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allaboutlove

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Gooooodearlymorning... an Godbless... my question is was it someone preaching Gods word to you that led you to christ or was it something else.... in my personal experiance it was seeing the love of God in others that led me to give my life to christ an then start studying the word.
 

notuptome

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Paul writes in Romans 10:14-17 that faith comes by hearing the word of God. We receive God's saving grace through faith. Eph 2:8-9 Romans 10:14 asks How shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? The Holy Spirit acting upon the word of God brings conviction of sin in the heart. He convinces men of the righteousness of Christ and warns of Gods terrible judgment upon sin. The Holy Spirit shows men they are lost and then reveals how they can obtain forgiveness for sin and receive the gift of eternal life. Without the preaching of Gods word none of this would be possible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

santuzza

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I was attending a church and regularly hearing the Word of God, but when it comes down to it, it was the Holy Spirit convicting me that I needed a Savior.
 
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enoch1nine

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Cursing the day I was born, at rock bottom, begging for destruction or salvation.
 

KohenMatt

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The sovereignty of God. Seeing how He was funneling every circumstance in my life to one thing and that was Him. And knowing that He was doing it because He wanted me.

Parents, have you ever wanted your child to go somewhere so you put your hand on the back of their head to try and navigate them to where you wanted them to God?

That was me.
And it worked.
And I'm forever grateful.
 

homwardbound

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Gooooodearlymorning... an Godbless... my question is was it someone preaching Gods word to you that led you to christ or was it something else.... in my personal experiance it was seeing the love of God in others that led me to give my life to christ an then start studying the word.
mine started early on, and amazingly being brought up in Church, never heard the word to be saved not in clarity.
But God is faithful and showed me early, even though I went my own way for years and learned a lot about what is not good and what is good for me.
My true growth started when I heard a man on the radio stating that all sins by God are forgiven back at the cross. Now I turned this station off in disgust, yet was urged to keep turning it back on.
So I called and said how can this be, we are to get more forgiveness if we sin again from God we are to ask for more.
That is when this man said back to me, I challenge you to go anywhere in the New Testament, after Christ's death and find anywhere that the Bible states we are to get more forgiveness after the death of Christ on the cross?
I immediately went to 1John 1:9, and I was asked where does it say to do what you agree with about Christ did come here in the flesh and that I , you and all others besides Christ were born with a flesh nature that sins is selfish.
And asked do you, (to me) believe that Christ came in the flesh, and that you (to me) have a propensity for selfishness, and have sinned against others because of this selfishness? I said yes.
So then I was said God has forgiven you this action from God it took place one time back at the death of Christ at the cross. Christ being the propitiation for all sins, and is our intercessor forever even if we do sin again.

So I went through out the entire word in all translations looking fro anyone in there to say that forgiveness from God is an ongoing event if one sins again after they believed God in God's amazing grace of total forgiveness.
I have not found this anywhere, anyone else?
So I concluded by God I am forgiven period, and I also concluded that this forgiveness is so amazing, that what about anyone that would take this for granted and use it for an occasion to use it for their flesh as one uses drinking for an excuse of their bad behavior. That is when I saw this below:
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
So in reverent fear to God the creator of all, I said Lord teach me truth, that sets me free, and not to take advantage of this amazing gift of love you have poured out onto this world.
And God has and is continuously teaching me, and all that will believe as God knows who do and who do not. Truth is not given by God to anyone with malice of any kind in , mind
 

allaboutlove

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mine started early on, and amazingly being brought up in Church, never heard the word to be saved not in clarity.
But God is faithful and showed me early, even though I went my own way for years and learned a lot about what is not good and what is good for me.
My true growth started when I heard a man on the radio stating that all sins by God are forgiven back at the cross. Now I turned this station off in disgust, yet was urged to keep turning it back on.
So I called and said how can this be, we are to get more forgiveness if we sin again from God we are to ask for more.
That is when this man said back to me, I challenge you to go anywhere in the New Testament, after Christ's death and find anywhere that the Bible states we are to get more forgiveness after the death of Christ on the cross?
I immediately went to 1John 1:9, and I was asked where does it say to do what you agree with about Christ did come here in the flesh and that I , you and all others besides Christ were born with a flesh nature that sins is selfish.
And asked do you, (to me) believe that Christ came in the flesh, and that you (to me) have a propensity for selfishness, and have sinned against others because of this selfishness? I said yes.
So then I was said God has forgiven you this action from God it took place one time back at the death of Christ at the cross. Christ being the propitiation for all sins, and is our intercessor forever even if we do sin again.

So I went through out the entire word in all translations looking fro anyone in there to say that forgiveness from God is an ongoing event if one sins again after they believed God in God's amazing grace of total forgiveness.
I have not found this anywhere, anyone else?
So I concluded by God I am forgiven period, and I also concluded that this forgiveness is so amazing, that what about anyone that would take this for granted and use it for an occasion to use it for their flesh as one uses drinking for an excuse of their bad behavior. That is when I saw this below:
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
So in reverent fear to God the creator of all, I said Lord teach me truth, that sets me free, and not to take advantage of this amazing gift of love you have poured out onto this world.
And God has and is continuously teaching me, and all that will believe as God knows who do and who do not. Truth is not given by God to anyone with malice of any kind in , mind
I dont wish to argue with you but if all sin was forgiven at tbe cross wouldnt that mean everyone went to heaven?
 
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I dont wish to argue with you but if all sin was forgiven at tbe cross wouldnt that mean everyone went to heaven?
If a grocery store lets anyone come and fill up a shopping cart for free on a certain day, do you get a free shopping cart full of food if you don't show up?
 

allaboutlove

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If a grocery store lets anyone come and fill up a shopping cart for free on a certain day, do you get a free shopping cart full of food if you don't show up?
No which is how forgivness works God gives it freely but we have to ask for it or go the store an get it but if the store just sent a cart full of food to everyone than you would get the food without going to get it an thats what all sin already being forgiven would be.
 

homwardbound

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I dont wish to argue with you but if all sin was forgiven at tbe cross wouldnt that mean everyone went to heaven?
no even though all are forgiven not one is ever saved in death, one is saved in life
Romans 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

The resurrection brought life in the Spirit of God
[h=3]Romans 6:4[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


See the difference, of death and life

Death to self is needed first, and that is done when one co-crucifies with Christ. Then new life is given from God to those that believe in order for them to see truth as truth is:

[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— [SUP]23 [/SUP]if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.


2 Corinthians 5:18
Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,

Reconciliation is forgiveness, and it is what God has done, no matter what anyone else wants to say, there are way too many scriptures that say this fact.
 

notuptome

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Romans 7:7 Paul states that he had not know sin until he read the law. Many outside the church do not see themselves as God see them. Most men rationalize their sinfulness. I'm not as bad as the next guy so God will judge me on a sliding scale. This of course is not how God operates. There is a way that seems right to men but the end thereof is death.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

homwardbound

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No which is how forgivness works God gives it freely but we have to ask for it or go the store an get it but if the store just sent a cart full of food to everyone than you would get the food without going to get it an thats what all sin already being forgiven would be.
No God sent the Holy Spirit to come and liver in you if you believe to teach you all truth that sets you free, starting with you are forgiven so then in response be reconciled to God since God is reconciled to you
2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
 

homwardbound

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does this mean then that we just ignore this amazing salvation and just go out and harm others? No God forbid, rather for you to be thankful so deep that you can't harm others in appreciation
 
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No which is how forgivness works God gives it freely but we have to ask for it or go the store an get it but if the store just sent a cart full of food to everyone than you would get the food without going to get it an thats what all sin already being forgiven would be.
Well look at it this way... the price paid is sufficient for all sin. Whether someone comes to the store to pick up their blessing, or not, is another matter. I think when people say all sins are forgiven, this is what they really mean.
 

allaboutlove

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Well look at it this way... the price paid is sufficient for all sin. Whethner someone comes to the store to pick up their blessing, or not, is another matter. I think when people say all sins are forgiven, this is what they really mean.
That i agree with the price has already been paid it is just up to us to get it... anyway thanks for all replys to the op an to me question hope for more Godbless an much love.
 

crossnote

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Gooooodearlymorning... an Godbless... my question is was it someone preaching Gods word to you that led you to christ or was it something else.... in my personal experiance it was seeing the love of God in others that led me to give my life to christ an then start studying the word.
I was at a point I just didn't trust people. I had brushes with cults who shower you with 'love' ...at least initially only to fall deeper and deeper into deception. No, it took the Word in various ways...image, spoken, written, a couple of close encounters of the heavenly kind etc
 
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euroclydon

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Like many others, I was raised in church, and heard the bible daily as the 'church' presented it'. That was sufficient to procure for me eternal life.

But I was defined (just as most are) by what I had read and heard, from parents, Sunday School teachers, deacons, elders, family, preachers, prophets, priests, televangelists, Billy Graham, television, radio, friends, books, taped sermons and so much more. So that I was, in the final analysis, a horrid mass of error, self-reflexive deception, and misperception. And even at that, I had found a home in a denominational church, and had managed to obtain a successful ministry.

At the age of 25 I recognized my sad state. And came to that realization by reading God's Word. When what you are doesn't come up to the Word of God, it is time to wipe the slate clean, remove yourself from all organized religion, and seek God without ceasing through His Word. Then God, who very much wishes to do so, can write upon your clean slate all the wonder and glory that is Him, dwelling in us through His Holy Spirit.

I developed then (38 years ago) a discipline which I have pursued to this day. And it is to read and study, the entirety of the New Testament (following Old Testament references as well), over the course of a 13 day cycle (I rest the 14th day, a Sunday), then repeat. I've now repeated that 'cycle' 989 times, and am so far removed from what I was then as to boggle my mind daily. I live and breathe with a constant sense of amazement, for I've never studied this Word without having received something new, something living, something incredible as a result of my labors.

So yes, it is God's Word, always and only God's Word, for it is His Word that promises us the Holy Spirit will guide us into 'all truth'. Yes, that's a miracle, but no less so than our salvation, our healing, our very breathing through the life giving Spirit of God.
 
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I dont wish to argue with you but if all sin was forgiven at tbe cross wouldnt that mean everyone went to heaven?
Hello allaboutlove

let me try and use a discription by comparison.

lets say someone is in a prison cell and this prison cell has a name....sin. this person is condemned to death and there is no way out unless someone pays for them to get out of that situation.

the person in that situation calls for help and someone comes to the cell and unlocks the cell.Now you have been freed,the cell (called sin) has been opened for the person.but they are not free until they believe that the cell is unlocked;and by faith they have to do their part and get up and go over there and open the door.

that person is now free.sin was paid for by the blood of JESUS.sin is no longer the issue.the issue now is faith. Does the person have faith in the blood,that was shed for us.
 

notuptome

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I dont wish to argue with you but if all sin was forgiven at tbe cross wouldnt that mean everyone went to heaven?
That would be universalism. We know from the scriptures that some perish. Yet we know that Christ died for the sins of the whole world. Here we have the sufficiency of the blood of Christ to atone for every sin. This is grace, wholly sufficient to save even the vilest of sinners. Now this is balanced with the free will of man. God though sovereign does not force men to be saved. Man received the ability to know good and evil in the garden. That knowledge compels man to choose salvation or condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger