WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

[Willie-T]

Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

Oh, honey. Who has been filling your mind? You're neither a teacher nor a prophet. You didn't point anyone to Christ. You tried pointing people to some science-fiction fairy-tale roaming around "the church." You've done no more than those who tell about some person waking up in a motel room bathroom covered in ice and without a kidney. You're telling nothing short of urban myth, not even Christ centered.

And the only ones who fall for it are the ones who came to Christ and then got swept into the frauds. Get out. Honestly. Get out of whatever church you go to and find a truly "Christ centered" church. And start reading the Bible as the Bible not secret code only interpreted by the snake-charmers you've been reading, because you don't yet know what the Bible is about.

Not your fault for falling in with the snake-charmers, but you are now old enough to get out and get on with you're real walk in the Lord.

I don't know if my heart can take it! I seldom hear you speaking this way. Someone pinch me to see if I am awake.

 

[tourist]

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How is it useless? The Bible tells us what we need to know about who the antichrist will be. I am not a teacher of doctrine, but a prophet. My calling is to point Christians to Christ for the understanding they need, not to me. If you need it, seek Him. If you think I'm fear-mongering, without giving information, are the Revelation, and the book of Daniel, and the other scriptures which speak of these things fear-mongering too?

The only prophets that I know are some dead guys in the prophetic books in the bible. If you are a prophet then everything you predict must happen with 100% certainty. You are not a prophet but you may be a messenger. Perhaps this is closer to who you believe you are and your purpose here on earth.

 

[shrume]

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Oh my.

Don't get stressed, Roger.

What is lacking in the word of God that you would need a prophet?

It's not that anything is lacking in the word of God, but prophets are one of the five "equipping" ministries in the church (Eph 4:11). Sometimes people need to hear from God. The prophet Agabus warned Paul not to go to Jerusalem. As did the four daughters in Acts 21:9.

You must believe in Gentile prophets.

I believe there are prophets in the Christian church.

Do you also believe that prophets whose prophecy fail should be stoned to death?

No.

Isaiah's prophesy to Hezekiah failed in Isa 38:1 failed, and he was not stoned.

Jonah's prophesy to Nineveh in Jonah 3:4 failed, and he was not stoned.

Prophesy can change when circumstances change.

 

[shrume]

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The only prophets that I know are some dead guys in the prophetic books in the bible. If you are a prophet then everything you predict must happen with 100% certainty. You are not a prophet but you may be a messenger. Perhaps this is closer to who you believe you are and your purpose here on earth.

Then neither Isaiah nor Jonah were prophets.

 

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

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Welcome to CC. I don't have the authority to say whether you are a Prophetess or not, but I am a child of God, He is my Father, and His Son tells me I am His Friend. We are no longer slaves or servants, and He is our God, Father and Friend.

John 15:14 - "You are my friends if you do what I command you."

John 15:15 No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you.

We are now servants of His righteousness, set free from being slaves of sin.

Further, our Daddy (Abba) has not appointed His wrath to His Children, but rather appointed us His Heirs!

Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of[b] God through Christ.

The Jews were sons also at one point. Paul warned us that if God didn't spare the natural branches, He wouldn't spare us either. Continuing in the faith is not merely a matter of words, and saying that we believe in Jesus, but of actions. Saying that you love Jesus is not the same as loving Him.

It's not because God doesn't love us that most of us will perish, but it will be by our own choice because we do not love Him, as our actions prove to Him day after day, and as they will prove during the tribulation. ("...The love of most will grow cold." Matt 24:12. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 Jn 5:3.) The law was a burden to the Jews because they couldn't keep it in their own power. Christians have grace available to them to do whatever God commands, in His strength, not their own. God hasn't given us any commandment that He is not able to help us to keep. That's why Jesus' commands aren't burdensome, and why His yoke is easy---NOT because we don't have to keep them, but because we have a Helper, as the Jews did not. The love of God, the first and greatest commandment, is to obey Him. Period. Keeping His commandments are a condition of keeping our life in Christ.

We are safe as long as we chose to remain/abide in Christ. We have the choice to remain in Him or not.

Hebrews 10:26-31 is too long to quote here, but this and other new testament scriptures show that our salvation must be kept, and that we can forfeit it by the actions and choices of our own free will. The promises that so many Christians like to quote also have conditions that they conveniently overlook (to their own potential detriment).

I am only sharing these things to support what I have been declaring and reiterating in my other posts on this thread, since there are some who think I am fear-mongering or pulling things out of the air, or that I don't know the Scriptures. I am very wary of slipping into the forbidden territory of women teaching doctrine, so I use the Scriptures carefully as the Lord gives me peace to do so, to support what He has given me to share with others according to my calling, and in whatever way He gives me faith to do it.

Christ's return has been imminent since the moment He ascended to the right Hand of His Father, although I too believe His return may be "soon", I'd be interested to hear what God revealed to you to be "soon". Why don't you tell us exactly what He said to you, and in what manner?

The Lord has reiterated the soon-ness of the tribulation and the things I have mentioned through what He has led me to and explained to me from the Bible, speaking heart to Heart as a teacher speaks to a student or a man to his friend. He has given me insights in the night and at other times while I have communed with Him in my heart, sometimes with words, sometimes with wordless understanding (that's the best way I can describe it---communication of a thought without words, but still conveying it as clearly as though it were with words); and those revelations are accompanied by the Scriptures that support/explain them. The reiteration of these truths by the two means I mentioned, together with the observable prophesied apostasy of the saints at this time, which agrees with what is described in 2 Timothy 3, and the faith the Lord has given me to know it, are the reasons for my conviction and declaring that God is about to judge His disobedient people (1 Peter 4:17).

No one knows the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we DO know that it will be on the LAST day of the great tribulation, which will be approximately 3 1/2 years long ('shortened'/'cut in half' by God, for the sake of the elect---that's us---from the original 7 years mentioned in Daniel.) The tribulation will begin when the mark of the beast is implemented and the worship of his image instituted, and the judgments of God begin to be poured out on the unsaved. That is when we can start counting down to Christ's return, on the last day of the tribulation---if it is His will for us to remain on the earth until that day.

The wrath to which Christians are not appointed is the wrath of the lake of fire, and the wrath of the judgments God will be pouring out on the world during the tribulation, which will not affect the Christians who will also be on the earth at that time. Christians who choose not to remain in Christ during the tribulation and who take the mark, will fare the same as those who have never known Him. The testing of the tribulation is not God's wrath. It is the wrath of Satan, but not of God; and it is by God's purpose and His will that we will be tested by persecution during this time.

(None of what I have just said will make one bit of difference to the hard-hearted. They will only scoff, as they have been scoffing on this thread. But hopefully some will listen and take heed. I encourage other believers to research these things for themselves to know that they are true---with clean hands and a pure heart, and a good conscience toward God (no known sins), so that He may give them the understanding and confirmation they need about it.)

 

[NayborBear]

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Don't get stressed, Roger.


It's not that anything is lacking in the word of God, but prophets are one of the five "equipping" ministries in the church (Eph 4:11). Sometimes people need to hear from God. The prophet Agabus warned Paul not to go to Jerusalem. As did the four daughters in Acts 21:9.


I believe there are prophets in the Christian church.


No.

Isaiah's prophesy to Hezekiah failed in Isa 38:1 failed, and he was not stoned.

Jonah's prophesy to Nineveh in Jonah 3:4 failed, and he was not stoned.

Prophesy can change when circumstances change.

Really Love, that last line in yer post!

"Cuz the circumstances? They are a chaaannnngiiiinnnnggg!"

 

[notuptome]

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Don't get stressed, Roger.

LOL

It's not that anything is lacking in the word of God, but prophets are one of the five "equipping" ministries in the church (Eph 4:11). Sometimes people need to hear from God. The prophet Agabus warned Paul not to go to Jerusalem. As did the four daughters in Acts 21:9.

Yet Paul was set to go and not deterred.

I believe there are prophets in the Christian church.

Well that makes it indisputable.

No.

Isaiah's prophesy to Hezekiah failed in Isa 38:1 failed, and he was not stoned.

Jonah's prophesy to Nineveh in Jonah 3:4 failed, and he was not stoned.

Prophesy can change when circumstances change.

Scripture does not change.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Nehemiah6]

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How is it useless? The Bible tells us what we need to know about who the antichrist will be. I am not a teacher of doctrine, but a prophet.

1. Prophets were men who spoke the very words of God by Divine revelation (2 Pet 1:21).

2. The apostles and prophets are now found in the Bible only, since the book of Revelation closed out genuine prophecies (Rev 22:18,19)

3. The Church is built upon the "foundation" of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone (Eph 2:20). This foundation is Scripture itself, and all that needed to be revealed has been revealed.

4. There are no contemporary prophets, although there are pastors, evangelists, and teachers to expound on what was revealed through the apostles and prophets (Eph 4:11). So you can take your pick as to what the Lord has called you to do.

5. As to the OP, yes we are in the midst of the great apostasy (or falling away from the truth) which was already prophesied, and the time is fast approaching for the Antichrist to be revealed. At the same time, there is no question that there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church before that happens. That is the only way that the Restrainer of Satan -- the Holy Spirit Himself -- can be "taken out of the way", so that the Devil, the Beast, and the False Prophet can take full control of this earth for 3 1/2 years. (2 Thess 2:6,7)

6. The Gospel will be preached even while the Antichrist is in control (Rev 11:3) and even during the Great Tribulation (Rev 14:6). So there will be Tribulation saints who will be martyred and then resurrected (Rev 20:4).

 

[shrume]

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Yet Paul was set to go and not deterred.

That's right. He was wrong. God tried to warn him numerous times not to go to Jerusalem.

He went anyway.

Well that makes it indisputable.

I believe Eph 4:11 is true.

Scripture does not change.

Prophesy sometimes does.

Please read this and explain how Isaiah's prophesy to Hezekiah did not change.

Isa 38:
1) In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.

2) Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD,

3) And said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.

4) Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,

5) Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

 

[shrume]

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1. Prophets were men who spoke the very words of God by Divine revelation (2 Pet 1:21).

There are also female prophets (cp Ex 15:10; Judg 4:4; 2 Kings 22:14; Luke 2:36, and a couple more.)

2. The apostles and prophets are now found in the Bible only, since the book of Revelation closed out genuine prophecies (Rev 22:18,19)

Rev 22:18-19 does not say that genuine prophesies ceased.

3. The Church is built upon the "foundation" of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone (Eph 2:20). This foundation is Scripture itself, and all that needed to be revealed has been revealed.

This does not mean there are no prophets in the Christian church today.

4. There are no contemporary prophets, although there are pastors, evangelists, and teachers to expound on what was revealed through the apostles and prophets (Eph 4:11). So you can take your pick as to what the Lord has called you to do.

I am not saying that LightShinesInTheDarkness is a prophetess, in fact I do not agree with several things she has said. But you're dead wrong in stating there are no more prophets (or apostles..).

5. As to the OP, yes we are in the midst of the great apostasy (or falling away from the truth) which was already prophesied, and the time is fast approaching for the Antichrist to be revealed. At the same time, there is no question that there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church before that happens. That is the only way that the Restrainer of Satan -- the Holy Spirit Himself -- can be "taken out of the way", so that the Devil, the Beast, and the False Prophet can take full control of this earth for 3 1/2 years. (2 Thess 2:6,7)

Generally agree.

6. The Gospel will be preached even while the Antichrist is in control (Rev 11:3) and even during the Great Tribulation (Rev 14:6). So there will be Tribulation saints who will be martyred and then resurrected (Rev 20:4).

Yep.

 

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

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1. Prophets were men who spoke the very words of God by Divine revelation (2 Pet 1:21).

2. The apostles and prophets are now found in the Bible only, since the book of Revelation closed out genuine prophecies (Rev 22:18,19)

3. The Church is built upon the "foundation" of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone (Eph 2:20). This foundation is Scripture itself, and all that needed to be revealed has been revealed.

4. There are no contemporary prophets, although there are pastors, evangelists, and teachers to expound on what was revealed through the apostles and prophets (Eph 4:11). So you can take your pick as to what the Lord has called you to do.

5. As to the OP, yes we are in the midst of the great apostasy (or falling away from the truth) which was already prophesied, and the time is fast approaching for the Antichrist to be revealed. At the same time, there is no question that there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church before that happens. That is the only way that the Restrainer of Satan -- the Holy Spirit Himself -- can be "taken out of the way", so that the Devil, the Beast, and the False Prophet can take full control of this earth for 3 1/2 years. (2 Thess 2:6,7)

The restrainer is NOT the Holy Spirit but the archangel Michael, and the rest of the holy angels with him. (See Daniel 12:1)

Christians will be on the earth for the tribulation, which is for the testing of the faith of the saints. Many will fall away, many will be martyred, a few will remain on the earth until the return of the Lord on the last day of the Tribulation. There is only one rapture, on the last day, when Christ returns. And every eye will see Him when He does.

6. The Gospel will be preached even while the Antichrist is in control (Rev 11:3) and even during the Great Tribulation (Rev 14:6). So there will be Tribulation saints who will be martyred and then resurrected (Rev 20:4).

Revelation 11 says nothing about those two prophets preaching the gospel, or of anyone receiving the gospel due to their prophesying.

 

[Adstar]

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is the OT the Old Testament?

Yes.. it is the old testament..

 

[tourist]

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The Lord has reiterated the soon-ness of the tribulation and the things I have mentioned through what He has led me to and explained to me from the Bible, speaking heart to Heart as a teacher speaks to a student or a man to his friend. He has given me insights in the night and at other times while I have communed with Him in my heart, sometimes with words, sometimes with wordless understanding (that's the best way I can describe it---communication of a thought without words, but still conveying it as clearly as though it were with words); and those revelations are accompanied by the Scriptures that support/explain them. The reiteration of these truths by the two means I mentioned, together with the observable prophesied apostasy of the saints at this time, which agrees with what is described in 2 Timothy 3, and the faith the Lord has given me to know it, are the reasons for my conviction and declaring that God is about to judge His disobedient people (1 Peter 4:17).

No one knows the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we DO know that it will be on the LAST day of the great tribulation, which will be approximately 3 1/2 years long ('shortened'/'cut in half' by God, for the sake of the elect---that's us---from the original 7 years mentioned in Daniel.) The tribulation will begin when the mark of the beast is implemented and the worship of his image instituted, and the judgments of God begin to be poured out on the unsaved. That is when we can start counting down to Christ's return, on the last day of the tribulation---if it is His will for us to remain on the earth until that day.

The wrath to which Christians are not appointed is the wrath of the lake of fire, and the wrath of the judgments God will be pouring out on the world during the tribulation, which will not affect the Christians who will also be on the earth at that time. Christians who choose not to remain in Christ during the tribulation and who take the mark, will fare the same as those who have never known Him. The testing of the tribulation is not God's wrath. It is the wrath of Satan, but not of God; and it is by God's purpose and His will that we will be tested by persecution during this time.

(None of what I have just said will make one bit of difference to the hard-hearted. They will only scoff, as they have been scoffing on this thread. But hopefully some will listen and take heed. I encourage other believers to research these things for themselves to know that they are true---with clean hands and a pure heart, and a good conscience toward God (no known sins), so that He may give them the understanding and confirmation they need about it.)

I generally agree with your estimation about the great tribulation.

 

[Adstar]

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My statement about those who do not recognize that they are in the midst of the apostasy of the last days likely being in a state of apostasy was referring to Christians (not unsaved people, who cannot be apostate).

And yes, Christianity has been apostatizing almost from the beginning (even during the apostle Paul's lifetime, and the apostle John's). The reason Roman Catholicism was able to take root and flourish is because the true Church was already in a state of apostasy---

People are either Christians or they are not Christians.. You cannot call people saved people when they are in apostasy.. If a person is in apostasy they are not saved... And again the true Church which is the body of Christ Cannot be in Apostasy.. You can say many had been deceived already and had fallen away to that when Constantine claimed his false vision he enticed them into deeper apostasy.. But you cannot say the true church was never deceived and was in apostasy..

just as the reason so many 'movements' and unscriptural doctrines and practices have taken root and flourished and continue to multiply and prosper in Christianity up to now is because of the apostasy of the Church, which has very little discernment...and divided hearts.

False doctrines do not flourish within true Christianity.. Once a group of Christians adopt a doctrine of demons they have left Christianity in spirit and no matter what Identifiers they have on their Church building or what they personally claim to be they are not Christians anymore..

I wish that it were true that true Christians can't forsake the Lord, but the truth is that we have free will to choose to remain in Him or not, by our actions, after coming to be in Him. This may be considered heresy by some, but it's the truth.

What actions ?

I believe people fall away primarily by the change in their beliefs from a position of believing the teachings of Jesus and no longer trusting 100% in the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ that secured their salvation.

No one can take us out of God's hand, but we have the choice to remain in Jesus or not.

Well i agree with that... But that is a choice to do primarily with a choice as to what one believes..

The Laodicean Christians were about to be vomited OUT of Christ. (One has to be in Him first in order to be vomited out of Him.) Jesus said that the branches that did not abide in Him would be broken off and thrown into the fire, which He would not have said if we had no choice but to abide in Him. Paul wrote that if God did not spare the natural branches (the Jews) that He wouldn't spare us (Christians) either. And there are other scriptures that speak about this of course.

Well i agree people can cease to believe Jesus and cease to trust 100% in the Atonement he secured for their salvation..

I'm not a teacher of doctrine, but I do know that this is true, and that most true Christians (awful and unbelievable as it may sound) will forfeit their salvation in the time of testing that we are about to enter, because most Christians are in a state of rebellion against God (not keeping His commands or doing His will; and they don't care and won't repent).

Once again a True Christian is a true Christian and cannot be both true and in a state of rebellion against God.. Once a person enters into rebellion against the Gospel of God they are already lost.... They have already ceased to be true Christians..

I don't believe Christians will take the mark because they are deceived into believing that the antichrist is God, as the unsaved will be, but because they will be scared, confused, angry, and desperate, when they aren't raptured before the tribulation as they expected to be--

I believe true Christians who are indwelled by Gods Holy Spirit, who embrace the teachings of Jesus and the Atonement He secured for them will be guarded from the final great deception ( i believe that will be the anti-christ claiming to be the returned Jesus and performing lying signs and wonders to fool the unsaved into believing it )

Those of us who love the Lord should be preparing for martyrdom right now, because we will most likely leave this world that way, although there will be some of us remaining to be raptured at the Lord's return on the last day.

Agreed..

 

[Nehemiah6]

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Revelation 11 says nothing about those two prophets preaching the gospel, or of anyone receiving the gospel due to their prophesying.

It does not have to. Since they are TWO WITNESSES FOR GOD AND CHRIST, can you imagine them not preaching the Gospel at that time? Just because the Bible does not state things explicitly does not mean that they are false.

What did Jesus tell His apostles when He said that they would be witnesses unto Him? Did He not tell them to preach the Gospel to every creature? And does not the flying angel in Revelation 14 preach the EVERLASTING GOSPEL. One would think that Christians -- of all people -- should be able to connect the dots.

 

[Nehemiah6]

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The restrainer is NOT the Holy Spirit but the archangel Michael, and the rest of the holy angels with him.

Here's another fallacy from a person who claims to be a prophet.

Was Michael the archangel able to even rebuke the Devil when contending over the body of Moses?

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. (Jude 9).

If he could not even do that, how could he possibly restrain the Devil? Yes, he is sent to war against the Devil and his angels, but unless God Himself restrains the Devil, no one can do so. Thus it is God or Christ who sends an angel with a chain to bind the Devil before the start of the Millennium. Angels and archangels do not take the initiative against Satan unless commanded by God.

 

[Adstar]

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there you're wrong! who told you God doesnt reveal Himself and gives prophesies to the people of this day? the book of Joel states that in the last days "old men will dream dreams and young men will see visions." which means seeing things that will fortell the things that are which to come to warn people. oh gosh, does anyone have any sort of comon sense?

Well said... But the great caution that all Christians must be warned about.. that in the end times lying signs and wonders false prophecies will be being done.. Part of the end times great deception.. So two people will be having dreams and one will be getting their dreams from God and the other from satan and both will declare their dream came from God.. Two people will see visions and again one will be seeing a vision from God and the next will be seeing a vision by demonic powers and both will claim their vision is from God..

So we come back to where real eternal security can be found... In accepting the true Gospel message which is called the Love of the truth in scripture.. That is where security is.. If we are in that position of belief and trust we shall be guarded by the Holy Spirit from all deception.. The following portion of scripture encapsulates all that i have been saying to you in this post::

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. {5} Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? {6} And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. {7} For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. {8} And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: {9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."


As for prophecy existing after John the baptist .. Paul encouraged people in His letter to desire then gift of prophecy.. If prophecy had ended with John then Paul would never have been encouraging people to desire the gift of prophecy..

1 Corinthians 14:KJV
1 "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy."

And in the Book of Revelation, John who lived long after the death of john the baptist delivered prophecy from God to his fellow saints.. Indeed the book is mostly to do with prophecy..

 

[Bladerunner]

Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

I've never eaten hard-tack to know what it truly is, but I made some bread before the yeast did its thing, and it was hard enough to break teeth. I kind of think that's what hard-tack was probably like. lol

Close?

I can do it again, if anyone needs a door stop.

Hard tack---lol,,,you need to test some of my wifes yeast rolls, you would change your mind.

Have a blessed one
Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

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Then neither Isaiah nor Jonah were prophets.

Why were Isaiah or Jonah NOT Prophets...Their Phophecies are still at 100%

 

[Willie-T]

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I've never eaten hard-tack to know what it truly is, but I made some bread before the yeast did its thing, and it was hard enough to break teeth. I kind of think that's what hard-tack was probably like. lol

Close?

I can do it again, if anyone needs a door stop.

That's the ol' Lynn I know. I guess I won't have a heart attack after all, she's gone back to the usual.