Was the Sabbath (7th day) abolished?

[Sylven]

Rom_2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Jas_1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Luk_8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[keeth]

Who has said the law written on the mind and placed on the heart of the believer can be ignored, or wilfully broken? No one that I know of in this debate. The law placed on the heart and written on the mind is the safety valve of grace, it stops the believer having a licence to sin

You are saying it does not include the fourth commandment. Accepting of course in some kind of morphed way that does not include setting aside the Seventh day for the rest God has commanded. I wonder, would you or do you present the same argument against those who are ever seeking to establish Sunday as a sacred day with human legislation requiring rest? Or is this animosity towards a day set aside for rest just against the seventh day? Surely believing as you do, you do not and would not support any required day of rest, am I correct.

 

[keeth]

You CANNOT be convicted of sin without knowledge of God's laws, for sin is transgression of the law

Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom 3:20

Yes you can and I was, but this is another topic altogether.

Ro 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

 

[keeth]

This does not pit scripture against itself, as the Lord showed clearly if a person has to eat then working on the Sabbath to get food to feed their family are innocent of breaking the Sabbath. Lord Jesus made this clear in Matthew 12:1-13, as doing good on the Sabbath is not breaking it, and working on the Sabbath in order to feed/support ones family is doing good. To not work and end up starving you and your family would not be doing good.......

As is obvious from the posts on these boards, we can all take some scripture and make it mean what we want. Jesus is walking through a corn field with His disciples on the Sabbath, they pick and eat some corn while doing so, the Pharisees ridiculously accuse them of working on the Sabbath for doing so. Christ corrects them for their petty accusations and unsound reasoning. Now you take this instance and basically say Christ and the disciples were working for a living when they ate corn on the Sabbath while walking through a corn field, and Christ defended working for a living on the Sabbath when he defended their actions, therefore it is now acceptable to work for a living on the Sabbath. Whatever, we are all free to do as we wish.

It seems to me though, you are doing exactly what the Pharisees did in just the opposite direction they did it. Your both turning what they did into something it was not, just for different reasons.

 

[keeth]

The born again Christian cannot reject the law placed on their heart and written on their mind by the Spirit. If they commit wilful sin their conscience will tear them apart until they come before God and repent of their folly. This is the core of the new covenant.

How about telling us what this law is. Since it apparently does not apply the fourth commandment as God spoke or wrote it. Just what commandments are included of those which get written upon the heart? Can you show us from scripture where it says the laws written upon our hearts will be different than those God spoke and wrote?

 

[keeth]

Sir, you need to understand what it means to be born again of the Spirit

Her we are, explain it to me. Explain to me how not observing the fourth commandment as god has spoken it, is part of being born again of the Spirit. Thank you.

 

[keeth]

You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
[SUP]4[/SUP]Such confidence we have through Christ before God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, [SUP]8 [/SUP]will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]If the ministry that brought condemnationwas glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! [SUP]10 [/SUP]For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

2Cor3:2-11

The glory being spoken of was the glory of God still upon Moses' face when he descended the mountain, which the Jews could not look upon. The law written upon the heart of the believer is a greater glory revealed in acts of righteousness performed by God's own in Christ which uplift and glorify God. The above has nothing to do with annulling the law of God but rather establishing the same within human flesh. This cannot be and is not accomplished by ignoring the rest God has commanded on the seventh day according to the fourth commandment.

 

[Grandpa]

A free pass? I make no judgement on if I will enter or not:

1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is Yahweh! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from Yahweh."

If I do enter it will be because YHWH has mercy on me and that yes I did His will. IF, that is IF.

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."


John (Yahchanan) 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

(and I can hear it now, "he didnt make himself his own judge, he is letting the Messiah judge him, he has no faith) lol my faith is that every word that proceeds from the mouth of Yah is true. and unless He comes and tells me yes or no, I do not put myself in any status)



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HAVE YOU EVER READ THE GOSPELS?

The pharisees were the most evil men in the society they did not follow the Law read Matt 23.....

Mark 7:13, "Making the Laws of Yahweh of no effect through your tradition you have handed down! And many other similar things you do."

"Making the Laws of Yahweh of no effect" because they "changed" the laws, followed whatever they wanted and did not submit to His Instructions, Paul as a n ex-pharisee understood this well and wrote about it, but most today are clueless.

Mark 7:5-9, "Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him; Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites--as it is written: 1This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

They were following the law to the best of their ability according to their understanding.

The same way all people who think they keep the law do, in one way or another.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

It seems right to read the law and think you can keep it. But you aren't reading it according to its spiritual meaning. This is the spiritual meaning of what the law is saying.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Makes it a little easier to understand that by the work of the law no one is justified. Because it is easy to see that no one, by their own work, makes their self perfect like God is Perfect.

Galatians 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

If you are still working at the law then you are still trying to perfect yourself. You haven't placed your faith in the One who truly can Perfect you.

Romans 6:14 [SUP] [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Any idea on how and why and when this happened?

 

[Grandpa]

Easy to say that but you can't prove it because the Text lines up with what I said.

The Author makes it undeniably clear that He says these things as a warning that we do not fall after the "same" Disobedience.

Heb 4:11 Therefore, let us do our best to enter that rest; so that no one will fall short because of the same kind of disobedience.

The author made it clear what disobedience they did which was The 7th day Sabbath. We can see this in exodus 16.

So if the Sabbath does not matter then why does the author use the Sabbath as the example?

There were many other things they disobeyed due to their lack of faith. what about, Idolatry, grumbling, etc.

But no He uses the Sabbath, simply because He knows the Sabbath is a mark of who we follow. He knows that the very test on the Sabbath that God gave Israel was also attached to the Judgement in the end time. He knew this because a pot of manna from that testing time was placed in the Most Holy Place where Judgement took place.

Exo 16:32 Moshe said, "Here is what ADONAI has ordered: 'Let two quarts of man be kept through all your generations, so that they will be able to see the bread which I fed you in the desert when I brought you out of Egypt.'"
Exo 16:33 Moshe said to Aharon, "Take a jar, put in it two quarts of man, and set it aside before ADONAI to be kept through all your generations."
Exo 16:34 Just as ADONAI ordered Moshe, Aharon set it aside before the testimony to be kept.

and Again here:

Heb 9:3 Behind the second parokhet was a tent called the Holiest Place,
Heb 9:4 which had the golden altar for burning incense and the Ark of the Covenant, entirely covered with gold. In the Ark were the gold jar containing the man, Aharon's rod that sprouted and the stone Tablets of the Covenant;


Thus it is written:

Deu 8:2 You are to remember everything of the way in which ADONAI led you these forty years in the desert, humbling and testing you in order to know what was in your heart - whether you would obey his mitzvot or not.
Deu 8:3 He humbled you, allowing you to become hungry, and then fed you with man, which neither you nor your ancestors had ever known, to make you understand that a person does not live on food alone but on everything that comes from the mouth of ADONAI.


what were the words that came from the mouth of God?

Exo 20:1 Then God said all these words: .....

follows the 10 commandments.

what word particular was connected God testing if they would obey Him and went for forty years?

Exo 16:4 ADONAI said to Moshe, "Here, I will cause bread to rain down from heaven for you. The people are to go out and gather a day's ration every day. By this I will test whether they will observe my Torah or not.


and what "word" was the test to see if they would keep the law?

Exo 16:23 He told them, "This is what ADONAI has said: 'Tomorrow is a holy Shabbat for ADONAI. Bake what you want to bake; boil what you want to boil; and whatever is left over, set aside and keep for the morning.'"
Exo 16:24 They set it aside till morning, as Moshe had ordered; and it didn't rot or have worms.
Exo 16:25 Moshe said, "Today, eat that; because today is a Shabbat for ADONAI - today you won't find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Gather it six days, but the seventh day is the Shabbat - on that day there won't be any."

Sabbath.

how long did it go for?

Exo 16:35 The people of Isra'el ate man for forty years, until they came to an inhabited land. They ate man until they arrived at the borders of the land of Kena'an.

40 years until when?

Yes they came to Canaan.

Is Hebrews about going to the promised land?

Heb 3:17 And with whom was God disgusted for forty years? Those who sinned - yes, they fell dead in the Wilderness!
Heb 3:18 And to whom was it that he swore that they would not enter his rest? Those who were disobedient.
Heb 3:19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of lack of trust.

Yes,

Does Hebrews connect the 7th day Sabbath one of Gods Words to this failure to enter?

Heb 4:4 For there is a place where it is said, concerning the seventh day, "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works."
Heb 4:5 And once more, our present text says, "They will not enter my rest."

Yes indeed the author does connect just as the Old testament does. by the way, notice that He connects the 7th day Sabbath with, "they will not enter my rest"/Canaan.

So very clearly the issue for Israel is clear but then as said we are told not to disobey in lack of faith as they did who were unable to enter.

In other words if we do the same as they then we also will not enter into the Heavenly Canaan.

So what is it that we must learn then?

Heb 4:9 So there remains a Shabbat-keeping for God's people.
Heb 4:10 For the one who has entered God's rest has also rested from his own works, as God did from his.

Really the Sabbath, the Author gives the same test as Israel had. to enter by faith the 7th day Sabbath. note also, as much as you like to call it works you are wrong.

case in point. Does the author make it clear that Israel was to keep the 7th day Sabbath and it was because they did not that they did not enter Cannan?

Yes that is well established.

Did the author also establish that it was because they did not work that they did not enter?

Heb 4:1 Therefore, let us be terrified of the possibility that, even though the promise of entering his rest remains, any one of you might be judged to have fallen short of it;
Heb 4:2 for Good News has also been proclaimed to us, just as it was to them. But the message they heard didn't do them any good, because those who heard it did not combine it with trust.

No, clearly it is stated their lack of faith was why they did not enter. So very clearly them not keeping the 7th day Sabbath as they aught was a lack of faith. and thus their works also lacked/obedience.

So it is clear that to argue works is silly, one can enter the 7th day Sabbath physically by faith. Faith in God, Faith in His mark. Faith in his providing for our needs. Faith in His ability to make us Holy.

Therefore it is also true then today that to keep the 7th day Sabbath is an issue of faith. works are simply the fruit of that Faith.








to not keep the 7th day Sabbath is to have no faith, as it is written:

Jas 2:18 But someone will say that you have faith and I have actions. Show me this faith of yours without the actions, and I will show you my faith by my actions!
Jas 2:19 You believe that "God is one"? Good for you! The demons believe it too - the thought makes them shudder with fear!
Jas 2:20 But, foolish fellow, do you want to be shown that such "faith" apart from actions is barren?

The text is clear friend but only when you have been to the tutor/schoolmaster.

All you do is contradict your own self and show you have no understanding.

On the one hand you say that the text says not to fall after the same example of disobedience, which is wrong.

Then you contradict your wrong statement by saying they didn't enter in because of lack of trust, ie lack of faith, ie UNBELIEF.

Then you go on to blather that Gods rest is actually working at the law, keeping a saturday sabbath. Its really quite simple.

Hebrews 4:10 [SUP] [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

I know you keep trying, but you can't twist that to mean continue working at the law by keeping a saturday sabbath. Do you even realize that continuing to try and keep a saturday sabbath is working at the law?

Working at the law is not of faith.

Galatians 3:11-12
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Ceasing from your work at the law can only be done by faith. Because it is only given by Christ. Not by religious men.

In that way you are right, This Rest is the mark of the One we follow.

 

[Grandpa]

Keeping a saturday sabbath is not walking in the spirit, its working at the law which is walking in the flesh.

Refraining from killing people is walking in the spirit if keeping a saturday sabbath is walking in the spirit. We all know that is not the case. It takes more than working at the law to walk in the spirit.

Galatians 2:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[Jeff_56]

that's totally false and also simply ridiculous.

 

[gotime]

All you do is contradict your own self and show you have no understanding.

On the one hand you say that the text says not to fall after the same example of disobedience, which is wrong.

Then you contradict your wrong statement by saying they didn't enter in because of lack of trust, ie lack of faith, ie UNBELIEF.

Then you go on to blather that Gods rest is actually working at the law, keeping a saturday sabbath. Its really quite simple.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

I know you keep trying, but you can't twist that to mean continue working at the law by keeping a saturday sabbath. Do you even realize that continuing to try and keep a saturday sabbath is working at the law?

Working at the law is not of faith.

Galatians 3:11-12
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Ceasing from your work at the law can only be done by faith. Because it is only given by Christ. Not by religious men.

In that way you are right, This Rest is the mark of the One we follow.

you are wrong in that friend, I need not work at the law. My faith in God empowers me to do all God asks.

It is clear that even when God gave them the law they could only keep it by Faith.

You yourself acknowledge that they did not enter because of their lack of faith.

Yet they were supposed to keep the law. there can only be one conclusion, the law is not contrary to faith.

FOr this:

Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. ( which by the way is not the same word used in chapter 4.)

proves that even back then before the promised land, when the law was given to the Jewish nation, they were still to live by faith. The law had to be in their heart as it is written:

Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

read my post after the one you quoted for more detail.

You think that works was ever the method of salvation?

If you do you are wrong, there is no place where anyone in history was saved by works of the law. not ever.

The standard has always been faith in God which brings fruit of obedience.

Friend go study the schoolmaster it is clear you have not done so yet. and because of this you can't help but read the new wrong. I believe you are genuine. But you clearly do not understand how the law even worked when it was given to Israel.

you read works of the law and think that anyone who keeps the law is in this category or so it seems. in that you are mistaken.

Israel was never saved by keeping the law, but they were never saved without keeping it either.

it sounds like a contradiction but it is not.

See not killing does not save someone, but God does not save someone who refuses to stop killing. do you see?

It was Gods grace that saved Israel from Egypt. The law given next is not against the promises given to Abraham. and it could not be kept without Faith. so it is today. as Hebrews says, same Gospel for them same Gospel for us.

 

[gotime]

Keeping a saturday sabbath is not walking in the spirit, its working at the law which is walking in the flesh.

Refraining from killing people is walking in the spirit if keeping a saturday sabbath is walking in the spirit. We all know that is not the case. It takes more than working at the law to walk in the spirit.

Galatians 2:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

So then God is wrong then?

was it not God who said keep the law if you want to enter the promised land?

was it not God who said they will not enter because of their lack of faith?

So which is it, works or faith. God is not wrong.

it must be both because God gave both, so then Faith produces true obedience.

keeping the Sabbath is keeping the law. you do know that the 10 commandments are not 10 laws but 1. one law you can't have it both ways either keep it all or don't keep any.

 

[Grandpa]

So then God is wrong then?.

No.

was it not God who said keep the law if you want to enter the promised land?

Yes.

was it not God who said they will not enter because of their lack of faith?

Yes.

So which is it, works or faith. God is not wrong.

Faith produces works.

it must be both because God gave both, so then Faith produces true obedience.

The Holy Spirit produces true obedience.

keeping the Sabbath is keeping the law.

Keeping a saturday Sabbath is the flesh practicing a spiritual principle. It is not the spiritual principal itself. It is a tradition of men.

Same as refraining from killing people is the flesh practicing a spiritual principle but is not actually spiritual.

you do know that the 10 commandments are not 10 laws but 1. one law you can't have it both ways either keep it all or don't keep any

Roger that. You keep it all or you don't keep any. Be Perfect as your Father in Heaven is Perfect.

 

[4enlightment]

Acts 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

Luke 11:46 Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Matthew 20:12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

Matthew 20:15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” ( Referring to the ones that were under the old that had labored very hard by doing the laws, but the others didn't had to performed them and they had gotten jealous that the new recruis didn't had to labor as hard as they did.)

Everyone want to put an heavy load on others even they themselves aren't able to carry; you all doesn't know what is the process of observing the Sabbath; you think it is just going to sleep all day and don't answer the phone, but it isn't that easy as you think. I've been exercising that for years and strictly by the book. You guys just took some of the parts , the easy parts, and threw away from out of your minds the hard part. I think you all better start reading the scriptures all over, word by word and see what you have left out. I've been hinting around some of the process, but you Sabbath keepers didn't want to here that, and so just keep on going to sleep and pretend that you are observing it as you think, but when you sit in Moses' seat, Moses is going to tell you, "That isn't a Sabbath, that is call laying around doing nothing." I doesn't know why they had put everything into verses and which that has confused everyone; When they was on a subject, they sort of explained it in a way that leads to other subject, but never had left the main subject. People has been reading the verse and then call it quits by believing that one verse is telling the hold entire chapter what it is about.

 

[gotime]

No.


Yes.


Yes.


Faith produces works.

The Holy Spirit produces true obedience.



Keeping a saturday Sabbath is the flesh practicing a spiritual principle. It is not the spiritual principal itself. It is a tradition of men.

Same as refraining from killing people is the flesh practicing a spiritual principle but is not actually spiritual.



Roger that. You keep it all or you don't keep any. Be Perfect as your Father in Heaven is Perfect.

IN the 1800s that had a name for that, Spirtualizers. people who would take a truth and spirtualize it away.

The reality is this is silly, you can't produce one text that says the Sabbath is done away with or changed.

 

[Chopper]

I find it interesting that some here have claimed days of the Gregorian days to be the 7th day Sabbath, when they are not. If you go according to the pagan Gregorian days, which does not include the days of the weeks, months and years as described by the Word of Elohim, according to the lights in the sky for the appointed times or as it is called, mo'ed, from one new moon to another, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, even in the new Heavens and Earth shall it be so.

You argue points that are clearly written within the Word which establish rather than abolish such things.

 

[Grandpa]

IN the 1800s that had a name for that, Spirtualizers. people who would take a truth and spirtualize it away.

The reality is this is silly, you can't produce one text that says the Sabbath is done away with or changed.

Hebrews 7:11-28
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[SUP]21 [/SUP](For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[SUP]22 [/SUP]By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[gotime]

Hebrews 7:11-28
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[SUP]21 [/SUP](For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[SUP]22 [/SUP]By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Yes Jesus said that nothing about the Sabbath there though is there.

Jesus better surety yes and saves us yes

Jesus a priest not after a carnal commandment yes because the carnal made humans priests.

The law spoken of here is in reference to the sacrificial system more specifically the priesthood.

Nothing about the Sabbath there is there?

you gotta try harder than that.

and I repeat my point you don't have a single text that does away with the Sabbath or changes it.

 

[Grandpa]

The law spoken of here is in reference to the sacrificial system more specifically the priesthood..

No. Its speaking of the carnal commandment which men who work at the law make Gods Law into.

Thou shalt not kill. When you don't kill because of working at this commandment you have made it into a carnal commandment. By your carnal self and your carnal work.

Nothing about the Sabbath there is there?

you gotta try harder than that.

and I repeat my point you don't have a single text that does away with the Sabbath or changes it.

You didn't read carefully enough.