We will take over the world for Jesus to return?

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ComeLordJesus

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What's with these supposed new Apostles?

They claim ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

They say Jesus can’t return until these modern apostles and prophets bring all of the church under submission to them, and then ultimately—in things like the Seven Mountains Prophecy and others—ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and they really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

This isn't Biblical.
 

Hevosmies

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You are right it isnt biblical.

Its last days false fake signs and wonders, false apostles masquerading as apostles of Christ.
They are paving the way for the antichrist one world system these new fake apostles

Bible says things get worse and worse until Jesus returns, not better and better.
 

ComeLordJesus

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You are right it isnt biblical.

Its last days false fake signs and wonders, false apostles masquerading as apostles of Christ.
They are paving the way for the antichrist one world system these new fake apostles

Bible says things get worse and worse until Jesus returns, not better and better.
Bible says things get worse and worse until Jesus returns, not better and better.
Good point.
 

Adstar

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What's with these supposed new Apostles?

They claim ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

They say Jesus can’t return until these modern apostles and prophets bring all of the church under submission to them, and then ultimately—in things like the Seven Mountains Prophecy and others—ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and they really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

This isn't Biblical.
I have heard about this false doctrine before .. It is called Dominionism..
The Bible makes it clear in the Book of Revelation that Christians will not be establishing world domination before the return of the LORD Jesus Christ.. It will be the return of Jesus that will establish the rule of Jesus over the world..
 

JaumeJ

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What's with these supposed new Apostles?

They claim ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

They say Jesus can’t return until these modern apostles and prophets bring all of the church under submission to them, and then ultimately—in things like the Seven Mountains Prophecy and others—ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and they really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.
This isn't Biblical.

If such a movement were to take place and succeed in taking control of the world; it could only be the false church brought on by the Beast……...I say this because the Beast will control all political activity...….

Everything the "njew apostles" claim is completely against all the writings of the prophetsand Christ...……..

If they getcontrol it will be for the Beast.
 

Ahwatukee

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What's with these supposed new Apostles?

They claim ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

They say Jesus can’t return until these modern apostles and prophets bring all of the church under submission to them, and then ultimately—in things like the Seven Mountains Prophecy and others—ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and they really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

This isn't Biblical.
Hello ComeLordJesus,

Regarding "bringing the church under submission to them" there is no such scripture to support this. You're definitely correct in that the above is not supported by scripture. If what they were saying was true, then the book of Revelation with all of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments could not take place. Currently, the Holy Spirit is restraining the full force of sin and the man of sin from being revealed until his proper time. When the time comes for the church to be gathered, the restraining force of the Holy Spirit will be removed and the church with Him (See II Thess.2:5-6), then that man of lawlessness, the antichrist will be revealed.

By "Seven Mountains Prophecy," I am assuming that this is in reference to Rev.17 which states that the "seven heads are seven mountains upon which the woman sits." This obviously has to do with the woman who rides the beast and has nothing to do with the church, but with Mystery, Babylon the Great.

As far as these so-called apostles taking over the world, there is not going to be any Christianization of it in preparation for Christ's arrival. But once the church has been removed, then God's wrath will begin to be poured out, decimating the majority of the earths population and dismantling all human government. This group that you are speaking about sounds similar to those who believe in preterism, which believes that all end-time events have been fulfilled in the past and centers around the destruction of the temple and that the world will be Christianized before Christ's return. To them I would say, "how's that working so far?"
 

NayborBear

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What's with these supposed new Apostles?

They claim ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

They say Jesus can’t return until these modern apostles and prophets bring all of the church under submission to them, and then ultimately—in things like the Seven Mountains Prophecy and others—ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and they really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

This isn't Biblical.
Well?.....Then there's this:

Psalms 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Tis above my pay grade in the "knowing" all this verse imply's! Although, it seems apparent, it's not above someone elses! :p
 

Deade

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They claim ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

That is the stance the RCC Church took. Look what happened to that: 1. The Crusades, with thousands dead. 2. The takeover of Central and South America with the resulting near annihilation of the native Americans. 3. The forced servitude of Europeans and North Africans. 4. The Spanish Inquisition. Etc. and so-on. :(
 

Nehemiah6

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They claim ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.
This is simply more false teaching for the last days. These people believe in Dominion Theology, which has no basis in the New Testament. They are connected with the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) from which every Christian should run away. But if you look at this closely, it is simply the logical outcome of Amillennialism.

But the mandate of the Church is very clear -- preach the Gospel and disciple the converts (Matthew 28:18-20, and other related passages). Everything else must wait until the second coming of Christ.
 

Zmouth

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It might not be Biblical but that doesn't mean it isn't reality. The establishment of the Global throne or supreme authority has already occurred so those who don't know then it should be of little consequence from what quarter their master cometh from.

It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 2 Tim 2:11
 
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What's with these supposed new Apostles?

They claim ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

They say Jesus can’t return until these modern apostles and prophets bring all of the church under submission to them, and then ultimately—in things like the Seven Mountains Prophecy and others—ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and they really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

This isn't Biblical.
It is not Biblical for the Bible says the world will rebel against God, and then He will put the world down, and end this sin business on earth.

When Jesus returns He fights the world that rebelled against Him so the Christians are not going to change the world, but only change whoever will abide by the truth.

The Bible says the nations governments will come together and say Peace and safety and try to establish peace on earth, but Paul says the saints will not be deceived by that for they will know it is not of God.

So the world is going to eventually stop the preaching of the Gospel, and abide by the unified religious system based on the occult, and evolution, that will lead them to the beast kingdom, which is a kingdom that acknowledges no personal God, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior.

So the world is not going to be changed by the Christians to where they abide by Christianity, but the world is going to go against the Bible, favoring a false interpretation of it.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement that has a false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, evolution, and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, but not the final teacher, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and they believe he will cause them to evolve to be greater and spiritual.

When the nations come together it will be international law that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction, and to be a vegetarian, for the powers that be, that run the show, are of the occult, and want to establish the new age movement in the world as the only religion and all religions interpreted by them.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and the time will come that the world will only want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement.

The seven mountain mandate or the seven mountain prophecy is an anti-biblical and damaging movement that has gained a following in some churches. Those who follow the seven mountain mandate believe that, in order for Christ to return to earth, the church must take control of the seven major spheres of influence in society for the glory of Christ. Once the world has been made subject to the kingdom of God, Jesus will return and rule the world.

Here are the seven mountains, according to the seven mountain mandate:
1) Education
2) Religion
3) Family
4) Business
5) Government/Military
6) Arts/Entertainment
7) Media

The NAR and proponents of the seven mountain mandate have abandoned biblical teaching on the end times, choosing to believe that Christians must set the stage for Jesus’ second coming by achieving dominion over the world’s systems. According to 7-M theology, Jesus will only return to a world that mirrors the kingdom of God.

This idea parallels the New Age teaching that anticipates a cosmic spiritual shift when man becomes a co-redeemer of Planet Earth.

But they really want to produce the New Age Christ, and establish his kingdom on earth.

And they are setting up a kingdom for Lucifer for they believe he is a solar angel that descended from Venus years ago to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man, and in the future will help them to evolve to be greater and spiritual.

But they do not believe that he will help them until the nations come together as one and try to establish peace on earth, so they will try to cause that to happen so they can produce the New Age Christ, who will exalt himself above all that is called God or worshipped, and will not honor the God of his fathers, and will not regard any god, but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power.

So the New Age Christ will claim to be above Jesus, and will not say he is Jesus, although he will say the Christ conscience came upon him, and will come upon all who follow him.

Alice Bailey, the biggest prophet of the new age movement, who wrote many books, who died years ago, but they put up a website to promote her books, and teachings, and what the new age movement is about.

lucistrust.com., straight from the horses mouth, the esoteric meaning of Lucifer.

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

This appears to be a deception not to cause Jesus to come back, but to produce the New Age Christ who will claim that the Christ conscience came upon him, who will deceive the world by saying Jesus is not Lord and Savior, and not the final teacher in the evolutionary process, but he is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.

One thing leads to another as they think it will cause Jesus to come back to influence society to those who think it is really Jesus, but the new age movement want to get the ball rolling to produce the New Age Christ, and believe Jesus is a part of the teaching process of evolution, but not the final teacher, and to cause mainstream Christianity to believe they have to influence society to be prepared for Jesus' return, which they really want to produce the New Age Christ, for many will give over to that after enough influence has happened to them, and they want to get the world to harmonize to cause the return of the New Age Christ.

The Bible says that the time will come that they will only want to hear it according to the new age movement and one thing leads to another.
 

ComeLordJesus

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Well?.....Then there's this:

Psalms 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Tis above my pay grade in the "knowing" all this verse imply's! Although, it seems apparent, it's not above someone elses! :p
Psalm 110:1 shows that the Lord will accomplish it not the Church.
 

JaumeJ

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If all knew what Israel means, what Jew (Yahuda) means, if all understood we are all components of the Body of Christ, if only……..
 

glf1

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What's with these supposed new Apostles?

They claim ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

They say Jesus can’t return until these modern apostles and prophets bring all of the church under submission to them, and then ultimately—in things like the Seven Mountains Prophecy and others—ultimately they’re going to take control of all of society, and they really conquer the world for Jesus Christ, and then and only then can Jesus return.

This isn't Biblical.
If it were true; then the church of Philadelphia should be swapped with the church of the Laodiceans in Rev, chap 3. Also, verses like; "except there's a falling away, the end shall not come," and "the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and the doctrines of devils," and again, "in the last days lawlessness will abound because the love of many will wax cold;" would not have been written, but it was written and cannot be denied.
 

ComeLordJesus

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That is the stance the RCC Church took. Look what happened to that: 1. The Crusades, with thousands dead. 2. The takeover of Central and South America with the resulting near annihilation of the native Americans. 3. The forced servitude of Europeans and North Africans. 4. The Spanish Inquisition. Etc. and so-on. :(

Here is a good article on why the RCC believes they have to be in control of Jerusalem.

http://www.redmoonrising.com/chamish/vaticanagenda.htm
 

MichaelOwen

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I'm still under the impression that NO MAN knows the day nor the hour of Jesus return...but I agree, that is not biblical. We know there will be two witnesses in Jerusalem, but aside from that, no.
 

Zmouth

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I'm still under the impression that NO MAN knows the day nor the hour of Jesus return...but I agree, that is not biblical. We know there will be two witnesses in Jerusalem, but aside from that, no.
Well, you might consider your impression...

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 14:19

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14:23-24

As far as the day and hour that no man knoweth you might consider that it is referring unto heaven and earth passing away....

Matt 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

But then again, as written in John 8:47.

And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
Gen 9:12