Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?

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Did you even read the post to which southernf responded? Or did you just jump in, make assumptions, and start swinging blindly?
I read it. The person showed utter disdain for the Principal Ancestor of the mankind race.
 

Dino246

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I read it. The person showed utter disdain for the Principal Ancestor of the mankind race.
No she did not. Not even a little. Perhaps you need to study further how the English language works.

As for your exaltation of Adam, get your head straight; the only man who warrants exaltation is Jesus Christ.
 
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No she did not. Not even a little. Perhaps you need to study further how the English language works.

As for your exaltation of Adam, get your head straight; the only man who warrants exaltation is Jesus Christ.
Father Adam, is not exhalted by me, but by the service he did for Mankind.
 
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I didn't know what that was until now. Um, sure. Are you saying that is a bad thing? To have a reason for evolution and allow the Bible to be true?
I know some modern day Jewish leaders hold to this idea. For them, it explains another period of skeletal remains that have Biologically been used as evidence towards evolution. And let's face it, the truest translation we have within all copies of Bibles is the translated [Torah of the Tanakh]. And the way it's properly translated, Genesis 1:1 In the Beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The actual translation in Hebrew reads: Verse 1 is telling us this is an already populated earth with people before we ever get to the creation of Adam.
 

Dino246

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Father Adam, is not exhalted by me, but by the service he did for Mankind.
You are the one exalting Adam. People may be exalted for their actions, but not by their actions. Actions don't exalt anyone. Again, it seems that your understanding of English is inadequate.

As for Adam, I find it disturbing that you think someone worthy of exaltation for being the first sinner, and causing death to every subsequent human. That's wacky, dude.
 
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You are the one exalting Adam. People may be exalted for their actions, but not by their actions. Actions don't exalt anyone. Again, it seems that your understanding of English is inadequate.

As for Adam, I find it disturbing that you think someone worthy of exaltation for being the first sinner, and causing death to every subsequent human. That's wacky, dude.
Father Adam, is the Principal Ancestor of the Mankind Race. You seem to hate him as well. Truly, the church has rejected Adam.

here is a question for the wise. How can someone sin, if they have not yet fallen to have the nature where sin is possible?
 
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Whatever. Your exaltation of Adam is silly.
How can I exhault someone that was given the mission of Creation by the GOD HIMSELF? Whose Physical body was coupled by HIS Most Holy Hands? How then can I be the one to exhault him?
 

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So, was Eden temporary Heaven on Earth?

If we won't be physical in Heaven could we be structured in God's imagination in a different way?
Is heaven temporary ?

glorified bodies can appear as both move between heaven and earth there are several examples of this in the ot but looking at christs glorified existence on earth though short we see something that can add understanding

spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh . This is what we are now we are a living spirit in a body of flesh . When we die we leave the flesh behind but we have a promosed spiritual body or in another term a glorified heavenly body

it’s not that the resurrected body is imaterial but it’s glorified

For instance after Jesus was resurrected , the disciples were in a closed room and suddenly Jesus appeared before them then went away . He ate fish with them ,and invited Thomas to touch him. He was showing them that he was very much still
Material yet he appeared and disappeared and eventually raised up and disappeared from thoer sight and was taken into heaven I’ll add some scripture to make sense of what I’m saying later when I can

it’s not that spiritual body is immaterial , it is beyond the phase of mortality so it is not limited by material I have a lot of thoughts regarding ot appearances by heavenly beings as men I’ll try to get back to add scripture because that’s actually what moves thoughts around rather than our views
 
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To me everything is perfectly clear in Genesis:

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

This is why I think any other "human ancestors" that people talk about fall into every other creeping thing. I'm not saying these other creatures aren't important because God had a purpose in creating them. I just think they were beneath man because God specifically created man. I'm totally open to corrections if I've missed something.
 

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How can I exhault someone that was given the mission of Creation by the GOD HIMSELF? Whose Physical body was coupled by HIS Most Holy Hands? How then can I be the one to exhault him?
Go and read the dictionary entry for "exalt"... and note the spelling while you're at it. Then read Genesis 1 and 2 to learn Who did the creating. Hint: it wasn't Adam.
 
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Go and read the dictionary entry for "exalt"... and note the spelling while you're at it. Then read Genesis 1 and 2 to learn Who did the creating. Hint: it wasn't Adam.
I cannot Exalt someone who GOD gave a mission to. Its very simple. I am simply acknowledging him for his work that he did for us.
Secondly, GOD made Man. Then HE told Man, Adam, to be fruitful and mutiply, and subdue the earth.
 

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I cannot Exalt someone who GOD gave a mission to. Its very simple. I am simply acknowledging him for his work that he did for us.
It's clear that you didn't read the dictionary definition before responding.
 

Dino246

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Was is the dictionary that was written by GOD, or by HIS Prophets? Remind me.
You try to be a smart-aleck, but you just make yourself look more silly. Put aside your stubborn ego, and look up the word.
 
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You try to be a smart-aleck, but you just make yourself look more silly. Put aside your stubborn ego, and look up the word.
I think it is you that needs to do that. You cannot exalt any person that is above you.
 

Dino246

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I think it is you that needs to do that. You cannot exalt any person that is above you.
Wow... you would look a little less like a complete fool if you humbled yourself and did your homework.
 
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This overview of genisis is getting to random. Let's look at what the scriptures actually say.

The man that God created out of the dust of the earth was placed in the garden.
The garden was the garden planted by God.
The garden had all that was required to sustain the man. It also had 2 trees that were not found outside of it. The tree of life and the tree of good and evil.
The tree of good and evil was forbidden to be eaten from for it will bring death to the man.
 
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Wow... you would look a little less like a complete fool if you humbled yourself and did your homework.
Father Adam, is greater than me. I cannot exalt him. I am not concerned how i look to the likes of you.
 

Dino246

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Father Adam, is greater than me. I cannot exalt him. I am not concerned how i look to the likes of you.
When you're ready to learn, here's what the word actually means:

VERB
exalt (verb) · exalts (third person present) · exalted (past tense) · exalted (past participle) · exalting (present participle)
  1. hold (someone or something) in very high regard; think or speak very highly of.
    "the party will continue to exalt its hero"
    synonyms:
    glorify · extol · praise · acclaim · pay homage to · pay tribute to · revere · reverence · venerate · worship · hero-worship · lionize · idolize · deify · esteem · hold in high regard · hold in high esteem · hold in awe · look up to · put on a pedestal · laud · magnify