On what biblical basis do you assert this? It sounds like universalism.No, he was not saved at that time, but he will have a chance to repent when he is resurrected to a physical state again.
On what biblical basis do you assert this? It sounds like universalism.No, he was not saved at that time, but he will have a chance to repent when he is resurrected to a physical state again.
But saying that the Bible shows one God in three "Persons" is not a maths test. Besides, even when talking about earthly things, we sometimes say that several things together make a single whole. For example, in music, a string quartet consists of two violinists, a viola player and a cellist - four musicians in one quartet, but nobody accuses musicians who talk about one quartet having four players of going against mathematics.I just want to emphasize this:
The Lord Jesus said, "I have spoken to you about earthly things so that you may better understand heavenly things."
JOHN 3:12
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
When it comes to earthly matters, if you answer your math teacher that 3 equals 1, you will fail the subject.
Therefore, if someone says that 3 equals 1 in heavenly matters, the Lord Jesus would not accept it.
For the Lord Jesus will never contradict what He Himself declared to the Apostle John in John 3:12.
That is why He had it written by the Apostle John, to serve as a basis or standard for understanding.
The belief that one God has three Persons cannot be true. If this were the case, then the writings of the Apostle John could not be upheld.But saying that the Bible shows one God in three "Persons" is not a maths test. Besides, even when talking about earthly things, we sometimes say that several things together make a single whole. For example, in music, a string quartet consists of two violinists, a viola player and a cellist - four musicians in one quartet, but nobody accuses musicians who talk about one quartet having four players of going against mathematics.
Do you realize that the quartet you mentioned is a group of four musicians? How can you use that as a basis for truth? If that analogy is valid, can the Trinity as you are saying then be described as a group of gods?But saying that the Bible shows one God in three "Persons" is not a maths test. Besides, even when talking about earthly things, we sometimes say that several things together make a single whole. For example, in music, a string quartet consists of two violinists, a viola player and a cellist - four musicians in one quartet, but nobody accuses musicians who talk about one quartet having four players of going against mathematics.
You also claim that truth is established by what is written in the Holy Scriptures.But saying that the Bible shows one God in three "Persons" is not a maths test. Besides, even when talking about earthly things, we sometimes say that several things together make a single whole. For example, in music, a string quartet consists of two violinists, a viola player and a cellist - four musicians in one quartet, but nobody accuses musicians who talk about one quartet having four players of going against mathematics.
It’s a literal throne. This passage doesn’t contradict the doctrine of the Trinity at all.The belief that one God has three Persons cannot be true. If this were the case, then the writings of the Apostle John could not be upheld.
REVELATION 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Do you realize that the one throne mentioned by John is not a literal throne? Instead, the throne symbolizes God's sovereign authority and power. Therefore, who is the one true God speaking from that throne, full of authority and power?
You sound like a Moslem.You also claim that truth is established by what is written in the Holy Scriptures.
So where in the Holy Scriptures can the word 'Trinity' be found?
Have you investigated the true origin of the term 'Trinity' before concluding that it represents the truth?
Not "one God has three Persons" but the one true God exists s three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You agree that the Father is God. John opens his gospel by saying that Jesus Christ, the Son, is God:The belief that one God has three Persons cannot be true. If this were the case, then the writings of the Apostle John could not be upheld.
REVELATION 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Do you realize that the one throne mentioned by John is not a literal throne? Instead, the throne symbolizes God's sovereign authority and power. Therefore, who is the one true God speaking from that throne, full of authority and power?
Not "one God has three Persons" but the one true God exists s three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You agree that the Father is God. John opens his gospel by saying that Jesus Christ, the Son, is God:
(Joh 1:1-3 & 14 NKJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
When Peter speaks to Ananias, in Acts 5, he shows that the Holy Spirit is God:
(Act 5:3-4 NKJV) But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
That goes against what John wrote in John 1:1-3 & 14.The truth is that Jesus, in his role as Son of God, is not God.
Because Jesus, in His role as the Son of God, has no knowledge of certain things.
JOHN 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
That is heresy.The truth is that Jesus, in his role as Son of God, is not God.
Be careful, most statements about the divinity or lack thereof regarding Jesus have been declared heretical at one time or another.That is heresy.
Continue with your heresy, and you will be reported and banned.
Discussing the divinity of Jesus Christ is acceptable. Denying the divinity of Jesus Christ is heretical.Be careful, most statements about the divinity or lack thereof regarding Jesus have been declared heretical at one time or another.
Actually, there have been multiple church councils that did just that and decreed Jesus fully human, not divine. Church history is messy.Discussing the divinity of Jesus Christ is acceptable. Denying the divinity of Jesus Christ is heretical.
Should “Godsgood” persist with his heresy, the Moderator will be informed and will decide.
Nevertheless, the decision in this case belongs to the Moderator.Actually, there have been multiple church councils that did just that and decreed Jesus fully human, not divine. Church history is messy.
Isn’t it possible that Jesus made this general-truth statement to the group while knowing one of them was an anomaly to whom His statement didn’t apply?He was saved, we know because Jesus said his name was in the book of life:
Luke 10:17-20
The seventy-two returned [Judas is one of these 72] with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
It is clear that your understanding of the Lord Jesus comes only from human teaching. That is contrary to the truth, because the true knowledge of the Lord Jesus must come from God, not from man (Matthew 16:15–17).That goes against what John wrote in John 1:1-3 & 14.
Not "one God has three Persons" but the one true God exists s three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You agree that the Father is God. John opens his gospel by saying that Jesus Christ, the Son, is God:Not "one God has three Persons" but the one true God exists s three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You agree that the Father is God. John opens his gospel by saying that Jesus Christ, the Son, is God:
(Joh 1:1-3 & 14 NKJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
When Peter speaks to Ananias, in Acts 5, he shows that the Holy Spirit is God:
(Act 5:3-4 NKJV) But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."