Was Judas Iscariot saved?

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MOC

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Judas Iscariot maybe the most despised person in human history. Did the New Testament writers have such a disdain for him that they always listed him last when naming the disciples? In many of the early century writings about Judas, shows a very high level of contempt for him. Church leaders and biblical scholars have labeled him some sort of misfit, who was a living definition of disaster. Judas' brand is "betrayal," and will always be thought as such for the rest of human history. Was he saved?
There is no doubt God had a righteous reason for all that he did with reference to Judas, but it isn't quite revealed to us in scripture. In John 17:12, Judas Iscariot is referred to as the "son of perdition," which means, man doomed to destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 also mentions the "son of perdition" but in context its talking about the antichrist. The fact that Judas is mentioned by Jesus as the "son of perdition" and that the antichrist is mentioned in the same manner, speaks volumes to the heart of Judas.

John 6:70 Jesus said, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" Our Lord Jesus called Judas a devil. The word is not "demon" but "devil"(diabolos). Apart from Satan, Judas is the only one to have this term applied to him in scripture.

Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain." Judas was part of this "counsel" and "wicked hands." Its obvious before Jesus was captured that Judas' heart was wicked, but what about afterwards? Did Judas repent?

Matthew 27:3-5 "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood, and they said, what is that to us? See thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Did Judas repent and become a believer? The word "repented" in the verse above, means remorseful, from the Greek word "metameleoma", which means "to regret". So this is different from repentance to salvation. Judas may have regretted what he did to Jesus, but he did not truly repent. Judas betrays innocent blood for money, feel guilty, returns the money, and commits suicide. These could be actions of a guilty conscience, not a forgiven and regenerate one.

Judas followed the same Jesus as the other disciples. For three years he saw the same miracles, heard the same teachings, and was a part of the same ministries as all the others. Yet he did not become what the other disciples became. Judas looks as though he became the very opposite. He became Satan's tool. Judas is called the "son of perdition," which implies that of a person that is in an unredeemable state. Forgiveness may not have been planned for Judas and that Jesus knew his heart beforehand. Judas said, "I have sinned. I have betrayed the innocent blood." Many claim by this statement that Judas repented and believed, therefore he was saved. But did he really know Jesus? Could Judas be one of those that comes to Jesus at judgement and Jesus says, "I never knew you: depart from me." In Acts 1:25 when Judas fell, "might go to his own place." Where is his own place? Is it separated from the saved?

Whatever Judas' character was at the beginning of Jesus' ministry gradually became a wicked man who betrayed Jesus. Greed, ambition, and worldliness most likely crept into his heart, and became blinded of Jesus' Deity. Judas could be the greatest example of lost opportunity.
 

bluto

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Well, according to Acts 1:25, "to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." The Apostles recognized that Judas fell away by his own choice and by his deliberate, rebellious sinning. He went to his own place, that is, the place he had chosen, the place of punishment. Even according to Jesus Himself at John 17:12, says of Judas, "that all his disciples, none has been lost except the "son of perdition," that is the "son of hell."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

Magenta

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Judas was the only apostle that Jesus called "Friend".
No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have
called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you. John 15:15
 

Magenta

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Did Judas repent and become a believer?
From John 6:64 ~ There are some among you who don’t believe. (For Jesus knew from
the beginning those who would not believe and the one who would betray Him.)


2 Corinthians 7:10
:)
 

Burn1986

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Judas Iscariot maybe the most despised person in human history. Did the New Testament writers have such a disdain for him that they always listed him last when naming the disciples? In many of the early century writings about Judas, shows a very high level of contempt for him. Church leaders and biblical scholars have labeled him some sort of misfit, who was a living definition of disaster. Judas' brand is "betrayal," and will always be thought as such for the rest of human history. Was he saved?
There is no doubt God had a righteous reason for all that he did with reference to Judas, but it isn't quite revealed to us in scripture. In John 17:12, Judas Iscariot is referred to as the "son of perdition," which means, man doomed to destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 also mentions the "son of perdition" but in context its talking about the antichrist. The fact that Judas is mentioned by Jesus as the "son of perdition" and that the antichrist is mentioned in the same manner, speaks volumes to the heart of Judas.

John 6:70 Jesus said, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" Our Lord Jesus called Judas a devil. The word is not "demon" but "devil"(diabolos). Apart from Satan, Judas is the only one to have this term applied to him in scripture.

Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain." Judas was part of this "counsel" and "wicked hands." Its obvious before Jesus was captured that Judas' heart was wicked, but what about afterwards? Did Judas repent?

Matthew 27:3-5 "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood, and they said, what is that to us? See thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Did Judas repent and become a believer? The word "repented" in the verse above, means remorseful, from the Greek word "metameleoma", which means "to regret". So this is different from repentance to salvation. Judas may have regretted what he did to Jesus, but he did not truly repent. Judas betrays innocent blood for money, feel guilty, returns the money, and commits suicide. These could be actions of a guilty conscience, not a forgiven and regenerate one.

Judas followed the same Jesus as the other disciples. For three years he saw the same miracles, heard the same teachings, and was a part of the same ministries as all the others. Yet he did not become what the other disciples became. Judas looks as though he became the very opposite. He became Satan's tool. Judas is called the "son of perdition," which implies that of a person that is in an unredeemable state. Forgiveness may not have been planned for Judas and that Jesus knew his heart beforehand. Judas said, "I have sinned. I have betrayed the innocent blood." Many claim by this statement that Judas repented and believed, therefore he was saved. But did he really know Jesus? Could Judas be one of those that comes to Jesus at judgement and Jesus says, "I never knew you: depart from me." In Acts 1:25 when Judas fell, "might go to his own place." Where is his own place? Is it separated from the saved?

Whatever Judas' character was at the beginning of Jesus' ministry gradually became a wicked man who betrayed Jesus. Greed, ambition, and worldliness most likely crept into his heart, and became blinded of Jesus' Deity. Judas could be the greatest example of lost opportunity.
Sounds like you answered your own question. 😎
 

Cameron143

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I believe that Judas was the only one that was singled out to be called "Friend", the rest Jesus called friends as a group and not by individuals.
When my father was having a serious talk with one or more of his children he would call them "friend". You didn't really want to be his "friend". It would have been humorous to dismiss myself because I considered myself merely an associate and not actually a friend, but it would not have been prudent.
 

Gideon300

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Judas was the only apostle that Jesus called "Friend".
Jesus was called the Friend of sinners and so He was. But Judas was also the one that Jesus described as the son of destruction (KJV "perdition") and also as lost, and that according to scripture. (John 17:12, John 13:18).
 

Gideon300

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Judas Iscariot maybe the most despised person in human history. Did the New Testament writers have such a disdain for him that they always listed him last when naming the disciples? In many of the early century writings about Judas, shows a very high level of contempt for him. Church leaders and biblical scholars have labeled him some sort of misfit, who was a living definition of disaster. Judas' brand is "betrayal," and will always be thought as such for the rest of human history. Was he saved?
There is no doubt God had a righteous reason for all that he did with reference to Judas, but it isn't quite revealed to us in scripture. In John 17:12, Judas Iscariot is referred to as the "son of perdition," which means, man doomed to destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 also mentions the "son of perdition" but in context its talking about the antichrist. The fact that Judas is mentioned by Jesus as the "son of perdition" and that the antichrist is mentioned in the same manner, speaks volumes to the heart of Judas.

John 6:70 Jesus said, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" Our Lord Jesus called Judas a devil. The word is not "demon" but "devil"(diabolos). Apart from Satan, Judas is the only one to have this term applied to him in scripture.

Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain." Judas was part of this "counsel" and "wicked hands." Its obvious before Jesus was captured that Judas' heart was wicked, but what about afterwards? Did Judas repent?

Matthew 27:3-5 "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood, and they said, what is that to us? See thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Did Judas repent and become a believer? The word "repented" in the verse above, means remorseful, from the Greek word "metameleoma", which means "to regret". So this is different from repentance to salvation. Judas may have regretted what he did to Jesus, but he did not truly repent. Judas betrays innocent blood for money, feel guilty, returns the money, and commits suicide. These could be actions of a guilty conscience, not a forgiven and regenerate one.

Judas followed the same Jesus as the other disciples. For three years he saw the same miracles, heard the same teachings, and was a part of the same ministries as all the others. Yet he did not become what the other disciples became. Judas looks as though he became the very opposite. He became Satan's tool. Judas is called the "son of perdition," which implies that of a person that is in an unredeemable state. Forgiveness may not have been planned for Judas and that Jesus knew his heart beforehand. Judas said, "I have sinned. I have betrayed the innocent blood." Many claim by this statement that Judas repented and believed, therefore he was saved. But did he really know Jesus? Could Judas be one of those that comes to Jesus at judgement and Jesus says, "I never knew you: depart from me." In Acts 1:25 when Judas fell, "might go to his own place." Where is his own place? Is it separated from the saved?

Whatever Judas' character was at the beginning of Jesus' ministry gradually became a wicked man who betrayed Jesus. Greed, ambition, and worldliness most likely crept into his heart, and became blinded of Jesus' Deity. Judas could be the greatest example of lost opportunity.
Jesus was called the Friend of sinners and so He was. But Judas was also the one that Jesus described as the son of destruction (KJV "perdition") and also as lost, and that according to scripture. (John 17:12, John 13:18).
 

Magenta

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Jesus was called the Friend of sinners and so He was. But Judas was also the one that Jesus described as the
son of destruction (KJV "perdition") and also as lost, and that according to scripture. (John 17:12, John 13:18).
And unclean, and a devil...
 

Magenta

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All in all, the OP does have a point. Judas was a tricky case. I’m gonna say that No, he did not go to Heaven.
The "trick" is in exposing whether you believe one can lose their salvation or not...

Because that is the claim some make using Judas as an example.
 
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11 of the 12 disciples were from Galilee along with Jesus, all of which being israelites

Judas Iscariot is a mistranslation as he was called Judas ish Kerioth or Judas “man of Kerioth”

Kerioth was a city in southern Judea on the border of Edom, in the 2nd century BC Edom was conquered by John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted the edomites to judaism

These Edomite Jew proselytes lived in the town of Kerioth, Judas Iscariot was one of them

i posted before that Judas was the embodiment of the “wheat and tare” parable, the wheat and the tares grow together until the day of judgement, the gospel is what seperates them, Judas was an edomite, a descendant of esau, Herod and many of the high priest during Jesus ministry were also edomite jew proselytes,

judas and all of the children of esau are vessels fit for destruction, they are twice dead
they do not hear the words of jesus because they are not his sheep