The Pharisees could perfectly uphoid the legalistic law, but they could not obey the law that related to the inner man. They were full of hypocrisy, and everything unclean on the inside. Paul was a Pharisee before he converted to Christianity (Rom 7:7-11) The more you stress obedience to the literal letter of the law to attain Heaven the more of a sinner you become on the inside. This is biblically proved beyond measure
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The Pharisees could perfectly uphoid the legalistic law, but they could not obey the law that related to the inner man. They were full of hypocrisy, and everything unclean on the inside. Paul was a Pharisee before he converted to Christianity (Rom 7:7-11) The more you stress obedience to the literal letter of the law to attain Heaven the more of a sinner you become on the inside. This is biblically proved beyond measure
what is the legalistic law? and what is the traditions of the elders? and what do evil pharisees have to do with us honoring the Sabbath? because they were evil we change His law like they sis? they are a bad example, the Messiah is the right example:
Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful (intent) to do righteousness on the Sabbath."
Legalistic law is law you can keep without having to love God simply put. IE insisting a person must go to church on a Saturday and avoid ''unclean foods'' I can't believe you do not know what legalistic law refers to, Paul did!!
so then not stealing is legalistic and not committing adultery. You do know that there are people who do not do these things who don't love God right.
fake obeying he law is no obeying the Law, only in loving the Creator the way He says and our fellow human are we keeping the Law at all.
1 John 5:2-3 (ESV), "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."
just because some evil pharisees pretended to obey while they were kabbalsits at the top does not deter me from seeking obedience to the Spirit as YHWH says He loves....
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 John 5:2-3 (ESV), "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."
Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."
John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."
It is obvious you believe Heaven hinges on obeying God's laws. It sounds nice doesn't it. However, that means a person must have a righteousness before God of observing the law, nothing else is possible. That is not possible according to Paul
I believe we are:
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."
and thus we should:
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
Because:
Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"
1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law."
and I do believe obedience matters, bu is not our justification, for the mercy given by YHWH is the only way any man will have eternal life.
However we do not trample on that mercy:
Acts 26:20 English Standard Version
"but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), performing deeds in keeping with their repentance."
James 1:22-25, " But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does."
for we do not want to by pharisee hypocrites that do not follow the Messiah, but rather obedient sheep, not perfect but following the narrow path.
Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
Faith + no works = dead
Works + no faith = dead
We need faith and works, AND OUR FAITH AND OUR WORKS HAS TO BE POINTED AT THE RIGHT DIRECTION
Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."
we must abide in Him
Ezekiyl 36:26-28, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."
Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
"Law" is word #H8451 - Torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."
Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
Isayah 59:15-21, "Yes, truth is suppressed; and he who departs from evil is accounted as mad. Yahweh saw this, and it displeased Him that there was no justice. But He saw no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor. Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him, and His own righteousness, it sustained Him. For He put on righteousness as a breastplate, with a helmet of salvation on His head; He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and He wrapped Himself with zeal like a tallit. According to their deeds, accordingly He will repay--fury to His adversaries, recompense to His enemies; to the islands; nations, He will repay recompense. So they will reverence the Name of Yahweh from the west and His glory from the rising of the sun; when our enemies will come in like a flood, the Spirit of Yahweh will lift up a standard against them; The Redeemer will depart from Zion for those of Yaaqob who repent of their sins! declares Yahweh. As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Words which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."
So when it written on your heart i a different Law then what came directly from the mouth of the Most High Himself?
no its the same:
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father."
yes there is pharisaic legalisim and there is licentious grace, but truth is is Yah, in His word, among those that seek Messiah the most terrible thing is those that have been taught obedience is somehow bad... for Messiah came to properly instruct us, the Law is the textbook and Messiah is the professor, He explains everything perfect, He said the Law is not gone, but it is to be done in sincerity and love.
Do you believe you have to obey all 613 OT laws? I haven't met any christian who does. I imagine you do. Not one jot or title.....
So if you cannot obey God's laws you go to hell. If you have any impure thought, you are condemned to hell therefore. If you do not love all your enemies, those who hate and malign you, you are condemned to hell. If you do not give to those who ask withput expecting anything in return in your heart you are condemned to hell etc.
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Sophia
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Here is a topic we should do a study on, because we seem to hold different views.
I see the Sabbath as a direct command also, and a moral one along with the other 10 commandments. However, I see the specific day of the week as less important than the principle of 1 in 7 separated apart, and the rest upon that day being intentional.
I also see Christ as fulfilling this, as He is our rest, but not to the point of removing the command from the practical.
7 days of work is sinful and even greedy, and neglecting fellowship is sinful also. Therefore, the Sabbath is an eternal command of God... however I do not see Saturday as the only day that can be used as Sabbath.
I see the Sabbath as a direct command also, and a moral one along with the other 10 commandments. However, I see the specific day of the week as less important than the principle of 1 in 7 separated apart, and the rest upon that day being intentional.
I also see Christ as fulfilling this, as He is our rest, but not to the point of removing the command from the practical.
7 days of work is sinful and even greedy, and neglecting fellowship is sinful also. Therefore, the Sabbath is an eternal command of God... however I do not see Saturday as the only day that can be used as Sabbath.
Hizikyah, thank you for replying to his/her/its reply . but as you saw, his reply did not make sense at all. he is not learning truth or faith or from yahshua.... it's like a bot replying by programming without being able to learn.... whether it's the same as the sin that leads to death, i don't know, so if we can pray for him, her or it, we pray.... replying has seemed like the right thing to do, but it doesn't listen and doesn't learn... its replies make no sense at all.. and indeed cannot, for when truth is rejected, nothing is known, nothing at all.
A perfect example of stressing obedience to legalistic law, but not being able to follow the heart of the law. Good example, thank you
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Sophia
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You can't throw it all out though. The very way we express our faith is through our obedience. The heart of the Law doesn't hate the Letter, but explains it to us.
Our obedience and faithfulness generally comes down to the weight of our conscience, led by the Spirit,
and is opposed by our flesh and carnal desires.
Would you rebuke someone for fasting? How about for leaving their beard untrimmed at the edges? Or about abstaining from certain food, like pork?
The expression of faith does not reduce faith, or eliminate the need of grace.
So then would I be right then in saying that you charge God with giving the Jews a legalistic covenant?
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Sophia
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Rather, God charged Israel with turning a clear spiritual teaching into legalism, and then forsaking it altogether, save a few parts they liked.