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keeth
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Is this the old one gospel for the Jews, and another for the Gentiles argument?
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Is this the old one gospel for the Jews, and another for the Gentiles argument?
'''and once again if I give and do everyday and everything I do to the Lord then I am still upholding the Sabbath'''
It is sad so many cannot see this. It is like saying
''No! you can only give the Lord one day your full attention, not seven. If you are truly born again of the Spirit you should want to honour God, and give him seven days fully, not just one.
It is sad so many cannot see this. It is like saying
''No! you can only give the Lord one day your full attention, not seven. If you are truly born again of the Spirit you should want to honour God, and give him seven days fully, not just one.
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It is my understanding that the Sabbath was always for dedicating the full day to the will of YHWH (Isa 58:13-14), but the pharsiees made it sitting staring at a wall day....
and while we should do the will of Yah and worship Him every day it is impossible to dedicate 100% of every day to Him, we have to shower and do laundry, work, etc. (any who say they do 100% everyday I find not true)
so you do believe the 7th day is set apart? (just for my understanding of what you believe, because I do consider you a brother in Messiah)
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keeth
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It is not of the ten commandments but of the laws written by the hand of Moses specifically for the literal nation of Israel. The NT addresses changes to the latter, but staunchly upholds the authority of the former. All of which you ignore.
SO it possible to dedicate every day 100%
what about working, laundry, dishes, exercise, love life, cooking etc?
and if it were possible to never cook, clean house, one someone would have to do it for you, thus deffeating the purpose, but if it were possible, does that change that the 7th day was set apart at creation? we cant set apart the other days, for it is not our authority?
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keeth
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Yes, this is where the one gospel for the Jews, another for Gentiles began to develop.
It is all about setting aside every day in your heart, as a day you want God to be first in it. You want Christ to be Lord of your life every day. you are willing every day to take up your cross and follow him. Every day you desire in your heart to come ever closer to your Saviour who bled and died for you. That is what matters, not the cooking and cleaning.
Jewish Laws
lol false doctrine alert
truth:
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
and if Acts 15 is the only Instructions then stealing is ok..... the Sabbath is one of the 10 and do not steal is one of the 10....
When they heard this,(the leaders of the Christian church) they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. [SUP]21 [/SUP]They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. [SUP]22 [/SUP]What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, [SUP]23 [/SUP]so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. [SUP]25 [/SUP]As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” Acts 21:20-25
It should be noted it is widely believed three of the above laws were given to appease Jewish legalists who had become christians
It should be noted it is widely believed three of the above laws were given to appease Jewish legalists who had become christians
you make you own regulations just like every church I have ever stepped foot in....
ohh so it about what ever I deem acceptable, then why did the Messiah have a problem with the pharisees making their own regulations?
Matt 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
No the Sabbath is about doing nothing for personal gain but dedicating the day to YHWH 100%. It is not that cooking, cleaning, excercise, etc is evil, but it is about setting all of our needs and desires aside and doing His will 100%, cant be playing basketball "to the Lord" and calling it set aside....
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keeth
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I know exactly what that statement means. You simply must deny that I do, in oreder to support your lie. No one on these boards has ever said they can be righteous by keeping the law, because no one believes it. You simply must beleive it about us, to maintain your lie. It is a self imposed blindness necessitated by denial. You must maintain it, regardless of what we tell you to the contrary, because it is the only ground you have to stand on. You continually ignore all scripture we present without ever addressing or explaining how we misunderstand it, and then fall immediately back upon your false accusation and the handful of scripotures you use to support it. We are not the ones ignoring scripture, you are.
I understand you perfectly. Saved by faith, in effect after that your righteousness before God is observing the law. Most churches I have known infer it, why should many not do so on the internet
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keeth
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I have worked on the Sabbath and will to do good. If I choose though to work every Sabbath to make a living, I would simply be caving to the demands of the complany I worked for, over and above the authority of God. Eventually, all will have to make this decision when those who ar attempting to legislate Sunday sacredness succeed in doing so.
yeah it was about entering a place of worship, they didnt even want gentiles to enter, but most gentiles back then were different than now, they were into some crazy pagan/demon stuff, not all but many religious gentiles were pagans...
if only one had ver been perefect in the Law how could geniles who had never heard the word walk in the Law without ever hearing it? no they had basic guidelines to enter, a little different than the "come as you are and stay as you are as long as the denomination gets tithes" teaching of today.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, [SUP]20 [/SUP]but that we write to them that they abstain from [SUP][j][/SUP]things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since [SUP][k][/SUP]he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
The disciples preached a little differently than the watered down teachings of today:
Acts 26:20 English Standard Version
"but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), performing deeds in keeping with their repentance."
I am beginning to be concerned you believe in cheap grace. God wants your heart, every day of the week, he wants you to follow after his son the same, that matters far more than cooking and cleaning. That is cheap grace if that is what concerns you
lol so concerned that you asked my for my view and then didnt read it because ti was "too long" ok.
The Gentile converts were asked to follow four Jewish laws, it is clearly written. Three of which are widely believed to have been to appease Jewish legalists
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keeth
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Lies beget lies. So now you are saying that those who keep the fourth commandment do so because they don't want to give the rest of the days of the week to God. You will stand before God and His judgment regarding this statement you just made about all who would observe the fourth commandment.
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kennethcadwell
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We still observe the Sabbath, just not in the way the OT Mosaic laws with its curses say we are.
Now with that being said I do not believe this has any bearing on Saturday or Sunday worship services, because the scripture I gave from Acts 20:7 says not only did they break bread but Paul preached to them as well; held worship on Sunday. If I am working to provide and feed for my family on Saturday, then I am doing for and as the Lord commanded keeping His day holy.
The written form of the 10 commandments was done away with to, because along with them in the Mosaic laws came curses of death in the ordinances for any that broke them. Under the new covenant those morals that are contained within the 10 commandments are written in our hearts to walk in with out the penalty of the law. If you continue however to break them from here and not follow them, then the truth is not in you and judgment awaits.........
Only a hand full of them, and not the whole 613 Mosaic laws;
Acts 15:20
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, andfrom fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Now lets see what Paul has to say about this subject to;
Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.