Was Judas Iscariot saved?
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My apologies Cameron! I am not sure how that happened but it was obviously
a mistake I made somewhere along the way, as I had meant to quote this:
Jesus was no mere mortal. I believe what Jesus said over your inability to understand His meaning.
Judas' "repentance" was an example of a worldly sorrow that leads to death. On the other hand, Peter is an example of godly sorrow that leads to (true) repentance. Judas didn't seem to believe in God's grace, since he obviously didn't forgive himself but attempted to 'make himself right' by destroying himself. Why would he have done such a thing? I'd say it was pride. He couldn't stand the thought that he had failed. And what kept Peter from the same fate? I'd say it was humility. He was grounded in reality enough to understand his propensity for failure, although it grieved him no less. Peter almost did the same as Judas, short of hanging himself. He went back to finish the rest of his days casting nets, until Jesus directed the others to go and fetch him. Might Jesus have directed them to go and fetch Judas if he would have just 'gave up' his discipleship? It may be, only at this point, that speculation is useless.
Why this question? Will Sodom and Gomorrah be resurrected? Will Adam come back? Useless. Waste of time. I trust in one thing - that is Jesus as our Judge. Why should I think about this. It does not mean that its not interesting - but there is no answer you can give that would be 100% sure.
I will not judge Judas as not being saved by God, why?
Because God loves us all, in that while we all have been sinners, we have the chance to turn from evil and all that was before wiped out instantly
Judas might have repented and might not have. God is the one that knows, not me and I see to not go into the mysteries of God to proclaim anyone else saved or not saved.
There is evidence of repentance. That to me, is something. As I see, Judas in Spirit prison back then, held captive in Spirit prison, where Jesus went not long after Judas killed himself. I, see Judas as a witness to Jesus the Messiah, to those there held in Spirit prison back then.
Right or wrong, this is what I hear in God's Spirit in God's love and mercy to us all.
Anyways, whether saved or not, matters not.
The important ? is are you, you, me and others saved yet too. Are we passed from death to life in the risen Life of Jesus given to us from Father yet? Or are we stuck in forgiveness, trying to stay forgiven when by God in Son that is done for us (John 19:30) to be given the risen Life to be led by? one gets this in asking God, if one does not ask amiss to spend it on their own pleasures
Full Gospel message
G-ods
O-nly
S-ons
P-urpose
E-ternal
L-ife
Christ is risen, where the new life offered is at. The death had to be done first in reconciliation, for us the people to be given the new life offered more abundantly. Therefore, be dead to self first birth and alive to God in the risen Son please, called the second birth born again, Thank you
It is done, whatever is done, whatever motive anyone has or did have back then. No matter what
Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, you can't put it back in. I stand in this quote from God is not dead the movie
"God is good all the time as good is God all the time"
God is not flesh, see it in Jesus, who went to the cross without any flesh fight and willingly died, to be risen by Farther for all to see it and become new in belief to "God is good all the time as good is God all the time"
God Son, revealed in his being risen back to life by his Father, he has won
With the art of "fighting without fighting" Love won over evil
- Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Romans 12:21 - Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
The best takeaway, imo, from the comparison of Judas and Peter, is that Peter failed, not just one but thrree times! And Jesus, after calling Peter back to him, took special care to heal Peter of the pain in each case asking three times, "Peter, do you love me?" from which Peter declared, "Lord, you know that I love you." (And scripture tells us that we love Him because He first loved us and so, in helping Peter to meditate on his love for Jesus, the Lord, as I suppose, reminded Peter of this reality of this exact Word of Christ that He'd given to [et. al].) So, I would insert the spirit within Peter's answer to include, "Lord, You know that I love you [because (now) I know that You first loved me]."
Agree 100%
Statements made at one point in time, which are idiomatic, are not proof text of the entire mind or actions of God on the matter.
isn’t Jesus the Lord the judge ? Who said he is lost according to scripture ? I don’t think it’s judgemental to accept the judges judgement . And I certainly wouldn’t want to deny his judgement and make up my own
“But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table. And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed! And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.”
Luke 22:21-23
“The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.”
Matthew 26:24
“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”
John 17:12
God does love all people this doesn’t mean everyone’s going to be saved Judas destroyed himself God foresaw it from the beginning and also foretold his end
Jesus answered for us but people deny this as if His meanig cannot be understood.
Yes, as to what we have as written and interpreted by man, is what we have.
However, my hope is for all, includes Judas, thanks for then exhortation as if I sm to judge it
Whatever one looses on earth, will be loosed in Heaven. I will stand in trust to God over it all. As many, I see will not be in, that people, think will be.
God and the person know this truth between God and them, not people and them
- Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
This is known to each person,n as true or not
Romans 2:1
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Romans 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 2:16
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
I see to not Judge anyone, that is my Father's Job, thanks, hoping the best for everyone
God's Love:
If the premise here is that God is only sweet and gentle, and never harsh... that is anti-biblical.
A.) The Bible clearly states, over and over, that God also decrees judgement and wrath.
B.) Christ himself spoke more of hell than heaven.
C.) The nature of God's perfect love is that it intrinsically REQUIRES JUSTICE, which often results in the sincerest forms of judgement and wrath.
Evil & Good:
This thread is inching closer and closer to the very edge of absurdity.
It's surprising to see people defending Judas Iscariot, while denigrating Peter.
Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;"
Proverbs 24:24 "He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:"
Judgement:
A.) If we claim we cannot judge a wicked man's actions... then we don't understand the scriptures regarding judgement and discernment.
B.) We've had many threads on this topic, and many people here have explained these things over and over.
C.) We are commanded to discern things, and we quite literally "judge" and "discern" right and wrong, all day long, continually, in each of our lives, and in all the things we see around us. To claim otherwise is either disingenuous or lacking introspection.
Sometimes nice people, because of poor teaching, or lack of carefulness, make very strange claims.
Defending one of the most wicked men who've ever lived... that is not only strange, it is dangerous.
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What I posted is in the book of Mathew where Jesus calls Judas "Friend". Any other time he would address a group as friends but did not single out any particular apostle. He did call Peter "Satan" once. I think that is in the book of John.
The word "friend" was spoken to Judas while he was being POSSESSED BY SATAN, and while he was in the VERY ACT OF BETRAYAL.
This wasn't some kind of compliment, or some exalted title.
This was spoken in the midst of the most fiendish act in history, by a man possessed by Satan himself.
We always need to carefully examine the context... to determine WHY words are said.
This wasn't a compliment.
This was a statement to call attention, in the greatest way, to the EXTREME LEVEL OF BETRAYAL: to call him friend in the midst of the most extreme betrayal in human history was to point out the extreme level of his sin... this was essentially a judgement.
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Based on the circumstances seems to be an odd choice of word that Jesus choose to use. Why not just call him Satan as he did with Peter.
For the record though, I have not offered an opinion on why Jesus chose that word "Friend" but rather only pointing out what seemed to me to be a very odd choice of word in consideration of the situation.
I appreciate your analysis.