What’s involved in doing God’s will unto salvation?

[eternally-gratefull]

Really? A bunch of good people left in the last 6 months?
Gee the only thing folks were arguing about at that time was that false doctrine we're not allowed to say much about anymore.

That's probably what done it.

That's what happens when false doctrine is allowed to be taught. Hope somebody learned something from that.

Yeah Yeah, thats right, Your so innocent..

ps. it is not the doctrine that got people banned, if that was true, we would have had a few people banned since then.

It is the FIGHTING and the attacks that got people banned. or will get them banned.

 

[PeterJens]

Again YOUR A LIAR. YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT TRUE, this is NOT what you are judged for.
How can you stand there or sit there and continue with this nonsense? It amazes me how people can be so out there, they continue to say things which are not true.

EG - you have some serious problems with truth. I do not know why you judge me, and you
have never been able to articulate it properly. I spent months asking you time and again
and you failed.

Let me put it simply. A bicycle has pedals. It is not a bicycle unless it has pedals.
You say a bicycle does not need pedals and is still a bicycle without pedals.

Now in this analogy, Jesus says if you do not have pedals you are not my disciple.

You say this is not true, and you are not a believer if you believe what Christ is saying.

Now you have your hyper legalistic excuse that it is Jesus who cycles us not we ourselves,
and we will always fall off so we must let Jesus do everything for us.

Now I do not mind you accepting we have different points of view and theology, but saying
I am sinning describing exactly what is happening and what I am doing is simply dishonest.

But I expect nothing less from you. At least you are consistent.
The problem is it is now gb9, G7 and you who are left. You are not going to get anywhere.

So my enemy, you say I am lying, tell me the lie, or as always it is you who are the liar.

And when I say always, this has proven the case of the past months, I am surprised you
manage to stay so consistently twisted.

 

[PeterJens]

I want to imagine something. I am in a church meeting, and someone is sharing their
testimony. Another member of the congregation part way through shouts out liar, and then
go quiet.

What would you think? Wait for the explanation. It does not come.
So the person has a mental disorder, and picks on people and just says this abuse as a
kind of intimidation, except it does not work.

Now this is EG. He is the one who over the months says stuff, and is totally wrong and
out of order. But in his mind, I am evil and inventing things. Bullies like this expect timid
believers to back off, or retaliate. It does not work if you absorb the punch and ask what
about.

So God bless you EG, may Jesus's love shine upon and give you grace so you can learn to
walk in His ways. May the road rise to meet you and you find energy everyday to bless those
around you.

 

[PeterJens]

Everytime I have interaction with EG it is like caustic sand paper.

The Lord has sent Him to rebuke me about something I have failed to spot.
Whatever you share in the Lord, there will always be enemies set on destroying
and slandering everything you care deeply about.

And to them no matter how good or blessed you are, you are still satan in their
eyes, and they would rather you dead than sharing.

I get that feeling with only a few sentences. Odd that. From others, a breadth
of fresh air, the glory of King, life and love and brings life to the soul.

By their fruit you shall know them.

 

[PeterJens]

You do not teach this. And you judge those who do.

why do you think people get so mad at you peter. You claim one thing, then contradict yourself. If you can not be honest and consistent with the things you say. WHat do you expect.

I just realised the spiritual blindness.

God accepts us as we are, but expects us to walk in righteousness.
The fool in his heart says, God does not see my sin, yesterday, today and tomorrow so I am safe.

Malachi 2:17
You have wearied the Lord with your words.
“How have we wearied him?” you ask.
By saying, “All who do evil are good in the eyes of the Lord, and he is pleased with them” or “Where is the God of justice?”

When Jesus says to the woman caught in adultery
"Go now and leave your life of sin." John 8:11

Jesus is not saying, do not mind, carry on as you are, you now know me and that is enough.
Your place in heaven is guaranteed.

So these people think Jesus has accepted them into the kingdom, end of story, he will do the
rest. If he had done this with the disciples they would have laughed him out of sight.

No he said things like, "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you cannot be my disciple"
"Unless you hate your family, you cannot be my disciple"
"You must deny yourself and carry the cross."

Paul said walk blamelessly, in purity and holiness.

Oddly these very words, from Christ and the apostles are denied through a convoluted
imputing righteousness while still sinning.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I just realised the spiritual blindness.

God accepts us as we are, but expects us to walk in righteousness.

in other words. God does not accept us as we are. But only if we meet his standard. by walking in righteousness.

I rest my case.

But you stil will not see it, and blame everyone else for your own mistake.

 

[notuptome]

in other words. God does not accept us as we are. But only if we meet his standard. by walking in righteousness.

I rest my case.

But you stil will not see it, and blame everyone else for your own mistake.

God receives us as we are but God changes us by imputing to us the perfect righteousness of His Son.

We must be made a new creation in Christ or we are dead to God through sin.

Romans 8:31 ¶ What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[PeterJens]

in other words. God does not accept us as we are. But only if we meet his standard. by walking in righteousness.
I rest my case.
But you stil will not see it, and blame everyone else for your own mistake.

I am sorry to point out your mistake. We are sinners because of what we have done, sin, we
are not sin itself. So when we are cleansed, purified and made whole, we do not have to sin again.
In your mind you stay a sinner even though you are forgiven.

You do not see the obvious disbelief in this. It is why Jesus said your sins are forgiven, and in one case said this

“See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.”
John 5:14

So though you think, "I have got him", you have nothing. And I have made no mistake.
I just do not understand how any believer could make these simple errors like you do.

 

[PeterJens]

I wonder at these people. This is so simple.

Jesus loves us as redeemed cleansed people commited to walk in His love and
righteously.

Their mistake is so simple. No one can be cleansed so never walk righteously,
only remain as they are, lost and slaves to sin. It is like the cross is mere
imagination, which creates a ghost overlay on their lives.

So doing evil is being good and God does not mind in their eyes.

Malachi 2:17, they stand condemned by the Lord.

Now this is not true if you can actually repent and walk in righteousness.
You cannot have it both ways.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am sorry to point out your mistake. We are sinners because of what we have done, sin, we
are not sin itself. So when we are cleansed, purified and made whole, we do not have to sin again.
In your mind you stay a sinner even though you are forgiven.

You do not see the obvious disbelief in this. It is why Jesus said your sins are forgiven, and in one case said this

“See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.”
John 5:14

So though you think, "I have got him", you have nothing. And I have made no mistake.
I just do not understand how any believer could make these simple errors like you do.

Your the one mistaken. I told you you wuld deny it, and blame me.

You claim God accepts us how we are. But your a liar. Because you then add. We MUST walk in righteousness.

You can not have it both ways my friend..

Either God accepts us as we are And HE CHANGES US so we wil walk in righteousnes

or God does not accept us until we change ourselves and walk in righteousness.

You can not have it both ways.

until you realise this, You will continue to contradict yourself

 

[PeterJens]

The whole language of God has always been, walk in my ways, walk righteously,
and when you fail, sacrifice for forgiveness of your sins.

And I will bless you in all ways in your life.

But now in Jesus these people believe God has changed, and failure and sin is ok
and impossible to avoid. This is a different faith and picture of God than Jesus
shows and the apostles preach.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Blessing a child of God. and saving a non child of God are not the same

That's your problem. Your trying to take promises given ONLY to children of God (sanctification). and making them pre requisites for becoming a child of God. (Legalism)

That's a false gospel. or works.

Again,

You said God accepts us how we are. You lied. Period.

 

[PeterJens]

God accepts us as we are And HE CHANGES US so we wil walk in righteousnes

Now if you believe these words then we agree.
God always changes us so we can recognise who Christ is. To understand righteousness
and then to walk in it is a work of God, but we still have to follow.

But the group you belong to have denied it is even possible to walk in righteousness.

My point is very simple. The point of the cross is to open the door to a righteous walk.
It is not possible to walk this walk without the Holy Spirit and communion with Christ.

I would add and a lot of work in our hearts, which is often confusing, but has taken place
in all the people of God. Gods promise and work has never failed, he foresaw it from eternity.

We tend to always measure Gods ways by our experience. Like Elijah saying he was alone
but God had saved 7,000 who were still faithful to the Lord.

I am constantly amazed at Gods work in peoples lives and the miracles he has brought people
through. He gives us so much, and as the charismatic movement has demonstrated the ability
to go off the rails, because with great opportunity comes great responsibility.

 

[PeterJens]

You said God accepts us how we are. You lied. Period.

EG - Do you know how disrespectful this language is?

The thief of the cross. Jesus accepted him and his faith in Christ.
The way you walk and the type of person you become is because of what you are and how
you sow into your life.

You have shown such inflexible thoughts, like to know you are cleansed is impossible and then
to walk acceptable is a lie. These are your ideas not Gods. The promise is you are forgiven
and cleansed. Why do you disbelieve this? Have you created such a prison of sin and
condemnation you are forever in a prison of your own making.

 

[PeterJens]

Blessing a child of God. and saving a non child of God are not the same
That's your problem. Your trying to take promises given ONLY to children of God (sanctification). and making them pre requisites for becoming a child of God. (Legalism)
That's a false gospel. or works.
Again,
You said God accepts us how we are. You lied. Period.

You are a briar of thorns. Your intention is to rip up and attack.
The testimony of most people is not an order of conviction, repentance, faith,
it is a mixture of all the realisation at once.

I feel for you, because your views are so uncaring and legalistic. This perception first,
that second, and this third, and if it is wrong, you need to start again.

We are always weak and unworthy, because it is Gods life that makes us whole and worthy.
We are always in need to seeing our limitations, because it is Gods infinite wisdom and presence
that gives us abilities we ourselves do not have.
So many things though forgiven, leave wounds and hurts we need to feel and work through to
be whole again. And this takes time, layers of life adjusted, recast, re-experienced, some
experienced for the first time.

Each walk is unique, with our own needs and lessons which fit us.
But I know this means nothing to you, because to you I know nothing.

God bless you, may you see the love and acceptance God is righteousness has for you
and that you are harder on yourself than He is, and the things you run most from He
wants to help you face.

The sad thing for me is you chose me as your enemy for no good reason, but a divide
of your own making, or maybe that is actually always there because of where you stand.

 

[gb9]

it is very simple as you said peter- it is simple. one is either perfect, which is God's standard, or you are not , so you need a savior. there is no in between .

 

[PeterJens]

Your the one mistaken. I told you you wuld deny it, and blame me.

I know your style. These assertive statements which are wrong, but bold.
The try and create a reality. I am mistaken ( about what ) you would deny it ( deny what )
blame me ( I am not blaming anyone )

I know where I stand, why and how. You stab away and end with nothing. You cannot
criticise peoples spiritual experiences, they are what they are. You can say there conclusions
are wrong and why legitimately but only if backed with scripture and theology.

You even include an option of ideas, which previously you have denied.
You say I have lied but have shown nothing. This destroys any integrity and respect
people might have for you. I unfortunately know you as an adversary, but a tame one
who simply cannot hit home, because you do not know what you are hitting.

There is a reason why people encourage me with doing the work of God and standing
as a witness. It is my heart and my desire to express my debt of love to Him for
saving me and transforming all that I am. He is the great Lord and each day opens up
yet more to my heart. I wish I could say the same for you, but it appears the opposite.

 

[followjesus]

.
Matthew 7 (NLT):
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.
22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name
and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ ”

Mark 9:47 -- entering the kingdom of Heaven/God is the opposite of being cast into hell.
Matthew 25:34-46 -- Inheriting the kingdom is for the righteous who gain eternal life.
So, the bottom line is: entering the kingdom of Heaven/God is like gaining eternal life.

People on Christian forums usually only see the Pentecostal part of the above.
But, this whole teaching is about DOING GOD’s WILL.
It stands against people who “practice lawlessness” (NKJV) -- who break God’s laws!
To do God’s will, one needs to be practicing righteousness, not lawlessness!
This is my favorite NT verse about practicing righteousness:
“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10, NKJV)

So, how about DOING GOD’s WILL … and stop breaking God’s laws!

“God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from sexual sin.
Then each of you will control his own body – and live in holiness and honor –
not in lustful passion like the pagans do who do not know God and his ways.
… God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives. Therefore, anyone
who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human teaching, but is
rejecting God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8, NLT)

“Patient endurance(*) is what you need now, so that you will continue to do
God’s will. Then you will receive all that he has promised.” (Hebrews 10:36, NLT)
(*) endurance in everything: belief-faith-trust-obedience

“And the world is passing away, and the lust of it;
but he who does the will of God abides forever.” (1 John 2:17, NKJV)

The amazing thing is … because the Scriptures are all inspired by God …
ALL commands and instructions given to believers are about doing the will of God.

Matthew 7 (NLT):
24 “Anyone who listens to my teaching and follows it is wise,
like a person who builds a house on solid rock.
25 Though the rain comes in torrents and the floodwaters rise and the winds
beat against that house, it won’t collapse because it is built on bedrock.
26 But anyone who hears my teaching and doesn’t obey it is foolish,
like a person who builds a house on sand.
27 When the rains and floods come and the winds beat against that house,
it will collapse with a might crash.”

As with all of God’s warnings, many people insist they must be referring to rewards.
But, these 4 verses are about LOSING SALVATION.
Yes, when a believer’s wonderful spiritual house of salvation
(attained through God’s incredible free gift of faith through grace)
collapses with a mighty crash, it is not referring to losing some great reward(s)!

Yes, if you are NOT following Jesus’ teaching, you are sinning.
If you are NOT sincerely repenting of your sins, they are NOT being washed away.
This is what all of the many dire warnings in the NT are all about …
sin results in eternal death.

So, be sure that your continuing sins are continuously being
confessed and covered over by Jesus’ precious blood (1 John 1:7-9).

Your sincere repentance will display that your heart attitude is correct and pleasing to God.

Gods will is that we Love one another as Jesus Loved us. when we stand before the Judgement seat of Christ its not going to be a theological debate, or were not going to say " its all the finished works of the cross" Jesus the very One who will return Gave a whole and very clear teaching about His return and how Judgement will be made.

matthew 25:31-46 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’40“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’45“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

THIS is what Jesus said will happen upon His return, this is a clear declaration of He who will be returning, and is the Judge upon the throne. His teachings are about How we actually treat one another, when we say" Love one another" were saying treat one another with Love, do the actions that are Love.

1 John 3:16-18 "This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth."


Being nice isnt Love, saying i love you isnt Love, Love is how we treat one another always Has been Gods will from the beginning.

if i steal from you, im not Loving you. if i lie to you im not acting in Love, if i cheat on my spouse im not Loving her, if i have another God before the true and only God, im not Loving God, if i testify falsely against my neighbor, im not Loving them...further more If i have Money in my pocket, and look away from the hoimeless man on the corner who is in great need...Im not Loving Him, if i live for my own Gain and comfort, im not Loving other people. Jesus teachings are how to Love Like Jesus. to say the Law is Love, means we are doing the commands and teachings of Jesus, because that is Godly Love, Judgement is based on How we treat others in response to what Jesus has done for us. He laid Himself down for us, we are taught to lay ourselves down for our fellow man. if my possessions are more to me than the needs of the poor im not Loving them, rather im serving Greed and am in need of repentance. People dont like this, but Jesus really is pretty clear and it is Jesus who will be returning and has told us ahead of time

 

[PeterJens]

it is very simple as you said peter- it is simple. one is either perfect, which is God's standard, or you are not , so you need a savior. there is no in between .

gb9 - I hate to use the words, inappropriate, but this is not a wise contribution.

We all admit we need Christ as our saviour, you deny it brings victory to your life,
I believe it does.

You want to create a picture I deny my need when this is my hearts breadth.

It does make me wonder who you think I am or why you believe so deeply I am evil
and just lying. I say this because the words I share consistently come with one message,
but it seems to be something you hate and deny is real.

It must be a great challenge to who you are to have to translate things this way, or else
you would have to change. But this is the power of God at work. Ofcourse it cannot be
the power of God in your eyes, because that would mean you are wrong and deceived.

Oh there is the problem. But the mind is very powerful and easily bent to create an
acceptable outcome. Without walking closely with my Lord, this would not be possible.
I can imagine how people in the past folded to your onslaughts. What judgement will
fall on you for hurting and leading astray the weak of the Lords chosen.

 

[jenniferand2]

in other words. God does not accept us as we are. But only if we meet his standard. by walking in righteousness.

I rest my case.

But you stil will not see it, and blame everyone else for your own mistake.

in the words of DR Phil the word but means forget what i said before the word but and now I will tell you how it really is after the word but example I love you but you make it difficult for me to love you which means forget the I love and just look at the you make it difficult for me to love you