We are all false teachers

[posthuman]

Our differences have also proven the fact that scripture only harmonizes to a certain extent

100 people getting different results from a calculation doesn't prove the equation has no solution.
it shows that a lot of those people, maybe even all of them, have made mistakes in their math.

. . which, i suppose is your point in saying we're a pack of false teachers, which is well taken at least by me
it doesn't show that there is no truth tho - it shows we all need to take a lot of care to be accurate in what we say - which means being slow to speak, and quick to listen!

 

[posthuman]

The word " Jesus could not make something different". It is not Biblical. The Spirit of Christ is eternal. The point is Build around the words of Jesus not around OSAS/NOSAS.

amen!

we really, really ought to be talking and asking and searching for more about Him and less about each other

 

[stonesoffire]

Then why are you even bothering? Go fishing.

I take this as hit the streets brother/sister, why are you wasting time here?

 

[stonesoffire]

Jesus. He makes all the difference. OSAS/NOSAS is doctrinal subjects that only those who are already saved debate and the unsaved person will not argue this. It is elevated by those who elites and use it to divide. They are divided on I'm saved and you are not saved while both proclaim to be saved LOL see how unedifying this is.

Unless one is dealing with a wolf. Speaking as one who visits that thread mostly.

 

[preacher4truth]

I a

free with but those who deny the deity of Christ are not false teacher per say that is the spirit of Anti-christ

Yet they were teaching, and their teachings were to be rejected. That would make them false teachers.

 

[pottersclay]

Do you think the only worthwhile way of God is our salvation? That lets out love, wisdom, fruits of the spirit--it leaves out so very much. It is like only having a relationship for things that relationship gives us.

We also receive the Holy Spirit when we are saved, but the Holy Spirit helps us understand the word. We must put the word in our minds and heart for the Holy Spirit to work with.

Jesus grew in wisdom and knowledge. It did not happen all at once even though he was the only begotten.
We too must grow.
Salvation is by grace as we know it is the free gift from God that cost him dearly,
But that does not mean you receive the Holy Spirit right then.
Jesus told his deciples to wait and he will send the Holy Spirit.
In Genesis we see the Holy Spirit hovering over the waters while creation was taking place.
A fruit tree does not produce fruit immediately it must first mature.
Now granted some may receive him at the point of salvation but not all.
According to scripture the way I've understood it is that we first establish who Jesus is.
Referring to Jesus asking peter who do you say I am.
Now with Peter's reply Jesus said that the spirt of God revealed the answer to peter,
We also see the great commission is given and Devine works are done through the twelve yet Jesus after his resurrection instructs them to wait in the upper room to receive power that he would send the helper.
Some theologians suggest that even Paul in the differences in Romans I believe chapter 6 and 7 was talking about not having the Holy Spirit and then having the Holy Spirit as he refers to himself many times. (Speculation).
In short Jesus is the way, the truth, the life everything points to him and he only he is the one that works in and through you.

 

[p_rehbein]

Do you think the only worthwhile way of God is our salvation? That lets out love, wisdom, fruits of the spirit--it leaves out so very much. It is like only having a relationship for things that relationship gives us.

We also receive the Holy Spirit when we are saved, but the Holy Spirit helps us understand the word. We must put the word in our minds and heart for the Holy Spirit to work with.

The Written Word IS ONLY a record of the LIVING WORD! That's who we put in our hearts.................mayhaps this is your problem? Have you received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit?

One can be saved but not yet sanctified.............just saying

 

[KJV1611]

Our differences have also proven the fact that scripture only harmonizes to a certain extent

Are you saying that there are places where the Bible contradicts itself?

 

[Pulie]

Personally (as you just offered a teaching of your own), I would like YOU to start by answering ALL your questions yourself............yeah, that would be just swell........

What teaching would that be?
I want to answer you based on how you perceive my words.

 

[Pulie]

The Written Word IS ONLY a record of the LIVING WORD! That's who we put in our hearts.................mayhaps this is your problem? Have you received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit?

One can be saved but not yet sanctified.............just saying

Yes I have received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit,but he has not encouraged me to commit intellectual suicide.

I think you took my words to heart. Noticed I said "We are all", which means I include myself.

 

[Pulie]

Are you saying that there are places where the Bible contradicts itself?

The Bible does not contradict itself, what amazes me is how we fail to bring it into complete harmony yet continue to say that the Bible does not contradict itself.

I think we should admit that some things are just beyond human comprehension.

What do people mean when they say the Bible does not contradict itself yet fail to bring it into complete harmony?

Or maybe I don't understand the word "contradict".

 

[KJV1611]

The Bible does not contradict itself, what amazes me is how we fail to bring it into complete harmony yet continue to say that the Bible does not contradict itself.

I think we should admit that some things are just beyond human comprehension.

What do people mean when they say the Bible does not contradict itself yet fail to bring it into complete harmony?

Or maybe I don't understand the word "contradict".

I don’t think the Bible contradicts itself, I think people believe the parts they want to believe and ignore the parts they don’t like.

The Bible is written in such a way as to promote disharmony and false doctrines when all aspects of a doctrine aren’t considered.

 

[CS1]

I think you are correct. Yet Christ is called a son. God's world works differently from ours, it is sometimes hard to wrap my head around all of God.

But surely this would not change that as Christians, we should include all scripture in our study of the word. Christ is still eternal, Christ did not change. To truly know Christ we must study all of Christ, both when Christ's blood atoned, and when Christ's blood saved.

Lev. 17:11 tells us it is the blood God gave on the altar that makes atonement for the soul. We know that it is only the blood of Christ that saves.

I am not going to try and wrap my head around the wonderful mystery of the Godhead. For one, man is limited in understanding and we can not know all there is to know of the Divine Nature of the Godhead.

 

[CS1]

Yet they were teaching, and their teachings were to be rejected. That would make them false teachers.

if they were teaching. That too is a word that is used way too much about one speaking as an opinion and not teaching. I agree with you .

 

[CS1]

But don't you think that it would be impossible to truly know God and what He is about if we limit ourselves to Christ as Christ was in the flesh? It seems so important to know that the God who created us does not want our death. As soon as evil entered the world Christ's blood gave atonement and later salvation. It is like getting to know all about people we love, only this is our creator and our life.

we are limited. And Jesus is the message and the proof of God's love for each of us.

 

[Magenta]

I am not going to try and wrap my head around the wonderful mystery of the Godhead. For one, man is limited in understanding and we can not know all there is to know of the Divine Nature of the Godhead.

The whole Trinity doctrine is people trying to wrap their heads around the mystery of the Godhead.

Please note, I am not saying I disagree with the Trinity doctrine

 

[Lanolin]

Im not a teacher Im a librarian.
I have lots of teachers use the library but its not my job to dictate how they teach, everyone has their own individual style of teaching, I just provide the books.

 

[stonesoffire]

Im not a teacher Im a librarian.
I have lots of teachers use the library but its not my job to dictate how they teach, everyone has their own individual style of teaching, I just provide the books.

sorry for the length of this post, but couldn’t just pick one scripture.

Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,


Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;


Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.


Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;


Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.


Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.


Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?


Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)


Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;


Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:


Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:


Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

perhaps the key words “ in love” are missing? I don’t know but will consider these scriptures.

 

[Blik]

The Spirit of Christ was not created HE has Always been. Eternal in the Godhead .

This is not answering the question of learning about what you call the spirit of Christ. Please address the problem. Are you making a difference between the spirit of Christ and Christ as Christ was living in a human man? It seems to me that Christ that was at creation and Christ as he was born in Bethlehem is the same Christ.

 

[CS1]

This is not answering the question of learning about what you call the spirit of Christ. Please address the problem. Are you making a difference between the spirit of Christ and Christ as Christ was living in a human man? It seems to me that Christ that was at creation and Christ as he was born in Bethlehem is the same Christ.

The Spirit of Christ was not created HE has Always been. Eternal in the Godhead .

Bilk said:
Are you saying that the truth is that Christ was not from the beginning of our world? That doesn't match up with scripture. It would make Christ, not the Son but a new God. Although God is one but still there are different aspects of God. There is God the creator who arranged our salvation and God the Son whose blood saves us.


CS1 responded too:
"The Spirit of Christ was not created HE has Always been. Eternal in the Godhead."

This answer is to your question:
Are you saying that the truth is that Christ was not from the beginning of our world?

No I am not my answer is no Christ is eternal and So is the Body OF HIM