see this.

[Robertt]

MAybe you have seen it in your life or part of the world.

Havent seen it yet.

For Jesus followers to reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of Him and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Where his followers are no longer infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.


I keep looking , hoping.

His kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven is what we pray for

 

[homwardbound]

MAybe you have seen it in your life or part of the world.

Havent seen it yet.

For Jesus followers to reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of Him and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Where his followers are no longer infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.


I keep looking , hoping.

His kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven is what we pray for

It, is here presently in the risen Son for us all to stand in belief to this truth in God forever for you, me and everyone else too. continue to believe God in risen Son, eventually you will see new in God for you and learn contentment from Father in all things good or bad happening presently and one then keeps moving forward in thanksgiving and praise to God for the done work of Son, that people are fighting over, not fathoming this truth, the Law of Moses is completed in Son once for us all to be new in God Father's Spirit snd truth by not quitting belief to Daddy personally, between Daddy and you. Col 1:21-23
Yet, not all seem to join in on Love and mercy given them by Daddy in Son for them to reconcile them as forgiven first we, the Elohim (Family of God Father and Son as Won (One)) love all now, yes, even those that have harmed us prior, because God loved us first in Son for us all to turn to trust Daddy forever in all things going on presently good or bad, at least to me, I now am even more thankful, and so simply do the same for all in trust to Daddy's Love of 1 Cor 13:4-7, 13 that can only get done through anyone, once it is imputed to them from God for them (imputed to the willing that do not stop being willing), those that will not quit belief, eventually see and are new and are learning new daily as continue to not quit, even as a Job did not quit. Then deeper in Jesus who went willingly to an ugly death once for us all. To give new life in his resurrected life. That is where the new life is at. No, frist born flesh can compute this, only Father can and does reveal it. So, will you continue no matter what, even unto death willingly?
That be between God and you personally, no one else, thanks for the post
Instead, man flesh has taken up their own crosses and try to fulfill, what is already fulfilled in the risen Jesus for them to be new in Father's, Daddy's, PaPa's Spirit and truth and are in troubles over it, not letting. go of the self attitudes of I got it and others do not, not good for my soul to get involved in any flesh work ever again, thanks

 

[Pilgrimshope]

MAybe you have seen it in your life or part of the world.

Havent seen it yet.

For Jesus followers to reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of Him and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Where his followers are no longer infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.


I keep looking , hoping.

His kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven is what we pray for

hardly anyone even agrees on what the doctrine is because of this

“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The church has been the focus nfultrates by fable and fantasy and the expression of what men want God to say and be like rather than who he presented himself to be on the gospel and what he said will save or condemn us

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

fonding a church group who agree on the same doctrine that Jesus taught in the gospel is where you see glimpses of what you long to see. But there are so many incorrect doctrines even heretical things that just flow through the church veins today as the apostles said would happen

 

[Cameron143]

MAybe you have seen it in your life or part of the world.

Havent seen it yet.

For Jesus followers to reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of Him and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Where his followers are no longer infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.


I keep looking , hoping.

His kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven is what we pray for

It's an excellent observation. A time will come when there is unity of the faith, but we are only tasked with maintaining unity. It is the Spirit who produces the unity. Perhaps the church is still in its infancy.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

MAybe you have seen it in your life or part of the world.

Havent seen it yet.

For Jesus followers to reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of Him and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Where his followers are no longer infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.

I keep looking , hoping.

His kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven is what we pray for

The gifts given by the Lord Jesus Christ (i.e. apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers] have been put in place to point to the Lord Jesus Christ and to help bring the unbeliever to believer ... and the believer from new born babe to maturity.

In any given gathering of believers, you will find unbelievers, new believers, maturing believers, elders.

So if you are looking for a church where every person is fully mature and no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness ... I'm not sure that is the reality in this lifetime.

We are tasked with ...

Ephesians 4:

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
.

 

[GWH]

MAybe you have seen it in your life or part of the world.

Havent seen it yet.

For Jesus followers to reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of Him and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Where his followers are no longer infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.


I keep looking , hoping.

His kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven is what we pray for

I have seen unity in churches I have attended, and I keep encouraging those whose gift seems to be disagreement to focus more on the essential Gospel and not be too dogmatic about secondary doctrines.

IMHO, unity regarding the secondary stuff is achievable via the systematic study of Scripture that is dialectical or seeks to harmonize all relevant statements in GW rather than settle for proof-texting. I am sponsoring two such studies on CC: one on Ephesians in the Systematic Bible Study thread and one on election in the Hermeneutics thread for those who want to participate, so I hope you will look at them.

 

[GWH]

The gifts given by the Lord Jesus Christ (i.e. apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers] have been put in place to point to the Lord Jesus Christ and to help bring the unbeliever to believer ... and the believer from new born babe to maturity.

In any given gathering of believers, you will find unbelievers, new believers, maturing believers, elders.

So if you are looking for a church where every person is fully mature and no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness ... I'm not sure that is the reality in this lifetime.

We are tasked with ...

Ephesians 4:

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
.

Good point, which I have shared thusly:

No one achieves moral perfection in this life (PHP 3:12), but no one who lacks divine love will reap eternal life with God (GL 6:7-8). Thus, a person who claims to be godly but who is behaving in an ungodly (unloving, untruthful) manner may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (PHP 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1CR 3:1-3, EPH 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1CR 6:9-11, EPH 5:8-9), or

d. a pseudo-Christian (MT 7:21, 1JN 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.

e. an apostate (1JN 2:19, HB 6:4-6), who once believed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith (1TM 1:19-20).

 

[Magenta]

I am not tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind
of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.

 

[lrs68]

If we are going to ever be brutally honest we already know that the majority of believers will never be united in doctrine. But there is a way where all believers can be united and there exists no animosity between anyone. That is during Repentance. I believe when the Church finally repents God will move like He did in the past.

I have studied Revivals from the 10th century to the last real Revivals of the 1970-80s. The one theme in every situation is that people came to repentance and the movement of God began. What worked in the past is guaranteed to work in the future. In fact, it's guaranteed to work any time repentance truly takes place.

 

[PaulThomson]

MAybe you have seen it in your life or part of the world.

Havent seen it yet.

For Jesus followers to reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of Him and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Where his followers are no longer infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.


I keep looking , hoping.

His kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven is what we pray for

When we are walking in the Holy Spirit, we experience it.

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

I think Christian unity will remain elusive till Jesus Returns. On the End Times alone no one can agree..

 

[homwardbound]

hardly anyone even agrees on what the doctrine is because of this

“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The church has been the focus nfultrates by fable and fantasy and the expression of what men want God to say and be like rather than who he presented himself to be on the gospel and what he said will save or condemn us

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

fonding a church group who agree on the same doctrine that Jesus taught in the gospel is where you see glimpses of what you long to see. But there are so many incorrect doctrines even heretical things that just flow through the church veins today as the apostles said would happen

The only Doctrine fro me is
Jesus went to willing death for us all to reconcile us all as forgiven, to belie e and see he is risen by God Father's approval
Accepted in the beloved, Eph 1:6
Forgiven in the beloved Eph 1:7

Eph 1:!3, Sealed to see it and grow new in it, with thanksgiving and praise from God Father and Son as Won for me and all the world. So to me I see to see Col 1:21-23
We are made as if are perfect from God Father through Son as risen, wow woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7, Ezekiel 36:26, Ps 100:4, 103:12
This si amazing ?Grace as John Newton wrote Amazing Grace after turning. to believe God in his rise Son for him, He was a Slave trader, who repented and stopped that garbage and became a person of God's Faith given him to be in love and mercy to all.
Thanks you Daddy and Son as One, Won for us all to be new in you too, thank you
Jesus + nothing, Father and Son are One yet two, like a physical marriage the two become one
The mystery of our savior Jesus revealed in risen Som, that only Daddy, Father, PaPa gives to each of his kids, So corning ur to do what is right no matter what and see through to the new life in Father's Spirit and Truth for us all
The deliverance comes form not ever giving up on trust to Father and Son as Won. This I see as many others see this too, without pride over it or guilt either anymore, sin taken away.
It is like sitting in the middle of a Teeter Totter watching everyone else going up and down daily on that Teeter Totter and wanting g to tell others, yet only in Father's timing the Holy Spirits lead

 

[Eli1]

“Unity” can come through forgiveness here and now when you have the Kingdom of God in you.

 

[homwardbound]

“Unity” can come through forgiveness here and now when you have the Kingdom of God in you.

Amazing to me as in Math
1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1 always = One
1x1+1+1+1 just adds more to the truth of God in it is done for us a to stand in as in Col 1:21-23 to me

 

[GaryA]

I think Christian unity will remain elusive till Jesus Returns. On the End Times alone no one can agree..

To a point, I think you are right; however, we should still strive for it and not give up...

("to the crowd")

There can still be "unity of the faith" where folks disagree on such things as eschatology. Folks just need to be reasonable about where they draw the line in the sand and forbid any fellowship with anyone on the other side of that line.

My faith is not in eschatology (It is just something I have spent a lot of time and focus studying.) - my faith is in God/Jesus.

My endeavor is to understand God's Truth by the Holy Spirit and promote its acceptance among believers and unbelievers alike.

And, yes - that is where disunity can occur - when folks comprehend the 'detail' of "what scripture says" differently than others [do].

However, the extent of disunity depends on the "just exactly how much someone needs to believe exactly as I do before I will have any fellowship with them" attitude that folks have sometimes.

I suggest that - in reality - there are "levels" of fellowship to be had - and that the level of fellowship that may be had is based on the willingness of folks to accept whatever is "common enough" between them and someone else.

A certain level of fellowship should always be had between born-again believers.

If that is all you have in common between you - celebrate the fact that both of you share a common believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The more you have in common - all the better!

The problem is that some folks are sometimes too insistent upon others being in full agreement with them about anything-and-everything before they will consider any reasonable level of fellowship with them at all. This is a pride-based problem.

This is where [true] "unity of the faith" comes into being real - it is based on the "common faith" and "common salvation":

Jude 1:

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Yes - there are things that matter (doctrine) that must be agreeable for really good fellowship to be had - such as in a local new testament church; however, in certain situations - like internet forums, for example - it is befitting that we be in agreement where the "common faith" and "common salvation" are concerned - and, not allow ourselves to bicker over things whereby the fellowship is broken or torn apart.

We should all "agree to disagree agreeably" - when/where necessary - for the sake of what might be accomplished if we stand together in the faith.

I suggest that most of the members of this site do not really understand or appreciate the real worth of having the ability to communicate with other Christians worldwide on this platform.

We should be ever aware of what possibilities exist to further the cause of Christ and utilize every forum on this site in the best way we can to do so.

What are we doing to minister to others? And, yes - a certain amount of this does happen on CC - and, that is good. But, how can we "raise the bar"...?

How can we make this site a much happier place to visit rather than allowing it to become the dumping grounds of trolls and disgruntled people?

And, how do we do this with the proper attitude and encouragement of members of the site rather than depending, expecting, and relying upon hard-hammer action by the site staff?

Do we not all have to start with self?

How can we better use the forums that are constantly bad-mouthed as being the most useless forums on CC?

While no doubt most of us visit one or more news outlet sites to gain a better understanding of what is going on in the world - let me tell you something - sometimes - the very first time I am made aware of "certain news stories" - it is in the CC news forum. I find this to be worthwhile.

So - don't knock it - make it better.

What can you do to make it better?

Each and every member has a part - let us all do our best to make sure we have done our best to make a positive difference...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The only Doctrine fro me is
Jesus went to willing death for us all to reconcile us all as forgiven, to belie e and see he is risen by God Father's approval
Accepted in the beloved, Eph 1:6
Forgiven in the beloved Eph 1:7

Eph 1:!3, Sealed to see it and grow new in it, with thanksgiving and praise from God Father and Son as Won for me and all the world. So to me I see to see Col 1:21-23
We are made as if are perfect from God Father through Son as risen, wow woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7, Ezekiel 36:26, Ps 100:4, 103:12
This si amazing ?Grace as John Newton wrote Amazing Grace after turning. to believe God in his rise Son for him, He was a Slave trader, who repented and stopped that garbage and became a person of God's Faith given him to be in love and mercy to all.
Thanks you Daddy and Son as One, Won for us all to be new in you too, thank you
Jesus + nothing, Father and Son are One yet two, like a physical marriage the two become one
The mystery of our savior Jesus revealed in risen Som, that only Daddy, Father, PaPa gives to each of his kids, So corning ur to do what is right no matter what and see through to the new life in Father's Spirit and Truth for us all
The deliverance comes form not ever giving up on trust to Father and Son as Won. This I see as many others see this too, without pride over it or guilt either anymore, sin taken away.
It is like sitting in the middle of a Teeter Totter watching everyone else going up and down daily on that Teeter Totter and wanting g to tell others, yet only in Father's timing the Holy Spirits lead

That leaves most of the doctrine Jesus gave us out

 

[SirSolaScriptura]

To a point, I think you are right; however, we should still strive for it and not give up...

("to the crowd")

There can still be "unity of the faith" where folks disagree on such things as eschatology. Folks just need to be reasonable about where they draw the line in the sand and forbid any fellowship with anyone on the other side of that line.

My faith is not in eschatology (It is just something I have spent a lot of time and focus studying.) - my faith is in God/Jesus.

My endeavor is to understand God's Truth by the Holy Spirit and promote its acceptance among believers and unbelievers alike.

And, yes - that is where disunity can occur - when folks comprehend the 'detail' of "what scripture says" differently than others [do].

However, the extent of disunity depends on the "just exactly how much someone needs to believe exactly as I do before I will have any fellowship with them" attitude that folks have sometimes.

I suggest that - in reality - there are "levels" of fellowship to be had - and that the level of fellowship that may be had is based on the willingness of folks to accept whatever is "common enough" between them and someone else.

A certain level of fellowship should always be had between born-again believers.

If that is all you have in common between you - celebrate the fact that both of you share a common believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The more you have in common - all the better!

The problem is that some folks are sometimes too insistent upon others being in full agreement with them about anything-and-everything before they will consider any reasonable level of fellowship with them at all. This is a pride-based problem.

This is where [true] "unity of the faith" comes into being real - it is based on the "common faith" and "common salvation":

Jude 1:

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Yes - there are things that matter (doctrine) that must be agreeable for really good fellowship to be had - such as in a local new testament church; however, in certain situations - like internet forums, for example - it is befitting that we be in agreement where the "common faith" and "common salvation" are concerned - and, not allow ourselves to bicker over things whereby the fellowship is broken or torn apart.

We should all "agree to disagree agreeably" - when/where necessary - for the sake of what might be accomplished if we stand together in the faith.

I suggest that most of the members of this site do not really understand or appreciate the real worth of having the ability to communicate with other Christians worldwide on this platform.

We should be ever aware of what possibilities exist to further the cause of Christ and utilize every forum on this site in the best way we can to do so.

What are we doing to minister to others? And, yes - a certain amount of this does happen on CC - and, that is good. But, how can we "raise the bar"...?

How can we make this site a much happier place to visit rather than allowing it to become the dumping grounds of trolls and disgruntled people?

And, how do we do this with the proper attitude and encouragement of members of the site rather than depending, expecting, and relying upon hard-hammer action by the site staff?

Do we not all have to start with self?

How can we better use the forums that are constantly bad-mouthed as being the most useless forums on CC?

While no doubt most of us visit one or more news outlet sites to gain a better understanding of what is going on in the world - let me tell you something - sometimes - the very first time I am made aware of "certain news stories" - it is in the CC news forum. I find this to be worthwhile.

So - don't knock it - make it better.

What can you do to make it better?

Each and every member has a part - let us all do our best to make sure we have done our best to make a positive difference...

Ecumenicalism is tricky business.. too often to be unified they throw out essentials, when the true ecumenical state me is "In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Libery, in All Things Love."
My issue is how can you achieve Unitas when many churches cannot agree on the essentials like "how one is saved."

 

[Fillan]

I think Christian unity will remain elusive till Jesus Returns. On the End Times alone no one can agree..

Yes. This sounds like unity to me:

Zechariah 14: 9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

God Bless You

 

[GWH]

To a point, I think you are right; however, we should still strive for it and not give up...

("to the crowd")

There can still be "unity of the faith" where folks disagree on such things as eschatology. Folks just need to be reasonable about where they draw the line in the sand and forbid any fellowship with anyone on the other side of that line.

My faith is not in eschatology (It is just something I have spent a lot of time and focus studying.) - my faith is in God/Jesus.

My endeavor is to understand God's Truth by the Holy Spirit and promote its acceptance among believers and unbelievers alike.

And, yes - that is where disunity can occur - when folks comprehend the 'detail' of "what scripture says" differently than others [do].

However, the extent of disunity depends on the "just exactly how much someone needs to believe exactly as I do before I will have any fellowship with them" attitude that folks have sometimes.

I suggest that - in reality - there are "levels" of fellowship to be had - and that the level of fellowship that may be had is based on the willingness of folks to accept whatever is "common enough" between them and someone else.

A certain level of fellowship should always be had between born-again believers.

If that is all you have in common between you - celebrate the fact that both of you share a common believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The more you have in common - all the better!

The problem is that some folks are sometimes too insistent upon others being in full agreement with them about anything-and-everything before they will consider any reasonable level of fellowship with them at all. This is a pride-based problem.

This is where [true] "unity of the faith" comes into being real - it is based on the "common faith" and "common salvation":

Jude 1:

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Yes - there are things that matter (doctrine) that must be agreeable for really good fellowship to be had - such as in a local new testament church; however, in certain situations - like internet forums, for example - it is befitting that we be in agreement where the "common faith" and "common salvation" are concerned - and, not allow ourselves to bicker over things whereby the fellowship is broken or torn apart.

We should all "agree to disagree agreeably" - when/where necessary - for the sake of what might be accomplished if we stand together in the faith.

I suggest that most of the members of this site do not really understand or appreciate the real worth of having the ability to communicate with other Christians worldwide on this platform.

We should be ever aware of what possibilities exist to further the cause of Christ and utilize every forum on this site in the best way we can to do so.

What are we doing to minister to others? And, yes - a certain amount of this does happen on CC - and, that is good. But, how can we "raise the bar"...?

How can we make this site a much happier place to visit rather than allowing it to become the dumping grounds of trolls and disgruntled people?

And, how do we do this with the proper attitude and encouragement of members of the site rather than depending, expecting, and relying upon hard-hammer action by the site staff?

Do we not all have to start with self?

How can we better use the forums that are constantly bad-mouthed as being the most useless forums on CC?

While no doubt most of us visit one or more news outlet sites to gain a better understanding of what is going on in the world - let me tell you something - sometimes - the very first time I am made aware of "certain news stories" - it is in the CC news forum. I find this to be worthwhile.

So - don't knock it - make it better.

What can you do to make it better?

Each and every member has a part - let us all do our best to make sure we have done our best to make a positive difference...

Excellent post that expresses the purpose of the Kerygma and Hermeneutics threads that I started, so I hope you will not mind if I quote you there, too. My view is that Christian fellowship is based primarily on the essential Gospel kerygma/GRFS, and only secondarily on didachaic doctrines such as eschatology beyond the future heaven and hell that salvation implies, as follows:


The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows (excuse the Scripture not in the "blue" format):

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4, EZK 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

 

[homwardbound]

To a point, I think you are right; however, we should still strive for it and not give up...

("to the crowd")

There can still be "unity of the faith" where folks disagree on such things as eschatology. Folks just need to be reasonable about where they draw the line in the sand and forbid any fellowship with anyone on the other side of that line.

My faith is not in eschatology (It is just something I have spent a lot of time and focus studying.) - my faith is in God/Jesus.

My endeavor is to understand God's Truth by the Holy Spirit and promote its acceptance among believers and unbelievers alike.

And, yes - that is where disunity can occur - when folks comprehend the 'detail' of "what scripture says" differently than others [do].

However, the extent of disunity depends on the "just exactly how much someone needs to believe exactly as I do before I will have any fellowship with them" attitude that folks have sometimes.

I suggest that - in reality - there are "levels" of fellowship to be had - and that the level of fellowship that may be had is based on the willingness of folks to accept whatever is "common enough" between them and someone else.

A certain level of fellowship should always be had between born-again believers.

If that is all you have in common between you - celebrate the fact that both of you share a common believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The more you have in common - all the better!

The problem is that some folks are sometimes too insistent upon others being in full agreement with them about anything-and-everything before they will consider any reasonable level of fellowship with them at all. This is a pride-based problem.

This is where [true] "unity of the faith" comes into being real - it is based on the "common faith" and "common salvation":

Jude 1:

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Yes - there are things that matter (doctrine) that must be agreeable for really good fellowship to be had - such as in a local new testament church; however, in certain situations - like internet forums, for example - it is befitting that we be in agreement where the "common faith" and "common salvation" are concerned - and, not allow ourselves to bicker over things whereby the fellowship is broken or torn apart.

We should all "agree to disagree agreeably" - when/where necessary - for the sake of what might be accomplished if we stand together in the faith.

I suggest that most of the members of this site do not really understand or appreciate the real worth of having the ability to communicate with other Christians worldwide on this platform.

We should be ever aware of what possibilities exist to further the cause of Christ and utilize every forum on this site in the best way we can to do so.

What are we doing to minister to others? And, yes - a certain amount of this does happen on CC - and, that is good. But, how can we "raise the bar"...?

How can we make this site a much happier place to visit rather than allowing it to become the dumping grounds of trolls and disgruntled people?

And, how do we do this with the proper attitude and encouragement of members of the site rather than depending, expecting, and relying upon hard-hammer action by the site staff?

Do we not all have to start with self?

How can we better use the forums that are constantly bad-mouthed as being the most useless forums on CC?

While no doubt most of us visit one or more news outlet sites to gain a better understanding of what is going on in the world - let me tell you something - sometimes - the very first time I am made aware of "certain news stories" - it is in the CC news forum. I find this to be worthwhile.

So - don't knock it - make it better.

What can you do to make it better?

Each and every member has a part - let us all do our best to make sure we have done our best to make a positive difference...

Problem
No one really believes God all in all. How many have conceded the self to see new from God to do the done work of Son through them? God knows, I don't, others think they know and in truth really do not know, only think they know. I am still in process to taking all thought captive too.

that be the problem, thinking, that many times turns into "Stinking thinking" been there, and this has for a long time not been easy to reconcile Back to God (2 Cor. 5:17-20) "I" am forgiven by God in Son for me, as is done for all others as well, that the forgiveness is done by Son (John 19:30, 1:29) on that cross for us all (1 John 2:1-27) to rest in, to trust God to lead us each in the same love and mercy given each, you think? I now think and am learning this amazing grace for us all, given to us all from God Father through risen Son Jesus. It is the risen Life I see where the new life in God's Spirit and Truth truly is. (John 4:23-24) The earth work is done by Son once for us all to be thankful in and then see new, at least begin to. I am learning daily, not repenting daily, learning daily after repented once to God in I need you God in risen Son to lead, not me anymore where fights and wars come from the fist born flesh nature.
Luke 21:14
Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:'
Luke 21:15
for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Truth from God

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R edemption
U nder
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H eaven

F orever
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M ountains

G ets
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D amages

God doing the work the done work of Son through one, anyone that will be willing to learn new from God above all else will see and be in humility too, thank you